Minuteman's Dry Orgasm Guide

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This has been happening to me when i try to MMO. I feel the cum coming but I can stop it before it comes out with a long kegel, feeling subsides but so does my erection - and the point is not losing the boner, right? So its a matter of timing, doing the kegel too late?

No it think it is more a matter of technique from what you have described, try doing some towel raises and I think you will get the feeling as HOW to hold the kegel (timing is more of a WHEN issue).

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No it think it is more a matter of technique from what you have described, try doing some towel raises and I think you will get the feeling as HOW to hold the kegel (timing is more of a WHEN issue).

Really, is there a "how" for the kegel to be effective? I thought i was because i had to identify the right moment and kegel before the cum actually started shooting up the tract. I will try the tower raises, but i kind of struggle with EQ, so that will be a bit difficult for me.

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Really, is there a "how" for the kegel to be effective? I thought i was because i had to identify the right moment and kegel before the cum actually started shooting up the tract. I will try the tower raises, but i kind of struggle with EQ, so that will be a bit difficult for me.

For a kegel hold to be a effective in preforming a DO there is a HOW.

You don't need to hold the towel for long duration, just to raise it. Fore example, you get a good solid erection while edging and then just raise a towel with your penis a few times, then as you lose erection bring your self up again and try it again. You will notice that the hold becomes more complete in the effort to raise the towel.

The timing is of essence and in this guide i described a way to get it down by using reverse kegels, but first focus on strength and technique.

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A little update thanks to WhiteNectar.

- Clarified further and updated the legend "increase" part for the pelvic floor routine and the increase part for the 0.1 sublevel of pfr.


The problem was that the increase description for 0.1 was form the earlier version of the PFR so I updated it, and also made the legend increase explanation more detailed

PELVIC FLOOR ROUTINE - "Levels and exercises"

Increase: Points out when it should be ok to increse amount of reps, or the times you are doing them per day. Once you reach optimal for that sub level you should always do it optimally. The usual progression in the level 0 for example is that you should increase the reps once per day by a fixed amount until you get to the maximum noted for that sublevel then instead of increasing it more you should start doing it two times per day. Now, it is up to you if you want to gradually increase the reps for the second time or just jumping straight to the max.

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0.1:
Increase: Start of with doing 10 of each during the first day you attempt this exercise, then if you feel comfortable you should increase it by five for the next day, therefore doing 15 of each exercise (meaning kegels, reverse kegels, root locks, reverse root locks). Increase to 20 of each for the next day if you feel comfortable. After that you should not increase them further but rather you should begin doing them two times per day instead of one. It is up to you if you want to go for 20 of each right away of gradually during the second time per day.

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Hey minuteman, amazing article
ive had this page open in my browser for the past couple days dreading reading this gargantuan piece of knowledge but just now i decided that its for the greater good.
ive been doing a kegel front and back and rk front and back routine for about 6 months now, i dont do any other pe.
for the past 3 or so months ive been doing a routine that consists of anal breathing or wave im not sure on the terminology
it is as follows:
every second day
10 seconds kegel hold then break for 10 seconds then a rk for 10 secs then rest for 10 seconds. i'll do that for 1 minute then rest for a minute for a total of 20 minutes
then ill do the exact same but doing my back kegels and back rk's

ive tried a DO in the past to no success but that was a couple months ago
im quite confident in my pf strength and conditioning. do you suggest that i start at level 3?

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Hey minuteman, amazing article
ive had this page open in my browser for the past couple days dreading reading this gargantuan piece of knowledge but just now i decided that its for the greater good.
ive been doing a kegel front and back and rk front and back routine for about 6 months now, i dont do any other pe.
for the past 3 or so months ive been doing a routine that consists of anal breathing or wave im not sure on the terminology
it is as follows:
every second day
10 seconds kegel hold then break for 10 seconds then a rk for 10 secs then rest for 10 seconds. i'll do that for 1 minute then rest for a minute for a total of 20 minutes
then ill do the exact same but doing my back kegels and back rk's

ive tried a DO in the past to no success but that was a couple months ago
im quite confident in my pf strength and conditioning. do you suggest that i start at level 3?

Honestly, no. I think everybody should start at level 0 and maybe advance faster if needed but doing the exercises (especially the level 0 ones) will help you determine just how balanced and strong your pelvic floor really is.

I noticed many people saying how they are sure that they have a very strong kegel, and most of the time (if not all the time) it ends up being false.

Not to mention that once of the level 3 exericses is holding a kegel for a minute. Also strength is just a peace of the puzzle you need technique and timing too.

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ok so lets say that im going really well breezing through it all
how much could i cut off the 20 weeks realistically

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ok so lets say that im going really well breezing through it all
how much could i cut off the 20 weeks realistically

Your body will tell you what exercises you will be able to breeze trough and which ones will give you trouble I really can't say. 20 weeks is actually an optimal schedule. However I can't guarantee that you will have optimal results from breezing trough.

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hey mate im really tired and my brains having a hard time deciphering some wording in your workout.
on the first day of every week of the program you have to do a "0.5" sub level workout
does this mean you do the original 0.5 on level 3 or does it mean something else?

