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  • MONTGOMERY'S LOG beginning 11/29/14 - MinuteMan, LLN, JamesMon-- Everyone Chime in!

    What’s Up Guys,


    Monty here. I’m here mostly to put it on record that I WILL NOT stop solving this issue until I drop DEAD. I am using this site as a confessional and spilling it all because I know once it’s fully out there I MUST do everything I possibly can about it. I, like many members on here, want to be the guy 6 months, 1 year, 2 years from now instructing people on what to do in their situation. It’s giving back to an issue that’s underdiagnosed, misunderstood, and about as frustrating as they come…cum. I had to. Comedy is sometimes life's lubrication. One thing that constantly keeps me enthusiastic and dogged is, “Imagine the day you’re on the other side of this. Sex will MEAN more to me. WOMEN will mean more. LIFE will mean more.” Because of the hole I climbed out of. So, here’s to a lifetime of being a champion.


    I have been a 10+ obsesser over Premature Ejaculation. I remember my ex-girlfriend first giving me a hand-job and pretty much as soon as she touched my penis I came. We just sat there and watched the rest of “10 Things I Hate about You” and it was never discussed. I have pretty much been obsessively reading articles, kegeling, edging, browsing the web, creams, SSRIs, blah blah. It wasn’t until this past year that I’ve really gotten serious about DOING something about it. And doing it CONSISTENTLY. And by doing, I mean doing the WORK.


    The closest I ever came to finishing something was a guy named Deon Black’s 47 Premature Ejaculation Cure. I finished the program and I got to say – it didn’t work. I was so pumped to finish it, it just didn’t work. I still felt sensitive, I still felt Involuntary Kegels. And I felt no control.


    I grew up Catholic and would use every opportunity to masturbate really fast. “I’m going to the store be back in 3 minutes” my mom would ssay. Got to get one in! I started to get creative. Banana peels, humping pillows, the bed, watching lovely scrambled porn or that one scene in Titanic. I even got into the habit of renting art books from the local library with pictures of nude women for the purpose of sketching the human body and would jerk it to that. I would put my penis by the jets in my family pool (right on the sweet spot on the underside of my glans) and cum in the pool. All these experiences were 3 stages Horny – Erect – Cum. There was no enjoyment in the process, just in the finishing of it.


    Most of my sexual experiences have been versions of this coming fast scenario. Sometimes I could last with handjobs and blowjobs, sometimes I couldn’t. Usually this happened when I got a little bit more used to or comfortable with the girl I was with. But I almost always (with the exception of being REALLY hungover a few times) couldn’t last during sex. I am a very perfectionistic person and am horny and desirous – it’ s strange when you have a scenario where it feels like your body has been pitted against you. All systems are a go – but so much so that it goes too fast.


    -- I COME TO THIS FORUM HAVING MESSED AROUND WITH A GIRL LAST NIGHT. I was fingering her and my dick was THROBBING. I could feel it in my jeans IKing like a motherfucker. While I fingered her, I figured I would go into my pants and play with myself “priming” my dick for her hand to touch it so it wasn’t so foreign. I was so INSANELY sensitive. And I can’t even call it “turned on” because I didn’t “feel positive”. I felt horny and upset because I knew what would happen. So, I started playing with myself and her at the same time. NEEDLESS TO say, I decided I’d try to make myself cum in my pants so that by the time she would touch me I wouldn’t be so sensitive. I came in my pants but couldn’t get it back up and the situation pretty much fizzled out from there. This is NOT the first time something like this has happened and I’m absolutely positively utterly fucking sick of it. I’m willing to put in the work I just need a little guidance and support because the battle with this condition can become very hidden and very lonely.


    I am a 27 year old male, in shape, pretty damn good diet, and plenty of women are interested in me. But I can tell they get “off-put” because they can feel that I get apprehensive in sexual situations. Some women have even called me “gay” behind my back because of my avoidance of these situations.


