What Am l Doing Wrong?

[Lucidity Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Lucidity]

3 months of JP90 and not a *single* centimeter in gains in length or girth

A while ago l also used the SG for several months and got no gains either

What the hell am l doing wrong?! l'm sick of putting in all this work and not getting any results

[Dangler Senior Administrator☼ Wizard ☼ White Tiger Award 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close Dangler]

Looking back through your last 100 posts, posts at Good Looking Loser you have tried perhaps too much ?

How about a 2 month deconditioning break? You may have been over doing things (more is not always better). .
What if your dick has gone into resistance mode, the more you do to it, the more it fights back.

Some men find that they can only do a small amount of pe, need more rest days than others.
Has your EQ varied over the months of you trying different things ?
If you kept a daily log, with details, that would be helpful. I did not locate one if you did.

[Lucidity Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Lucidity]

l'm not sure what posts you mean. l haven't posted on GLL about PE for quite a long time. The last time l tried any PE before JP90 was using the SG, and there were a good many months between the two

Also, my EQ hasn't changed at all

[ForgottenOne Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ForgottenOne]

The SG is an extender, right? How far did you go with that? By the way, manual techniques alone didn't do much for me either. It was probably because of the amount of force I used with my hands.

[Dangler Senior Administrator☼ Wizard ☼ White Tiger Award 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close Dangler]

Have you ever overtrained ?

[Toadstool Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Toadstool]

3 months of JP90 and not a *single* centimeter in gains in length or girth

A while ago l also used the SG for several months and got no gains either

What the hell am l doing wrong?! l'm sick of putting in all this work and not getting any results

Sometimes it just takes a little longer. The initial routine you're on is more to condition yourself through to other, mor tougher exercises, as they might be too dangerous for a novice.

I mean, I didn't take a look through your log like Dangler did, but at a glance here, I would recommend ot give it some time. Be patient. Stay focused. Look at your PIs, make sure everything is happy.

[Lucidity Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Lucidity]

The SG is an extender, right? How far did you go with that? By the way, manual techniques alone didn't do much for me either. It was probably because of the amount of force I used with my hands.

l don't know what you mean by how far. l always kept it at least 1cm past my stretched flaccid length, wore it for at least 8 hours a day, and stuck with it for several months. The first time i used it was with the SG strap or noose. When i saw no results after 3+ months, i gave up. Gave it another a shot a year later using the VLC cone, stuck with it for several months, but the VLC cone kept causing a random spot the shaft to turn raw and painful

[Lucidity Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Lucidity]

Have you ever overtrained ?

The way i understand it, you can only tell if you overtrained if your EQ suffers. Aside from one time several years ago, my EQ has always seemed just fine

[Dangler Senior Administrator☼ Wizard ☼ White Tiger Award 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close Dangler]

That may indicate that you could make incremental increases overtime, to the point where EQ degrades.
Then rest, and reduce things a bit, so that EQ is maintained.
You might keep an eye on some of Big Al's posts, and see what might help you.

[Lucidity Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Lucidity]

Sometimes it just takes a little longer. The initial routine you're on is more to condition yourself through to other, mor tougher exercises, as they might be too dangerous for a novice.

I mean, I didn't take a look through your log like Dangler did, but at a glance here, I would recommend ot give it some time. Be patient. Stay focused. Look at your PIs, make sure everything is happy.

Really? l'd imagine after 3 months i should see at least *some* change, however minute. But there's nothing.

The only lf JP90 is for beginners, can you give some examples of more advanced exercises? l haven't been consistent over the past several years but i have put a lot of total time in and even saw some gains with the BM. Maybe JP90 isn't intense enough?

l should say l've been running a modified JP90. At some point i was doing both jelqs and 20 mins in the Bathmate- along with stretching- but then stopped the jelqs because it got too time consuming with everything else. Then i started adding in Bathmate stretches... 1-3 sets. i get bad gaitor bite so i have to be gentle. Lately i've been doing no more than 2 sets of BM stretches per day because the pain of the gaitor bite comes back when i slip the BM on and pump the next day

As for negative Pls... i get definite discoloration from using the BM... lots of little red dots that turn darker the next day (looks like my dick is just a different skin color) and it dissappears if i don't pump again the next few days. l also get pain on the fat pad/bottom of the shaft area from the BM if i go too far. And i'm not sure, but i may or may not be getting morning wood still

Positive Pls: l seem to have a longer hang after stretching that lasts throughout the day, but i haven't actually measured on a PE day so i'm not sure. l also get the standard increase in thickness from the BM. My EQ doesn't seem to have changed

[Lucidity Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Lucidity]

Yes, but that was 3 or 4 years ago. My EQ is not currently suffering. l'm doing 5 days on, 2 days off because i'm too busy on the weekends. l don't know what else i can do.

