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    The “Average Overall Arousal” Theory (AOA)

    THE INTRO
    I have been doing a lot of thinking lately about how I came into my recent state of arousal normality. I believe the answer is surprising simple and possibly counter-intuitive for some people to imagine. Regardless, this worked for me and I am confident after some more research and help from the PEGym community we can formulate a way to remedy everyone’s Premature Ejaculation. This thread can be looked at as an extension of the Arousal Techniques, or a more precise explanation on how to follow through with the final step of the Arousal Techniques. It can also be looked at as the Anti-Arousal Techniques Program, as it is almost the exact opposite of the purpose of the Arousal Techniques program. Instead of techniques to counter arousal this theory takes the opposite approach. Regardless, following this theory gave me 80% of my results in 20% of the time I spent trying other methods to remedy Premature Ejaculation.

    I think most of us as a species were born with things in common, including arousal. We see a person we are attracted to and suddenly, when aroused things start to happen. Our heart rate goes up, focus lost, erection poised and ready. We then have sex for a certain length of time and end up ejaculating. No one can deny this.

    We all fall in a range of time in what would be considered normal. Be it 2 minutes to 10 minutes. Premature ejaculation is when this process is sped up, to a rate where sex becomes unenjoyable. This could be from before entry up until a few minutes. Bad habits form that creates this thing we can Premature Ejaculation. I believe good habits can also reverse Premature Ejaculation.

    P.S. Another thing to remember is that when talking about controlling arousal we have to get rid of the physical variable by assuming the man has a balanced pelvic floor. This way we know the man has a mental arousal problem and not a physical one. This theory assumes that you have the mental condition and that your pelvic floor is balanced already. However if you do have an imbalanced pelvic floor there is plenty of room for you to try this out and possibly get results or at least add information to disprove that this will work for you.



    THE THEORY
    Simply Put:
    "If you infrequently masturbate and reach ejaculate slowly to low arousal material overtime, then you will slow the mind's arousal response to stimulation"

    It is the general idea that:
    "If you frequently masturbate and reach ejaculation rapidly to high arousal material overtime, then you will quicken the mind's arousal response to stimulation."
    Cause: Frequently masturbating and reaching ejaculation rapidly to high arousal material overtime.
    Effect: Will quicken the mind's arousal response to stimulation.

    What I did in those last 4 months was the EXACT opposite:
    "If you infrequently masturbate and reach ejaculation slowly to low arousal material overtime, then you will slow the mind's arousal response to stimulation"
    Cause: Infrequently masturbate and reach ejaculation slowly to low arousal material overtime,
    Effect: Will slow the mind's arousal response to stimulation.


    A simple explanation for this theory is as follows: At any given time your average arousal response will be a range of stamina values. Someone with Pre-E has extremely high ranges, 100-70 and someone that is normal has a medium range, 60-40. Someone with Delayed Ejaculation would have a low range, 30-10 (DE may not work with this theory but I would like to still include it in case someone can make connections that this may work for that also). The main part of this theory is to understand that overtime, with less exposure in ALL areas of stimulation (edging, ejaculating, porn, imagination) you body's overall arousal response will decrease, bringing someone with Pre-E to normal within the normal range in about 4-6months.
    The one thing that this theory looks at differently is the "frequency" of arousal and stimulation.



    Like I said previously a person's Average Overall Arousal (AOA) will determine the stamina of the person. Let us assume for now a man starts at 50-AOA. After many weeks of masturbating quickly to porn he gets to 80-AOA. Then a few weeks later following the same bad habits the person ejaculates even faster at 100-AOA.
    To bring this down we currently suggest edging slowly without porn, but to do it often. Many people will edge at least once a day, but I know that even I would often edge more than once a day. This meant that every time we edge, regardless of ejaculating afterwards or not, our arousal goes up during that time, exposing our body to the sensation of arousal again.
    So funny thing, many people can edge indefinitely after a while, but still can't last in bed. This could be because in staying constantly exposed to arousal, our AOA never goes down, but rather stays high or maybe declines a little bit from not being exposed to extremely high arousing material.
    The AOA theory would explain all of this as far as I can tell. It is my only explanation for how my Pre-E suddenly went away and has no signs of coming back.