    Here is my plan of attack moving forward:


    Kegels – Reverse ONLY (for now). I can feel those strong IKs happening in my pants and I want to STOP THEM. 30-50 reps 2 or 3 times per day.


    Penis Stretching – This seemed to work for me before. When I was doing this I had a girl give me head (about a year ago) and I lasted 8 to 10 min. This seems to reduce IKs.


    Edging – 3 Day Routine. Also, combined with plateau edging with ballooning. When sensitivity goes down I will introduce the Fleshlight STU which I have had for the past 3 years but don't use that much because i cum fast EVEN IN THAT. I also may incorporate JamesMonroe's technique every third time because I need some desensitization. I have used "Promescent" in the past and it worked. My penis was a little numb but I was so turned on by the situation that it was all GREAT. I want to get there without having to use dick-cream and ruining the moment by running to the restroom to spray my cock, then running back 10 minutes later to rub it off, all the while coming up with lies as to why I'm doing all of this. That's not very sexy.


    My Question to Last Longer Noob and MinuteMan and anyone else who wants to chime in is…should I be working toward DO and MMO now? Or should I wait until I get my sex up to 7-10 minutes THEN work on that? I know that sometimes they say too strong Kegels will cause PremE. My question is: should I work to better stop my ejaculations in their tracks with HARD KEGELS. Or should I work on prolonging my ejaculation time. It seems to me that doing both of these simultaneously Is impossible? Because all of the strong Kegeling involved in DO and MMO would hinder progress in building up stamina for PremE. Anyone have a comment on this?


    I have noticed that I can only maintain a nice erection (meaning "round 2") after I cum if I am stimulated for awhile. Like, last night I prematurely came and my dick went down RIGHT AWAY. And I didn’t get hard again until I left that girls apartment and came home. Something tells me the psychological aspect of embarrassment doesn’t allow me to get hard again. I know that a lot of this stuff has to be learned in action (meaning with a girl) but if I’m too embarrassed to go there I’ll never get to train myself.


    Do you think arousal control is important for someone in my situation?


    Any other suggestions?


    I am so grateful a place like this exists. I look forward to beating this thing with everyone’s help!

  • #2
    Hi man, firstly i'll just say pre e is something that can not just be beaten, but completely reversed and turned into control desired by any man.
    Look at the following threads, read through them carefully, take your time, theres no rush.
    https://www.pegym.com/forums/prematu...r-balance.html
    Basically outlines what a balanced pelvic floor should be and feel like and what to do in order to obtain it.

    https://www.pegym.com/forums/prematu...echniques.html
    A guide on how to learn to cope with high or over-arousal, and in turn control it.

    https://www.pegym.com/forums/prematu...se-kegels.html


    http://www.pegym.com/forums/prematur...-thats-me.html
    These two will give you what you need to start working on the reverse kegel.

    http://www.pegym.com/forums/prematur...ep-squats.html
    Squats are'nt just great for the pelvic floor but for overall strength. Incorporating these into your routine will have major benefits.

    http://www.pegym.com/forums/prematur...loor-yoga.html
    Being a yoga master isn't neccessary to becoming a sex master, but will it help? You can bet your weirdly contorted, extremely flexible ass it will.

    http://www.pegym.com/forums/beginner...ing-101-a.html
    This may be the key to beating most peoples pre e.

    Read through, find what pertains to you, and post back with any questions.
    That frustration you have, that anger. I had it. Embrace it, use it, JOIN THE DARK SIDE.
    Good luck and happy fapping motherfapper.
    A Game of Bones. A Stretch With Rice And Fire.

    Start1/04/15:BPEL:7.1 MEG:5.2 -1/07/15:BPEL:7.2 MEG:5.4

    Edging For Premature Ejaculation./
    Pelvic Floor Balance./
    Minute Man'snKegel Master List./ Reverse Kegels./
    JP90 Routine./ Conditioning Your Wang.

