Edging For Premature Ejaculation

[hoochiNn Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close hoochiNn]

After a while without doing it, this morning I made my Edging's session. The truth is that it has gone better than I expected, has been gradual, lasting about ~25-30 minutes without ejaculating at the end but there are things to improve:

An inhuman number of IK (even trying to do a RK to relax the area, I have stopped my kegel/rk routine for a while and yet, my kegels weren't in a great shape)
If I stimulate directly the glans with my hand, inevitably I notice a maintained strong kegel. Should I avoid stimulating it until this improves? If I avoid the glans I also notice that I maintain a kegel, but not as intense. Can I do something during my Edging's session to improve in this area?

I also think that I should improve on keep my mind "blank". Its easy for me to go on that state of "trance" where I short my breath or I perform it at least, superficially. It is difficult to stay focused or rather "blank" for a while, when I realize, I been some time thinking about things of my day to day or anything else.

[ammonite Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ammonite]

Yeah, holding a kegel while edging has to stop. I take it you are doing a reverse kegel routine, and perhaps trying out the penis stretches?

For now, the only way to try and stop the kegel during edging is by trying the RK, and if you say this doesn't work, try going really slow and making a conscious effort to try and keep the muscles relaxed.

Try and eliminate the kegel from regular edging, then start working on the glans; working from the bottom up is the way to do edging remember.

Also, try and keep the muscles relaxed throughout the day, the more IKs you stop, the easier it will become to stop them.

[hoochiNn Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close hoochiNn]

Maybe this is something related, today at the morning, just when I woke up, I could feel all my muscles very relaxed, especially my legs.

During the rest of the day, I notice a lot of tension and involuntary contractions of the muscles. If I concentrate on relaxing them, can reduce these contractions, but I can not completly avoid them.


So here we go back to the usual question, does one must be 24/7 concentrated in his cure? I think that creates anxiety and is not healty at all but I would like to know that I'm doing things right.

[almightycrunch Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close almightycrunch]

Yeah, I know the feeling Hooch, I have found myself completely conscious of my pelvic floor all day long for the last 2-3 months, it is on my mind constantly, and I am constantly monitoring my muscles and responses while awake. This totally goes against the thought that you need to "put it out of your mind"

[ammonite Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ammonite]

No, don't become so focused on it that it becomes an obsession, as this has negative effects on the mental aspects of Pre e. However, making a check every hour or so to see if you are tense , or trying to stop IKs if you get a random boner is a good idea.

[DodgeDodge Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close DodgeDodge]

I have IK's at incredibly low arousal levels, even when completely flaccid I still get them. I can stop them with RK's up until about 4/10, after that they become too strong. Basically with each stroke comes an IK so if even at low rate of masturbation it merges into a single prolonged kegel, if I stop masturbating I can relax the muscle.

How should I proceed with an edging routine to get the best out of this?

[ItsPossible Member Find all posts View Profile Close ItsPossible]

Whats you routine/ action plan? What did you do before? How long? Daily? Give us some more information to help you and be patient with yourself and keep going! ItsPossible!

[Pegasus AdministratorPE Gym EditorPEGym Hero ☺ Admin of the Month Mar 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close Pegasus]

What is your out of sex kegel/ reverse kegel routine.

[DodgeDodge Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close DodgeDodge]

I haven't been doing a routine as such, I've been holding an RK whenever I think about it and feel like I can do that pretty succesfully. My RK's are much weaker than my normal Kegels, I'm trying to strengthen my abs at the moment as well to help combat this alongside doing RK's.

What do you think?

[ammonite Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ammonite]

I have IK's at incredibly low arousal levels, even when completely flaccid I still get them. I can stop them with RK's up until about 4/10, after that they become too strong. Basically with each stroke comes an IK so if even at low rate of masturbation it merges into a single prolonged kegel, if I stop masturbating I can relax the muscle.

How should I proceed with an edging routine to get the best out of this?

I presume this has arisen from bad masturbation habits; force kegelling to ograsm?

The most important thing here, like peg and IP said is to make improvements out of edging. Start up an routine. Include a high percentgae of reverse kegels to kegels, perhaps even go for a temporary reverse only routine. You may also want to start penis stretches as outlined here. Also, focus on what you can do - try and eliminate any ivoluntary kegels you get randomly during the day when you are not aroused, sort of like the reverse kegel holds you are doing but more focued, do them during movements that give you IKS.

As for edging, all you can do is go slow and try your best not to IK, but don't get frustrated if you can't. If you stick to a routine and keep practicing good edging techniques, you should start to notice that IKs become easier to control.

Check out the link in my signature and the stickies if you haven't already to see if theres anything else you could be doing.

[DodgeDodge Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close DodgeDodge]

Ok, thanks man. I feel like I have a long way to go but I'll keep at it

[element Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close element]

Great post ! I think I might be obligted to give it a try as there is so many advantages ! thank you !