    MY RESULTS

    After 2 weeks of no porn and little to no edging or ejaculating, my body's arousal turned off. It was hard for me to get an erection or keep one. My body was trying to get me to watch porn again to "show myself" that I could get aroused if I watched highly arousing material. But months pass and my arousal never really got "better" again. I could go a week before needing to masturbate but when I needed to I could get it up and ejaculate. That was when I noticed, "Wow, I feel less aroused by everything, I almost feel weird not feeling aroused all of the time..." it wasn't that my arousal never got better, it actually stabilized. I hadn't had sex for those entire 4 months and every time I have had sex since then I have had incredible stamina, not to mention great EQ.
    It was during those 4 months of adopting this theory of “infrequency” to arousal that I got 80% of my results. The only 20% of my results were from steps 1-8 of the Arousal Techniques Program. The average arousal theory explains it, but it is only a theory for now.




    THE PROGRAM

    I need volunteers at different stages of their road to reversing Pre-E to follow this program and share their results.
    CASE 1.) Men who have Premature Ejaculation in bed and also when solo edging.
    You don’t really understand much about arousal.
    CASE 2.) Men who have control over their arousal when solo edging, but suffer from stamina in bed.
    You don’t really understand your arousal very much.
    CASE 3.) Men who have control over their arousal when solo edging, but suffer from stamina in bed.
    You understand your arousal enough to understand what happens to you when aroused.
    CASE 4.) Men with Delayed Ejaculation. The purpose for you would be to see if positive effects can be had from this program.

    The reason why I need guys from different steps in their progress is so that I can see where the AOA theory is most effective. It will answer these questions:
    1.) Can a man, regardless of knowledge about arousal and also having an imbalanced pelvic floor, regain his stamina without any other techniques?
    2.) Can a man who only suffers from premature ejaculation during sex but fixed his pelvic floor imbalance regain his stamina without any further techniques?
    3.) Can a man who suffers from premature ejaculation solo and during sex regain stamina without any further techniques?
    4.) Does a man have to understand his arousal completely in order for the AOA to work?


    For the next 4 to 6 months here is what you need to do:

    Start
    a small journal or log, recording your feelings and body over the next few months. I would recommend weekly or monthly entries. Your journals will be collected afterwards as evidence of progress and bring us one step closer to seeing if this will work.
    Stop any kegel or reverse kegel routine you are on.
    Stop watching, reading, or engaging in any sexual activity that involves raising your arousal. (Except for sex, if you must it is ok.)
    Stop worrying and stressing about Premature Ejaculation and other performance issues.
    Only Masturbate 1 or 2 times a week or less. DON'T worry about ejaculating, do it if you want to, but only once or twice a week.
    The less the better though.


    Ok so post here or PM me so I can know who is going to try this out. This outline is extremely easy to do! There is hardly any work involved for you to do! Let us keep this thread alive too, keep it active.
    There is much more revision to do on this. I have to start somewhere
    Drummer19
    Senior Member
    Last edited by Drummer19; 11-07-2012, 02:11 PM.
    Arousal Techniques-Techniques to overcome Pre-E.

  • #2
    Great post! I think I am currently going through the process of ''hard to get and/or maintain an erection without porn or other arousing material''.
    It feels strange to see how addicted my mind really is to porn and pictures of naked women etc. Here's to hoping I wil get over this stage soon!

    Once again, great post and seems like a solid theory!