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    • #3
      I think that coming here is a good start and that you should focus on edging for now until you can hit the 20 minute mark. This might sound impossible but that doesn't mean you have to be edging continually during the 20 minutes. Go as slow as you can if needed be so that you can hit that 20 minute mark while being erect during all that time, that is your only goal for now, whether you want to use porn or not is up to you but you need to reach that 20 minute mark.

      This might sound pointless but it is not, it is used for convincing you that you can last that long, and rewiring the body so that it stops looking at sexual activity as something that should be done fast.

      On the subject of DO. I think right now you have a lot of things to do so maybe you should tackle techiques one by one at least in the beginning and edging is a best place to start.
      premE FAQ

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      • #4
        Great!

        The approach I've chosen is to combine:

        1) The 3 Day Routine

        2) Plateau Edging (While doing 3 day Routine)

        3) Mixed with chajadan's Escalation Trigger Blog Routine.

        4) I will combine 30 2x per day Rev KEgs plus wall squats 3 or 4 days per week. I will do these although they will not be my focus. I spent too much time focusing on kegels/rev kegels and not enough time edging.

        I noticed the last time I fooled with a girl I felt Front Kegels happening in my jeans. I think the "Escalation Trigger" blog along with Plateau Edging is really what I need right now. I'm going to use both of these techniques with the 3 day format. I think this is my best way to ultimate success. I've been trained Arounsal-Erection-Cum. I need to change to Arounsal-Enjoyment-Erection-Enjoyment-Plateau-Cum.

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        • #5
          1 Week Update:

          -- My Main Goal with this program is going to be PLATEAU EDGING. Reps to Ammonite on this one. I know that I've just started this particular training, but I did a 40+ minute edging session today. What I realized was that your psychology changes when you do longer sessions. Your body becomes more forgiving. I did not IK once. I started out gradually, getting about 70% erect before touching myself. I then started doing it dry first (much like an actual sexual encounter might be) employing some of James Monroe's techniques of rubbing quite hard and death-gripping a little bit. Then I started to use lube, slowly. Slow motions avoiding the IK and Avoiding the PONR. What I realized was that once my brain adjusted to the idea that this was going to be going for awhile I movement that might've caused an IK before did NOT after 20+ minutes of stroking. The positive mindset also makes you enjoy the session more as well as be more observant of what exactly is happening with your body.

          I noticed that I freeze up sometimes. Like my body will stop. But, I made a conscious effort to kind of "move" a little bit the whole time. Almost had a little rhythm the whole time, this helped me tremendously. When I pause, I feel like it's my body "bracing" for something bad to happen like IK. Then, sure enough, self fulfilling prophecy-- IT HAPPENS. So, the movement was good.

          Another amazing thing I noticed was that my erection lasted for 8 minutes after I came (I am doing the 3 day Routine and this was the 3rd time.) I didn't even stimulate myself at all. It's almost as if my body was rewarding me and the positive situation kept me hard. When I came messing around with that girl last week, my erection completely went down and the only thing I wanted to do was RUN and HIDE. This is yet more evidence of how psychological this all is.

          But, before I get ahead of myself, I'm going to bring it back down. The only way these positive results are going to keep coming is by IMPROVING my training. I'm going to continue to do Plateau Edging with the 3 Day Routine Format.

          I have been doing Reverse Kegels but not making them my primary focus (I made this mistake before. "Well, I didn't edge but at least I did some Reverse Kegels." It doesn't work that way.) I also have been doing Penis Stretches which I think have helped with the IK Situation, especially during this sessions. I do 30 seconds each direction, the first 2.5 minutes holding my dick at the glans and the last 2.5 minutes holding it at the base. Then I do some helicopter spins and generally pulling for a few extra minutes. It just gives your "dick" some activity which will aid in the IK department.

          Will continue to post...

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          • #6
            Just be careful with the 3day routine, avoid doing it back to back, let at least one full day pass between the 3day routines and also be sure to include regular edging and ejaculation in one session so that you don't get used too much to the 2day not ejaculation, then ejaculation on the third. It is also not a good idea for the prostate to go with 3day routines all the time because of the accumulation of the precum etc.