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hey mate im really tired and my brains having a hard time deciphering some wording in your workout.
on the first day of every week of the program you have to do a "0.5" sub level workout
does this mean you do the original 0.5 on level 3 or does it mean something else?

No problem, english is not my first language so that is bound to happen.

It means that you should do the original 0.5 on level 3.

In other words for the duration of the pelvic floor exercise routine you will never stop doing the exercises that you did, as you progress trough the levels you will have to do all the previous exercises in the forms of .5. So for level 2 for example, on the first day of the week you should do the 0.5, on the second day of the week you should do 1.5 and then the next day proceed with the sub level for that week.

I hope I made it more understandable.

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okay got it thanks alot mate

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Trying to decipher:
So i've practicing ways to be able to MMO, and so far what I have been doing is alternating rks and kegels to control not reaching ponr too fast, and i've improved a bit on the ability to edge for longer periods of time (20-30 min) and controlling not to cum (i do start and stop a few times). At the end, usually I decide to go over ponr and hold a single strong kegel as soon as i feel i'm about to cum. what happens is that the cum seems to shoot up but gets blocked by the kegel, so i never really ejaculate, but don't have a full orgasm either. Today, once I held the cum back for the first time, I kept stroking my penis and was able to keep it hard and keep going (it did lose a bit of erection level at first); and then I went towards the second try, when i went past ponr, i held a strong kegel againbut kept stroking my dick while at it. Same thing happened, cum shot up, i held it back but only a single small drop of it came out. I did not have a full orgasm either, but this time my dick just acted if i had cum and began to get soft, to lose sensibility and just became unresponsive. From what i read, in the event of a MMO a person will feel a full orgasm and will be able to keep going, no loss of erection of all, right? So in my case, what happened? or what did i do wrong? Was that some kind of dry orgasm maybe or something else? Experienced MMOers, opinions welcome.

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Trying to decipher:
So i've practicing ways to be able to MMO, and so far what I have been doing is alternating rks and kegels to control not reaching ponr too fast, and i've improved a bit on the ability to edge for longer periods of time (20-30 min) and controlling not to cum (i do start and stop a few times). At the end, usually I decide to go over ponr and hold a single strong kegel as soon as i feel i'm about to cum. what happens is that the cum seems to shoot up but gets blocked by the kegel, so i never really ejaculate, but don't have a full orgasm either. Today, once I held the cum back for the first time, I kept stroking my penis and was able to keep it hard and keep going (it did lose a bit of erection level at first); and then I went towards the second try, when i went past ponr, i held a strong kegel againbut kept stroking my dick while at it. Same thing happened, cum shot up, i held it back but only a single small drop of it came out. I did not have a full orgasm either, but this time my dick just acted if i had cum and began to get soft, to lose sensibility and just became unresponsive. From what i read, in the event of a MMO a person will feel a full orgasm and will be able to keep going, no loss of erection of all, right? So in my case, what happened? or what did i do wrong? Was that some kind of dry orgasm maybe or something else? Experienced MMOers, opinions welcome.

Deciphering:

At the end, usually I decide to go over ponr and hold a single strong kegel as soon as i feel i'm about to cum. what happens is that the cum seems to shoot up but gets blocked by the kegel, so i never really ejaculate, but don't have a full orgasm either.

Retrograde ejaculation - standard failed DO attempt brought by lack of either strength, technique or timing or all of those, check the first post in this topic for more info.

Today, once I held the cum back for the first time, I kept stroking my penis and was able to keep it hard and keep going (it did lose a bit of erection level at first);

Either clean or perfect DO, it can happen to anyone regardless of the attributes (strength, technique, timing) but in order to reproduce it consistently you have to strengthen the pelvic floor, get your technique and timing down.

and then I went towards the second try, when i went past ponr, i held a strong kegel againbut kept stroking my dick while at it. Same thing happened, cum shot up, i held it back but only a single small drop of it came out. I did not have a full orgasm either, but this time my dick just acted if i had cum and began to get soft, to lose sensibility and just became unresponsive.

Partial DO (partial ejaculation) - a failed DO attempt that is not as severe as retrograde ejaculation, usually means that you are getting closer to preforming a clean DO. See the first post for more info.

what did i do wrong?

Did you read at least something in this guide? Or did just just went and post this without reading anything?

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I read the guide, I read Barbara Kesling's book - but I still find it hard to grasp and to put in practice. Timing is timing, i guess it is learned with trial and error. I'm just looking for advice on how to find the correct formula for myself because as you put it i'm certainly not doing things right.

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I read the guide, I read Barbara Kesling's book - but I still find it hard to grasp and to put in practice. Timing is timing, i guess it is learned with trial and error. I'm just looking for advice on how to find the correct formula for myself because as you put it i'm certainly not doing things right.

Yeah, a little trial and error is required when getting the timing down. But with stronger and balanced pelvic floor and a good technique (towel raises) helps allot since it allows some leeway when preforming DO. When you don't have the tecnique down and your pelvic floor is not conditioned enough the timing is much more strict.

In the same light, having a good timing, means that you don't have to have high-end pelivc floor condition, how ever in most if not all cases technique is crucial. Since no matter how precise or strong you are, if you are not doing it right you can have a clean DO consistently.