[wannabecassa Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close wannabecassa]

Brilliant post Ammonite. Good thought process went into this, I can see.

[ammonite Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ammonite]

This post concerns the effects of pornography, specifically hardcore videos, on plateau edging. It's going to be a long post, but if you are serious about starting plateau edging, I would strongly advise you read all of it carefully.

When I first discovered my plateau around 4 months or so ago, I was total amazed by it. It felt really good, yet I was still able to have great control over it. It was totally unlike anything I'd experienced before. For about a month after discovering plateau, I edged in the same way I achieved it, and it became easier for me to get into, and easier for me to stay in.

Then, I thought to myself that, with this new found control, I might be able to be able to last while watching porn. So I put some on, and yes I managed to have an enjoyable, long lasting session. Got to be good news right? In the month or so that followed, I edged several more times to porn, and it generally went well. However, I did notice that when I tried to edge without porn, I had difficulty getting into my plateau. I put this down to the fact that I'd become too advanced and now needed more stimulaltion.

However, in the following weeks of mainly edging a few times each week to porn, I began to notice that it was becoming increasingly difficult to get into plateau, and that I was having trouble controlling it when I finally got there. 3 months after discovering plateau, I was effectively back to where I started; edging away with no feelings followed by a sudden rush of feelings that lead to orgasm. I became frustrated and put this down to something I was doing wrong with my routines or training.

Now just recently, I have tried to make 2014 porn free. I haven't changed my routine in any way. I have been edging using only imagination and occasionally erotic fiction. I feel much better as a person. But, more importantly to this topic, I can now hit my plateau easily again, though the control isn't quite what it used to be yet, early days though. Clearly, it was porn all along that caused my situation. I can't believe how long it took me to realise this.

In terms of the graph in the initial post, pornogrpahy does two things that are detrimental to plateau edging:

1. Pornography over stimulates your brain, this is well known. If we are to link this to the graph, it means that because you are used to high arosual, it becomes harder to get aroused in normal situations. Therefore, you are stuck at the very start of the graph, in the excitement phase. This is what made it difficult for me to get into the plateau, since I just wasn't aroused enough due to the over arousal from porn. This is the main problem, mild cases can stop you getting into the plateau, in extreme cases, this would presumably cause ED.

2. Because you are over stimulated, you are more aroused and so it is difficult to stay in control, this is why I had difficulty lasting. In theory, for someone who has worked their way up the edgin progression ladder, such as myself, this shouldn't be a problem since you should be ready to deal with the high arousal. This was true, as when I first started I had great control- I was prepared. However, because I found it hard to get into the plateau phase, I was rushing a bit, possibly the worst thing you can ever do in edging, and this is what caused the problems. For someone who hasn't worked up the progression, safe to say this would be disastrous.

To conclude from this, watching porn is devastating to plateau edging. Not only does it make the sessions when you watch porn a lot harder, but worse still it can stop you getting into the plateau phase in your normal sessions. For a beginner, I would say IT IS ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL TO STAY AWAY FROM PORN if you want to get into your plateau.

For those more advanced, the situation is more tricky. It is suggested that porn could be a valuable training aid. When I initially started watching it, I had no problems and the sessions were undoubtedly more enjoyable. It is possible therefore that if you watch porn in very limited amounts, say once or twice a month, you may be able to get the benefits of training at higher arousal while avoiding destroying your plateau. However, it may be possible that even this may be damaging in the long term. For now, I am going to do my absolute best to stay away from porn, but if you think you can handle it, this is your decision to make. I would personally say once per fortnight maximum, though other people may respond differently to me, so I cannot give a definite amount.

Once again, thanks for the feedback, and if you have any questions or difficulties feel free to post them here - your experiences may well help others in similar situations.

[Tino07 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Tino07]

Hi ammonite

I have to agree with your thoughts on no porn. I believe that my PE has been brought on by porn as I have only had the problem since I started watching it. I have also started 2014 with the plan not to watch porn again and must say I really don't miss it. I read a book by Helen singer Kaplan called how to overcome premature ejaculation and she goes on about how men with PE have not learnt or forgotten how to stay within the plateau stage of stimulation. Like yourself she also goes along the lines of slowly getting used to being in the plateau stage, Although she mainly has routines with couples.

What I'm getting at is that you have high lighted for me one of the main things that are needed to overcome PE. I believe that many of my improvements are when I have have stopped watching porn and practiced staying in the plateau stage. I just mess it all up by going back to watching porn. I am now determined to stay porn free and am really starting to be able to control myself more. However I feel my front Kegel mussel is really tight, also when I loose control it spasms 4-5 times and then I'm past the point of no return. Does anyone else feel this or could give me some guidance. I've started the stretching exercises undertaking them once a day.

One more thing do you edge daily as I edge every 2-3 days using flash light with mixed results. Some days are good some are bad but on the whole getting better)

Hope i kind of make sense.