            Here is a schedule suggestion for two weeks:

            3d1 = 3day routine day 1
            e = regular edging session with ejaculation (20-45 minutes)
            x = break

            MON | TUE | WED | THUR | FRI | SAT | SUN
            -3d1- |-3d2-|- 3d3--|----x-----| 3d1| 3d2 | 3d3
            --x---- |---e---|---x----|----e-----|--x-- |--e-- |-- x --


            This will allow you to benefit from 3day routine but also keep the healthy ejaculation cycle so that your hormone levels and your prostate don't suffer. Ejaculation itself is beneficial for hormonal balance and a good way to relax your body, with good orgasms it will also be an excellent way to raise confidence etc.
            Minuteman
            Member of the Month March 2013.
            Last edited by Minuteman; 12-06-2014, 04:02 AM.
            premE FAQ

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            • #7
              Little update. I will be trying to do them every week. This week I have been working every day so my sessions were not as good.

              ONE GOOD THING IS I 100% found the spot that causes IKs. It's on the underside of my head but very high up. The WHOLE AREA is sensitive (about an inch's worth underneath) basically from the line (I am cut) all the way to the top. What I've realized is that while underneath is my MOST sensitive part, the top of my head is sensitive as well just not as much so. I don't think any ONE spot is responsible for IKs, I think it's a combination of pressure on both sides.

              Should I make ballooning a priority in this case? What would be the rough recommended time? 20 minutes to star? Or just mix ballooning in with my edging? Also, I've heard jelquing helps with BAD sensitivity reduction. My penis has BAD sensitivity right now. And I do believe there is GOOD sensitivity.

              Also, I've noticed that IKs increase when you don't ejaculate and when you don't edge as much as you should. Because your brain is in "I want to fix this" mode, when you don't do it, I really feel like sensitivity and IKs do go up. Whether or not that's psychologoical the fact is that it's happening. I've been a little lax on training this week, but once next week starts my schedule is going to slow WAY DOWN. Will get back on board.

              Let me know what you think about Ballooning and Jelquing?

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              • #8
                I enjoy following this thread.

                Try not to label anything as good or bad, just being aware of what is most stimulating will help you enjoy it from a place of control.

                Also, I would incorporate the fleshlight into your edging.

                If you're edging for 20 minutes use the FL for 1 minute. Then the next time 2 minutes, etc.

                This will slowly get you used to this type of stimulation and make hand edging a lot easier to control.

                For me it was also anxiety reducing. I used to not use my FL bc I was afraid, I knew I may not have control so I avoided it instead of slowly introducing it and building up slowly to longer sessions.

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                • #9
                  Mix ballooning and edging, if you edge for 25 mins, 10-15 if those should be ballooning, doesn't have to be consecutive just slow down ( even stop for a min ) when it's too much then continue.
                  A Game of Bones. A Stretch With Rice And Fire.

                  Start1/04/15:BPEL:7.1 MEG:5.2 -1/07/15:BPEL:7.2 MEG:5.4

                  Edging For Premature Ejaculation./
                  Pelvic Floor Balance./
                  Minute Man'snKegel Master List./ Reverse Kegels./
                  JP90 Routine./ Conditioning Your Wang.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by dobby View Post
                    I enjoy following this thread.

                    Try not to label anything as good or bad, just being aware of what is most stimulating will help you enjoy it from a place of control.

                    Also, I would incorporate the fleshlight into your edging.

                    If you're edging for 20 minutes use the FL for 1 minute. Then the next time 2 minutes, etc.

                    This will slowly get you used to this type of stimulation and make hand edging a lot easier to control.