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    • #3
      Drummer and message eachother a lot. We both cured ourselves of prem ejac at about the same time.
      We went about it in different ways but we do have a few things in common. We both realized that even though a lot of the things weekends and did here because of the pegym, it wasn't until we both pretty much completely stopped masturbating and edging and all other exercises that we started noticing a difference. the difference between us is that he stopped everything including real sex and I stopped everything a d started having constant sex. Bit we both stopped pleasuring ourselves when we started getting rid of our prem ejac. Yes, we both stopped watching a d masturbating to porn and also stopped masturbating and edging completely. He feels he lasts longer because of that and I feel I last longer because of that AND because I got slowly used to real sex too. We have both moved on since then. Things are different now. He had sex now without a problem and I have sex now without a problem. The difference is now I'm testing my "death grip theory" which seems to be getting rid of hypersensitivity and involuntary kegels/spasms and I'm even doing it while watching porn again, which hasn't affected me during sex yet.(knock on wood). But like I'm sure Drummer19 agrees.... you guys should all follow what pegym suggests at the beginning and keep it up. We nota starter on all that stuff and owe much credit to reverse kegels regular kegels, arousal control techniques, edging, no porn, jelqing, etc....
      Do all kinds of things guys.... find your own path too, but also listen to what we say cuz it has worked.
      For me personally it was very bars training with reverse kegels, no porn, edging/ballooning combo, jelqing, lube, no lube, Death grip and slowly getting used to the most intense sexual positions during real constant sex with a patient, caring sex partner. Infact, I still had prem ejac even after all the pegym exercises and techniques. It wasn't till I practiced with real sex when I found the total cure and my axiety went way down and my confidence went way up. BUT, the pegym techniques did work.... They are helpful and fundamental. It is your backbone. Good luck.
      Started MAY 2011 BPEL 5 and a 1/2 inches. EG 5 and a 1/2 inches.
      Now MAY 2012 BPEL 6 and a 1/2 inches. EG 5 and a 1/2 inches.
      I have cured myself of prem ejac, now I am working on a bigger shlong.

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      • #4
        *Drummer and I
        Started MAY 2011 BPEL 5 and a 1/2 inches. EG 5 and a 1/2 inches.
        Now MAY 2012 BPEL 6 and a 1/2 inches. EG 5 and a 1/2 inches.
        I have cured myself of prem ejac, now I am working on a bigger shlong.

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        • #5
          *for me it was very hard training with.....
          Started MAY 2011 BPEL 5 and a 1/2 inches. EG 5 and a 1/2 inches.
          Now MAY 2012 BPEL 6 and a 1/2 inches. EG 5 and a 1/2 inches.
          I have cured myself of prem ejac, now I am working on a bigger shlong.

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          • #6
            One of the reasons (there are more of course) people tend to mastrubate more quickly is to reach an orgasm that happens when you ejaculate, if you do it to many times what happens is that you start feeling less and less pleasure during the masturbation.

            But if you take it slow, as noted in your (Drummer) post, and infrequently then you are doing two things. First is that you are slowly re-introducing the fact that you can have pleasure and close to orgasmic feeling even if you are not ejaculating (which is at the beginning phases of fixing or reversing premature ejaculation very hard) and that it feels good to last longer. On the other hand the second thing that you are doing is that by edging infrequently you are breaking a pattern or a habit that you have formed. This is also why attacking premature ejaculation problem from several sources, and also edging in several positions and changing both intensity and grip helps you get out of the habit and your brain starts to disassociate bad stuff.

            It is interesting and informative for me how our views clash on the topic of the arousal. While you had a problem with over arousal (as most do I thing), my problem was that I have stopped feeling anything much during mastubation rather then the need to ejaculate (that is not arousal but a habit). I have became so disassociated with my arousal and pleasure, and to much into habit. In other words, while in the beginning porn aroused me, in time it made me dull and the only way I could feel pleasure is to ejaculate, in time even that stopped and I had times when I would masturbate, ejaculate and feel nothing. I came to this conclusion very recently, and feel it to be true in my case.

