EQ and troubles

[ldbraveheart Member Find all posts View Profile Close ldbraveheart]

Hi, I was hoping to get some feedback on my problem. Without boring you with all my history, let me just describe the past 6 months. I used the Bib Hanger for about 6 weeks (after taking approx 6 months off from PE). I got back up to 11 lbs, and did 3 sets of 20 min every day for 6-7 weeks. Now, I know that was a mistake because I saw some negative PIs (mainly lower EQ, loss of morning wood, reduced hardness); but the Bib dude said 'exercise every day, don't take days off...' He was wrong--I know that now. So, I took a few weeks off and then got into the JP beginner routine. This was my 1st time at jelqing; and I loved it at first; but I started getting negative PIs again (like with the Bib). So, I took time off and started doing PE only 2-3 times per week. Still, it seems that I get negative PIs after every workout. My EQ and hardness level have been terrible this entire time. I feel like my hardness level isn't even suitable for intercourse; and on top of that, I think I lost 1/4 " in EL (from 6.5 to 6.25). I think the jelq is causing me some trouble; so I plan to do only stretching and kegels until I get EQ back. I pray that I will get EQ back and regain my lost 1/4 inch. Does anybody have any helpful feedback? Thanks.

[Unit Retired ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Unit]

Consider taking an other week off and starting with a lower intensity routine. I started with the one I'm going to leave a link for, please note that I might be biased. This one does allow you to start easy and increase your workout as your PIs indicate.
Your First Penis Enlargement Workout Routine
Jelqing is the bread and butter of PE. I think that may of us use to strong of a grip when starting out, (myself included), all that is really needed is an erection of about 50%, an OK grip and a slow gentle pushing of the blood through the penis. There is no need for anything close to a death grip. "Less is More"

[ldbraveheart Member Find all posts View Profile Close ldbraveheart]

Thanks, UE. I had an amaing light edge session the other night. I think my EQ is back, and at the end, I even think I measured up above 6.5. Fuckin' amazing--this PE stuff. Bottom line for me now--slow!!!! Will resume with kegels, edging and stretching only. I'm a little surpised about the Bib dude--his advice of exercising every day is in direct opposition to much of the advice herein.

[Samurai Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Samurai]

"You can realistically expect a 1 to 2” (possibly more) of a length increase, and around 1/2” in circumference within several weeks." -- AJ "Big Al" Alfaro, head personal trainer of Male Enhancement Coach

I read this in UE's link above. It seems very unrealistic to me. Maybe if you are a freaky gainer it might happen but I think the vast majority of guys will be lucky to gain a 1/2 inch length in several weeks of PE.

To the OP, I do recommend the less is more theory. Some of us over-train very easily. Start off light and gradually work your way up.

[now2402 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close now2402]

Hi, I was hoping to get some feedback on my problem. Without boring you with all my history, let me just describe the past 6 months. I used the Bib Hanger for about 6 weeks (after taking approx 6 months off from PE). I got back up to 11 lbs, and did 3 sets of 20 min every day for 6-7 weeks. Now, I know that was a mistake because I saw some negative PIs (mainly lower EQ, loss of morning wood, reduced hardness); but the Bib dude said 'exercise every day, don't take days off...' He was wrong--I know that now. So, I took a few weeks off and then got into the JP beginner routine. This was my 1st time at jelqing; and I loved it at first; but I started getting negative PIs again (like with the Bib). So, I took time off and started doing PE only 2-3 times per week. Still, it seems that I get negative PIs after every workout. My EQ and hardness level have been terrible this entire time. I feel like my hardness level isn't even suitable for intercourse; and on top of that, I think I lost 1/4 " in EL (from 6.5 to 6.25). I think the jelq is causing me some trouble; so I plan to do only stretching and kegels until I get EQ back. I pray that I will get EQ back and regain my lost 1/4 inch. Does anybody have any helpful feedback? Thanks.

I was in the same position as yours. I did JP's 90 days routine. After 2 week doing peing, I felt bad. The hardness of my penis was not good. I was not hurt, but I realized my penis was getting weak. I lost 1/4 inch like you. So, I stopped doing that. Now I feel better. You should not be worry, but YOU HAVE TO STOP IT NOW. DON'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT PEING or you will REGRET. Believe me! JUST LOVE YOUR PENIS. You have only one PENIS.

[VIPER Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close VIPER]

Intense stretching can cause low EQ, if it does then just stick to jelqing and stamina exercises.
I read up about BIB and his hanging methods quite a while ago and from what i can remember he believes that if the penis is alowed to rest it will get stronger, and the stronger the penis gets the more difficult it is to achieve gains especially length.

[Big Al AdministratorPEGym EditorMale Enhancement Coach Rep.PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Big Al]

"You can realistically expect a 1 to 2” (possibly more) of a length increase, and around 1/2” in circumference within several weeks." -- AJ "Big Al" Alfaro, head personal trainer of Male Enhancement Coach

I read this in UE's link above. It seems very unrealistic to me. Maybe if you are a freaky gainer it might happen but I think the vast majority of guys will be lucky to gain a 1/2 inch length in several weeks of PE.

To the OP, I do recommend the less is more theory. Some of us over-train very easily. Start off light and gradually work your way up.

Please read about a recent study that I'm conducting concerning client gains. All of the numerical figures provided were submitted by trainees. Some of the gentlemen participating are from this very forum.

You'd be correct in stating that the vast majority of guys don't make those kinds of gains. Nevertheless, that doesn't mean that those types of gains aren't occurring amongst trainees or that they aren't feasible.

The mind is an extremely powerful organ, and those that visualize themselves making great gains have a much better chance at attaining their goals. One thing is almost certain- if you "believe" those types of gains to be unrealistic then you probably won't be making that kind of progress.