That may indicate that you could make incremental increases overtime, to the point where EQ degrades.
Then rest, and reduce things a bit, so that EQ is maintained.
You might keep an eye on some of Big Al's posts, and see what might help you.

[Toadstool Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Toadstool]

Okay, so you're not an inexperience PEer if you've been doing this for years. Why are you still on the Jp90 after so long? I'm confused. Maybe things have changed since I've been aound here, but I think I remember reading that the JP90 mostly does not give gains. It didn't for me. Some men who are older might see gains with the JP90, but that's more than likely due to the increased blood flow.

As far as I'm aware, that is a starter routine that helps to condition the peen for more intense exercises. Yea, you should probably move onto something more intense at this point. especially after years.
I've read that, while jelqing is the backbone of PE, many people do not report gains from jelqing alone. It's often a stretch of some kind that helps to increase length, or hanging.

A lot of people see positive gains with hanging. It's something I'm going to seriously consider in the future.

A good rule of thumb I read from BigAl is that if your routine hasn't improved your peen in some way after 3months, then switch routines altogether. It may not be that you're "doing anything wrong," but rather just aren't using the right exercises. What are the right exercises? Well you gotta try them. It's sort of like taking stabs in the dark.

[ForgottenOne Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ForgottenOne]

l don't know what you mean by how far. l always kept it at least 1cm past my stretched flaccid length, wore it for at least 8 hours a day, and stuck with it for several months. The first time i used it was with the SG strap or noose. When i saw no results after 3+ months, i gave up. Gave it another a shot a year later using the VLC cone, stuck with it for several months, but the VLC cone kept causing a random spot the shaft to turn raw and painful

Well, from what I gathered, the rods that extenders use can be adjusted to vary the tension and consequently, the stretch. Just about everything in PE involves some sort of progression. Why wouldn't there be any for extenders?

[Lucidity Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Lucidity]

Just to clarify, l haven't been doing PE for years *consistently*. lt's been very on and off, and the only time l saw gains was .5" in flaccid girth from the Bathmate

l didn't know JP90 wasn't intended to give gains... l must have misunderstood. l have a Bib hanger but for the life of me could never get it to fit right, and the general consensus here seems to be it's shit anyway. So l'll look up a more advanced routine. Do you have any suggestions where to find some? Can't find any stickies in the forum.

Thanks for clearing things up for me Toadstool

Okay, so you're not an inexperience PEer if you've been doing this for years. Why are you still on the Jp90 after so long? I'm confused. Maybe things have changed since I've been aound here, but I think I remember reading that the JP90 mostly does not give gains. It didn't for me. Some men who are older might see gains with the JP90, but that's more than likely due to the increased blood flow.

As far as I'm aware, that is a starter routine that helps to condition the peen for more intense exercises. Yea, you should probably move onto something more intense at this point. especially after years.
I've read that, while jelqing is the backbone of PE, many people do not report gains from jelqing alone. It's often a stretch of some kind that helps to increase length, or hanging.

A lot of people see positive gains with hanging. It's something I'm going to seriously consider in the future.

A good rule of thumb I read from BigAl is that if your routine hasn't improved your peen in some way after 3months, then switch routines altogether. It may not be that you're "doing anything wrong," but rather just aren't using the right exercises. What are the right exercises? Well you gotta try them. It's sort of like taking stabs in the dark.

[Beefster Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Beefster]

Well, i read some of yours posts. I am kind of a similar boat as you....I tried manual stuff only, years ago, and only got EQ gains, maybe due to increased blood flow, i got some girth gain. I was disappointed and stopped. But then, i got a bathmate pump. I dont wanna sound like a fan boy, but pumps make a major difference for me. I saw you tried the SG, thats great, but you gotta stick with it, you need to log 1000+ hours. Cell division isnt gonna happen in just a few months.

If i were you, I would first off take a break, 2 weeks. Then get back in with JP90 and just simple basic stretches for a few weeks just to get back into it. Then blast your cock with SG extender + a pump + continue JP90 + basic stretches + kegels.