            I found my cure in, of course, quiting porn and habits that surround it, and learning to embrace my arousal, and rather than limiting it and controlling it I chose to enhance it and spread it all over my body not just the pelvic area, that helped me allot. Of course I still have no sex experience so I can't know how will this transfer to it. The problem with me it seems is that I have gone to far deep in premature ejaculation, while in the beginning over arousal probably might have been my problem, it devolved into a even more serious problem of me feeling less and less during masturbation.

            While this might seem that I don't accept your limiting/controlling your arousal theory, it really isn't so. In other words for those that arousal is something that causes them to ejaculate too fast, they should follow arousal techniques. For those like me, that notice that they feel to dull and too disconnected from the ejaculation and masturbation, they should try and enhance their arousal and get rid of their habits, then once they are more or less over it then thy should focus on the arousal techniques. It is like layers, for each layer of problems you add you should deal with it first.

            Of course getting too far with either isn't a good idea, limiting your arousal too much can make it dull, on the other hand feeling too much arousal isn't good either. I noticed that when ever a two or more conflicting theories or way of seeing things happens, the answer lies mostly in the middle way, in other words a combination of those theories etc. I respect the fact that Drummer is covering the (more frequent) angle that I cannot.

            I look forward to see how will this pan out.
            Minuteman
            Member of the Month March 2013.
            Last edited by Minuteman; 10-30-2012, 04:09 AM.
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            • #7
              Btw.... I believe i gave myself prem ejac by doing this:

              Mastirbating to porn everyday wirhout sex and a gf for a whole year with and without lube with a very light grip and touches while doing only regular kegels the whole time and NO reverse kegels while sitting in a hard chair(puts pressure on the prostate/ejaculation system).
              If you are some of these or all, i suggest you do the exact opposite of everything I mentioned above.
              I cured myself bu doing The exact opposite each of these things.
              Now get to it!!!!!!
              Started MAY 2011 BPEL 5 and a 1/2 inches. EG 5 and a 1/2 inches.
              Now MAY 2012 BPEL 6 and a 1/2 inches. EG 5 and a 1/2 inches.
              I have cured myself of prem ejac, now I am working on a bigger shlong.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Smu View Post
                Great post! I think I am currently going through the process of ''hard to get and/or maintain an erection without porn or other arousing material''.
                It feels strange to see how addicted my mind really is to porn and pictures of naked women etc. Here's to hoping I wil get over this stage soon!

                Once again, great post and seems like a solid theory!
                This phase lasted a while but it was worth it! Glad to hear from you and hope everything works out. What previous things have you done as far as trying to reverse your Pre-E?

                Originally posted by JamesMonroe View Post
                But like I'm sure Drummer19 agrees.... you guys should all follow what pegym suggests at the beginning and keep it up. We nota starter on all that stuff and owe much credit to reverse kegels regular kegels, arousal control techniques, edging, no porn, jelqing, etc....
                Do all kinds of things guys.... find your own path too, but also listen to what we say cuz it has worked.
                I definitely think we should follow all of the things I quoted from JamesMonroe! However, just to be sure and for the sake of proving the techniques found on this site are correct, I need a few volunteers to do this AOA program without the use of these techniques. (If that made any sense!) If the techniques are correct, then the volunteers should have NO progress in doing this program. However, if the person DID see progress then it would prove these techniques wrong. Regardless I think this is a necessary venture. It isn't that I want to prove these techniques wrong, I actually want to prove my theory wrong so that it can be more accurate down the road.

                Originally posted by Minuteman View Post
                While this might seem that I don't accept your limiting/controlling your arousal theory, it really isn't so. In other words for those that arousal is something that causes them to ejaculate too fast, they should follow arousal techniques. For those like me, that notice that they feel to dull and too disconnected from the ejaculation and masturbation, they should try and enhance their arousal and get rid of their habits, then once they are more or less over it then thy should focus on the arousal techniques. It is like layers, for each layer of problems you add you should deal with it first.

                Of course getting too far with either isn't a good idea, limiting your arousal too much can make it dull, on the other hand feeling too much arousal isn't good either. I noticed that when ever a two or more conflicting theories or way of seeing things happens, the answer lies mostly in the middle way, in other words a combination of those theories etc. I respect the fact that Drummer is covering the (more frequent) angle that I cannot.

