BPEL farce?

[kong15 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close kong15]

Isn't it a little unfair to measure like that? depending on the fat around that area its adding substantial length that in reality is never used as it will never enter a vagina? For me it could add anywhere from a half inch to an inch and i wouldnt be comfortable saying i have a 6-6.5 inch penis when only 5.5 could enter a vagina lol opinions please...

[MoneyShots Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close MoneyShots]

This is not the first nor the last time something like this will be brought up here in the gym. We use BPEL because it the most accurate means of measurement. Measuring NPEL leaves room for much more error.

Additionally, Some of the penis that is not exposed can still be used during sex if you are thrusting far enough to the point that you're pressing against your fat pad much like you would during measuring.

Trust that a lot has gone into the way we do things and you will save yourself the headache of trying to figure out why you can't get a consistent measurememnt due to only measuring NPEL.

There are plenty here that may be able to provide a better answer but that was my .2. Welcome to the gym and best of luck.

[kong15 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close kong15]

Thanks man glad to be here. i dont care how hard i fuck, i dont see anyway that length of dick behind my fat pad is getting in. i shave and use the line of where my pubic hair stubble starts. I just couldnt bring myself to claim my dick is bigger than what is being used...

[MrB8 Senior Member Member of the Month Nov 2013 Find all posts View Profile Close MrB8]

to the Gym!


Don't miss this thread!!!

Mental PE - Creating The Right Mindset

And if you haven't already done so, check the links on the navigation bar at the top of the page especially the START HERE Thread and focus on safety, you only have one penis, take good care of it.

Pick one of the manual beginner routines and follow it for at least 90 days to condition your penis, or until you stop gaining. Most members here choose JP90, start slow, and build up to the full routine over a few weeks time, jelq with an erection level between 45% and 65% using a moderate grip, just enough to move blood up the shaft and to the glans.


Your BPEL is your real and usable length, it is consistent and easy to track than NBPEL as the fatpad is affected not only bey your weight but by your position/posture, hydration and other factors, plus, you don't really have to say how long your penis is, focus on how to use it than on what to say about it!

The fatpad is not rock solid, it compresses, that is how you get the BPEL too, so during sex, if you push deep enough you use your whole penis, also in some positions, like the woman on top variants, your fatpad is virtually nonexistent, and you are almost bone pressed already.


Pay attention to your PIs, your penis is trying to tell you if you are over working, or you are in the growth zone, aim for positive PIs, and steer away from the negative ones.

Physiologic Indicators (PIs) to Help Penis Growth!

What to Expect....A Beginner's Guide


Good luck on your PE journey, PE safely!

[burtybasset Retired Moderator Member of the Month May 2014PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close burtybasset]

Welcome to the gym domywife1234!

I agree with MrB8, it is the usable penis, if your going deep and/or "grinding" when your having sex, your using your entire penis and will get the added bonus of stimulating your lady's clitoris!

It is also as MoneyShots suggests the most accurate method to measure gains against!

Good luck with your routine, stay positive!

[Phoenix7672 Senior Member Member of the Month Oct 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close Phoenix7672]

I don't know about others, but my fat pat is not very dense at all, so even placing my hand on it causes it to compress slightly. Granted, measuring BPEL with a ruler might net an additional 0.25" or less that could never go in due to your hips/etc getting in the way, but most of it can and will go in (assuming she has room/can accept it).

Also, don't forget if you drop weight that fat will go away (somewhat), and that doesn't mean your penis magically got bigger, it just means more of it is now being exposed all the time.

[Party Senior Member Member of the Month August 2016 Find all posts View Profile Close Party]

Interestlying enough I just happened to google average size the morning as I had infrequent morning wood. The survey used BPEL and gave an average of 5.5 which I just am having a hard time believing. Currently I'm 6.5 but do not feel above average at all, or believe I could be with only 5.5 NBPEL. Of course now this has come with one years work with stretchers like the PF. Wish I had measured my BPEL a year ago but did start tracking my flaccid bone pressed stretched lenght on a sturdy paper dowel. Beginning lenght was 6.2, current as of October 1st is 7.25. Are these actual gains? I have lost weight but with a bone press it's shouldn't matter that much, plus or minus an eight inch?

[Phoenix7672 Senior Member Member of the Month Oct 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close Phoenix7672]

Party if those are the numbers then yes they should be gains.

I'm still shocked at how some people can measure that much higher stretched flaccid than their erect, but then we are all built differently (in my case it has never been more than 0.25" higher or lower than my erect length really).

[Party Senior Member Member of the Month August 2016 Find all posts View Profile Close Party]

Believe you me I with my stretched flaccid lenght was my BPEL! Holy cow Batman. I always measure my flaccid stretch lenght in the morning before any PE stretching that day

[Pegasus AdministratorPE Gym EditorPEGym Hero ☺ Admin of the Month Mar 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close Pegasus]

Wow constantly surprised how some guys only use their nbpel during sex . How do you even do that, don't you want to push it home ? Me, I push my penis into pussy harder than I push a ruler into my groin something about motivation.

[not2big Senior Super ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close not2big]

In my opinion, I use about 1/2 of my penis behind the fat pad. My BPEL is 6.5" and my fat pad is about 1" so I feel I am using about 6" during intercourse.

BPEL is the only accurate way to determine gains. How you describe your EL is entirely up to you.

My flaccid stretched length is about 1/2" longer than my BPEL. I compare it to stretching an un inflated balloon as compared to the length of an inflated balloon.

[Pegasus AdministratorPE Gym EditorPEGym Hero ☺ Admin of the Month Mar 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close Pegasus]

Ok n2b so you are still being very gentle ,how do you restrain yourself?

[burtybasset Retired Moderator Member of the Month May 2014PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close burtybasset]

Ok n2b so you are still being very gentle ,how do you restrain yourself?

With restraints! (just kidding )

[not2big Senior Super ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close not2big]

Ok n2b so you are still being very gentle ,how do you restrain yourself?

Us older guys are not that forceful. I only push, I don't pound.

[Party Senior Member Member of the Month August 2016 Find all posts View Profile Close Party]

I'm 5.5 NBPEL and my wife loves a good pounding