                    For me it was also anxiety reducing. I used to not use my FL bc I was afraid, I knew I may not have control so I avoided it instead of slowly introducing it and building up slowly to longer sessions.
                    Dobby,

                    You're 100% right about the FL. I have had one for years. I have used it with some success yhouand then with NO success. When I was doing "well" with it I'd be afraid to go back to it because I would think "well, I don't want THIS TIME to not work." But that's the nature of the sexual experience. Even the biggest of studs have off days. I feel like a dogged effort and continually forcing yourself to grow will take care of some of the mental anxiety. But I like the starting with 1 minute idea, I'm going to do that starting with tomorrow's session!

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                    • #11
                      Good stuff monty, happy fapping.
                      A Game of Bones. A Stretch With Rice And Fire.

                      Start1/04/15:BPEL:7.1 MEG:5.2 -1/07/15:BPEL:7.2 MEG:5.4

                      Edging For Premature Ejaculation./
                      Pelvic Floor Balance./
                      Minute Man'snKegel Master List./ Reverse Kegels./
                      JP90 Routine./ Conditioning Your Wang.

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                      • #12
                        Little UPDATE. But I also think a very important one.

                        I just went to visit family for Christmas for 5 days. Little kids running around, parents everywhere, festivities. I didn't do much of anything over the break. In fact, I did NOTHING. This condition is not conducive to doing nothing. It needs constant attention. A few days here and there are fine.

                        My IKs had really calmed down but sure enough after a week or so they're back. I noticed them on the bus ride home when we'd hit a nice bump!

                        Lesson here: stick to practicing. Now that I'm back home I can start again. Again, with stretching, tennis ball stretch, some RKs, and MOST IMPORTANTLY Edging (with Ballooning). Penis Sensitivity, in my opinion, is what causes IKs, I feel that high tingliness in my penis right before the IK comes. So, working that out is the MAIN ingredient in reducing IKs.

                        Happy Holidays Everyone!

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                        • #13
                          New year is almost here, get stuck in and progress will come.
                          A Game of Bones. A Stretch With Rice And Fire.

                          Start1/04/15:BPEL:7.1 MEG:5.2 -1/07/15:BPEL:7.2 MEG:5.4

                          Edging For Premature Ejaculation./
                          Pelvic Floor Balance./
                          Minute Man'snKegel Master List./ Reverse Kegels./
                          JP90 Routine./ Conditioning Your Wang.

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                          • #14
                            UPDATE:

                            Just finished up Day 3 of the 3 Day Routine. I gotta say, it was extremely enjoyable. Day 3 I went for about 40 minutes. I have been alternating through the sessions -- Starting with imagination to get hard, then dry (almost) death grip, then add lube, ballooning, and even started to incorporate fleshlight a little bit. That thing is still hard to last in which tells me that my sensitivity is still through the roof. Which, once I get control of, will be amazing. I actually ENJOYED the feelings I had throughout whereas before it was all "alright, when am I going to cum?"

                            What I've realized is that my PreE is a combination of naturally having a sensitive penis but NEVER cultivating a routine that took that into consideration. I would always masturbate quickly, mostly cause my parents were always home-- when I masturbated as a kid it was always "sneaking off" to do it somewhere. Which is FINE, until there is a 2nd party involved (women) and they're not so cool with that. And you're not so cool with them not being cool with that. And the cycle begins. I never had PEGYM when I was 14 and 15 with my first sexual experiences. But I do now so there is no excuse...

                            It's going to be a long journey but oh so worth it...

                            Champions only feel like champions knowing at one point they did not. That's why guys with PreE who fight it like the plague and see the other side will have the chance to enjoy sex more than guys who never had the probelm in the first place.

                            Happy 2015 Everyone. Looking forward to a great year.

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                            • #15
                              I agree 100%, some days are tough and I feel defeated looking ahead at how long the journey will be when progress is slow.

                              But the support of everyone who has overcome this and the progress logs of everyone who refuses to quit until they overcome this is amazing.

                              I'm really thankful for this site and hope everyone finds the motivation and discipline they need to cultivate an amazing sex life!

                              Cheers and Happy New Year

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