                I look forward to see how will this pan out.
                If I had to guess on how this AOA theory will eventually come to (my best logical guess), I would say that members would need to do steps 1 through 6 of the arousal techniques program and then step 9 (the AOA part). This ending would be the mid-ground you speak of, and I think it is the likely answer. I do think the answer lies in these "layers", as in the arousal techniques. I want to make sure though, so as in I have said before, I need to prove the far ground wrong to prove the middle ground right. And who knows, this could end up unexpectedly!
                Arousal Techniques-Techniques to overcome Pre-E.

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                • #9
                  Sounds like classic "No PMO" program, right? With exception of sex (which is common for No PMOers anyway).

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                  • #10
                    Whats no PMO? Porn, masturbating, orgasm? I guess you could say that it is similar. But I haven't ever heard of this term before yet.
                    Arousal Techniques-Techniques to overcome Pre-E.

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                    • #11
                      Yes, PMO is porn/masturbation/orgasm. Porn addicts who developed ED frequently go through at least 90 days of No PMO to start seeing improvements, like the return of morning wood, being able to get it up with a women (instead of only to porn), etc. I've never heard that this may remedy Pre-E though.

                      So, training through edging and/or using a fleshlight have not worked for you? I'm curious because I suffer from Pre-E and have just started trying RK/edging/fleshlight.

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                      • #12
                        I did edging for well over a year and I did see results. I went from 2 thrusts to about 5min average. Although the sex wasn't that great because I had to go pretty slow. But you know what it was a major improvement! I could actually keep it in a little while. After PMO I went from that to perfect stamina at any speed I want.

                        I never tried the Fleshlight. I almost bought one at one point but never did. I am glad I didn't though.
                        Arousal Techniques-Techniques to overcome Pre-E.

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                        • #13
                          What previous things have you done as far as trying to reverse your Pre-E?
                          I have been edging, I have been practicing that for a few months now. At the beginning I would edge almost every day, but in the past couple of months I have edged once or twice a week. No masturbation besides edging sessions.

                          I also started using a firmer grip a while ago, not a death grip though, just firmer because all my life I have masturbated with a light grip.
                          I have also started ballooning my more sensitive spots (glans, frenulum, foreskin).

                          And these two last but definetely not least:
                          Neuro-linguistic programmin, which Byggd mentions in his program, I find this one very vital. Positive thinking!
                          and Meditation.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by JamesMonroe View Post
                            Btw.... I believe i gave myself prem ejac by doing this:

                            Mastirbating to porn everyday wirhout sex and a gf for a whole year with and without lube with a very light grip and touches while doing only regular kegels the whole time and NO reverse kegels while sitting in a hard chair(puts pressure on the prostate/ejaculation system).
                            If you are some of these or all, i suggest you do the exact opposite of everything I mentioned above.
                            I cured myself bu doing The exact opposite each of these things.
                            Now get to it!!!!!!
                            "while sitting in a hard chair(puts pressure on the prostate/ejaculation system"

                            does that cause any permanent damage? ive been doing that for years and perhaps thats why i've noticed the gradual decline in my sexual performance. fuck.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by lop123123 View Post
                              "while sitting in a hard chair(puts pressure on the prostate/ejaculation system"

                              does that cause any permanent damage? ive been doing that for years and perhaps thats why i've noticed the gradual decline in my sexual performance. fuck.
                              I doubt it's permanent. I cured my premium ejac. Just make sure you don't sit on your butt when u masturbate. Do it laying down flat or in your knees like doggy style.
                              Started MAY 2011 BPEL 5 and a 1/2 inches. EG 5 and a 1/2 inches.
                              Now MAY 2012 BPEL 6 and a 1/2 inches. EG 5 and a 1/2 inches.
                              I have cured myself of prem ejac, now I am working on a bigger shlong.

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