Think Big to BE Big

[Wolfmesser Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Wolfmesser]

The mind is an extremely powerful organ, and those that visualize themselves making great gains have a much better chance at attaining their goals. One thing is almost certain- if you "believe" those types of gains to be unrealistic then you probably won't be making that kind of progress. Think Big to BE Big

I absolutly agree with that statement . Of course we must all use logic, but with something as powerful as visualization and a hunger for something, then we can make logic take great leaps.

[ldbraveheart Member Find all posts View Profile Close ldbraveheart]

Update to my progress and request for advice: PE has been frustrating for the last 3 months. PIs would be good, then they would get bad. I've been using a simple beginner program of jelq 10 minutes and stretch 5 minutes--3 times per week; and kegel (approx 100 reps) and edge (approx 20 min)--3 times per week. My EL has been at 6.5 for the entire time. Now, my EQ has been down for the last 3 weeks; morning wood is gone, flaccid hang is not as good as it has been. This has now happened to me a few times in the last 3 months; and I would take a few (up to 5) days off, then it would get better. Now, however, it has been like this for about 3 weeks; and I've mixed in several days of break in that period. What's going on with me? I'm close to the point of giving up my growth goal in favor of simple EQ and penis health. Any positive feedback, or suggested routine change? Thanks.

[Gemini Member Find all posts View Profile Close Gemini]

Hello ldbraveheart, it's disheartening to hear that you're experiencing so much trouble.

You said that you're currently stretching, jelqing and kegeling. Why don't you eliminate one of those and see how it goes? If you decide to do that, I'd begin by leaving out the stretching as it's known to often have the effect of lessening EQ.

As for kegels, I'll offer advice that you can take or leave as you wish, because it goes against the widely-accepted norm on this site...

When I began, I never kegeled regularly but did them here and there because that's what you're "supposed" to do when practicing PE. I even started doing the 'piss start/stop'. What I got from all that was a lesser ability to hold in my pee; I nearly pissed my pants several times. And no, it didn't matter if I did 30 or 150 - I could barely hold my bladder!

That's not to say that kegels don't have their benefits. Now, I only do them when jelqing to help pump in more blood and also do several sets against my tugback at all angles -- this is sort of similar to doing 'rubber band kegels' or towel raises. Having a bit of resistance while kegeling has made a lot of difference in my EQ since I began doing this about three weeks ago. It may only be a coincidence, but my current growth spurt kicked in around that time. I am DONE with regular, sit-on-your-ass kegeling.

You're not alone, as I too lost 1/2 of erect length about two weeks after I began. It was due to too much pressure when jelqing which was caused by my inadvertantly keeping my top hand locked and squeezing as the bottom hand was sliding up the shaft (this may be fine for a seasoned vet, but certainly NOT for a beginner). My point is that you may be using too much pressure. If I'd had better technique from the start, I might have even better gains by now. At least it's possible to recover from this once the proper technique is applied, as I got my 1/2" back along with another 3/4". I feel that it's best to jelq for a longer period of time with reasonable pressure than to jelq for a short amount of time with enough pressure to squeeze your dick small enough to fit through a keyhole.

I don't know what else to put here, as I began just over three months ago and have aquired just enough PE knowledge to make me dangerous.

At any rate, just some food for thought and I wish you the best.

[ldbraveheart Member Find all posts View Profile Close ldbraveheart]

Hi Gemini, thanks so much for the advice and your time. I will read this again to fully digest your advice; but yes, I was thinking about deferring the stretching portion of my rountine. Thanks again.

[CUSP82 Administrator Admin of the Month Dec 2014PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close CUSP82]

How about deferring everything for a couple of months. You seem to have a very mercurial history with pe; at times way over doing things you're not in condition for, then giving yourself inadequate rest, and then doing the whole cycle again. How about not even playing with your dick until July 4 weekend. It gives you something to look forward to and it will give you time to get the proper rest and healing.

[Pirate Retired AdministratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Pirate]

How about deferring everything for a couple of months. You seem to have a very mercurial history with pe; at times way over doing things you're not in condition for, then giving yourself inadequate rest, and then doing the whole cycle again. How about not even playing with your dick until July 4 weekend. It gives you something to look forward to and it will give you time to get the proper rest and healing.

I like this approach.
Get the rest to recover then resume slowly and carefully.

[Gemini Member Find all posts View Profile Close Gemini]

You're welcome, Idbraveheart.

CUSP and Pirate have been at this much longer than I have, so it might be best to listen to them instead of me. No matter what course you choose for now, you should definately leave the devices for much further down the road. It can be difficult to discern exactly what will work one's self and what will not, as there are freaks of nature out there who gain and gain big no matter what devices they use right from the start or what type of rigmarole they put their dicks through. Obviously, you aren't one of those guys and I know I'm sure as hell not one.

If you decide to take the time off, come back with the attitude that you're a total beginner and go from there. Aside from the freaks of nature who can do no wrong, I feel that one should exhaust all possible gains from basic manual excercises (jelqing, stretching and so forth) before moving on to devices. I'm pretty sure if I had tried hanging before being conditioned, I would've torn my unit in half. I'm not discounting it for the future, but I'm simply not ready for it, even after three months of conditioning. Besides, I'm currently enjoying a growth spurt -- why change anything?

You know, even if you do no more PE until early July, you could still get some very nice gains by the end of the year, and possibly sooner. I hope you find a routine that works for you because it's an indescribable feeling to have made real gains.

Keep the PE faith, and I again wish you the best!!

[ldbraveheart Member Find all posts View Profile Close ldbraveheart]

Thanks, guys. CUSP, I had to look up the meaning of the word "mercurial" -- very Harvard of you !