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  • Good improvement after many many years of ED - my program

    Hello guys!

    Here's my story, I hope some of you can find it helplful. English is not my native language
    so i'm sorry if it's perfect.

    I'm 31 yo now, have erection problems since I was about 23. Now i have major improvement in 3 months.

    being 23 at that time I didn't have a girlfriend (had some bad acne problems, that btw took a couple years to fix with the help of roccuatune) so I had to masturbate once in a while
    to take of the pressure off, well you know. I don't think i used to overmasturbate.
    But the problem was that I lived with my mom who could break into my room without actually knocking. Damn i love her but still can't forgive this because it had a huge negative impact on my further life. So I had to flex (force) the muscle hard around the penis and inside and nearby so i could cum faster. that was the biggest mistake of my life.

    then i actually met a couple girls and could not get it up, morning erections also dissapear.
    I've also lost the sense of orgasm. It's non existant.

    I went to many different Uros they are so god damn stupid. those stupid men never could discover my real problem (which is pelvic tension now i know that without being a doctor but after many years of reasearch) all they could say u have a good utlrasound and doppler blood after injection, but it's possible prostatis. Well i asked them how the hell you know its prostatitis
    even when my urine, blood and etc tests were okay? they said something like "shut up we know better" i took numerous cycles of antibiotics, viagra, prostate masssage, electrostimulation
    and shit like that which never helped me at all. At that time I was almost completely soft.

    If god exists I hope that he will punish those stupid uros for not helping me out after they die.

    then with time my body decided to heal up a bit it took maybe 5 years eventually i good
    get it up but only with constant stimulation and not completely hard (maybe like 70-75% hard which is enough for the penetration) but when i stop any kind of stimulation it would drop right away (i guess it's because it never went completely hard), for example i could not even wear a condom becauuse when i tried to wear it on the erection already went away

    so i met another girl that i liked and we could have sex now, although i had to insert as soon as I can. Now I have a daughter. Since 23 i never had an orgasm feeling when i cum. So i decided that i can't really help myself out of this situation.

    so at about 30 being an office worker I had stiff back-neck problems So i went to this chiropracter and then I realized that I could have a simular problem in my pelvis. He explained me that constant tension isn't neccesary pain. And i learned some muscle relaxation techniques with the help of that doctor, books (travell and simons) and forums.

    the chiropracter worked on my sacrum a bit, i also shared my thought with him but he said he dodnt have any expierence with pelvic tension

    I think that no doctors out of USA do.

    First of all i tried kegels for 3 months and they only made my condition worse. Because.

    I found out that my asshole muscles are like always flexed. So when I think about relaxating them and stop walking they would relax. All the other time they must be in constant tension.

    So i realized that i have this chronic pelvic tension which is causing my ED problems.
    the possible cases are really unknown but i think its one or two

    1. tight muscle limiting blood flood
    2. tight muscles pressing up the nerves

    I also had an ray test which told me i had some (not so bad) coccyx problems

    With the help of knowledge? I designed this program that is slowly but steadily helping my condition. I've practicised it for about 3 months daily and now I can have completely hard erection, while it still disppears too quick (but not rapidly), I think it will evenetuallly improve. morning wood is also back. the sense of orgasm isn't back yet.

    Remember that I have hadnt improved for many years despite the drugs like biloba, viagra,vitamins and so on. Now i am and i'm really happy about this and you can try this program.


    the most important is to learn the muscle relaxation techniques and trigger points

    I discoveted trigger points in my psoas, hams, glutes, in pubic area. you need to learn how to release trigger points (but it's sometimes hard) with finger gentle round massage and then press it with you thumb for 1-1,5 minutes

    one point imho can take up to 10-20 sessions to release it.

    But the most helpful and wonder things are tennis balls.
    Okay you buy a set of tennis balls (buy many of them because they get destroyed under your bodyweight) and a fitball (swiss ball 65 or 75 cm big)

    I also purchased U-type sit. cushion (it helps to relax the pelvis whiel sitting, helps to sit on the sit bones but not the coccyx which is bad for your health) this cushion doesnt cost must it has a hole for the asshole area, LOL

    I usually do my program in the evening after work. that helps to relax muscles around the penis

    1. Warm sitting bath for 10-15 minutes - very important, can add up some sea salt for better relaxation
    2. turn of the lights and play some relaxation music ( i prefer hindu mantras) for the mind and body relaxation is quite helpful, i also burn some sandal sticks once in a while
    3. lie down on your bed.
    4. take your tennis balls and put them under your butt, sometimes different day change the placing,
    but the emphasis would be near the asshole and outside top corners (which supposedly helps to relax the piriformis, obturatorsm and just the glute muscles). you should feel some pressure but not painfull though pronounced

    the most important thing you need to learn the diffeeence between tense (tight) and relaxed muscle (very soft)

    Now you can also lie down on your belly and put the tennis balls (2) on the pubic area
    move the location of the balls on different days, try the very middle and then the area closer to the ligament. Okay, i think that ligaments can wear the exess tension as well. so u need to relax them. you might also ened to relax the bottom of your abdominals they can be tight as well

    I suppose that the good way to relax the ligaments is the Recoil osteopatic technique
    whicj works in a way you put a pressure on the tissue press for 2-3 minutes and then rapidly (!) remove the pressure (ie your hand or finger)

    So move those balls and you need to feel that the pubic area gets softer.

    you need to feel good pressure but not really painful. Only some moderate pain is acceptable.
    if you dont get enough pressure but something on your back/belly (i use heavy pillow 2-3 kg extra wieghts that it adds helps me)

    Each area i prefer to spend on may be 10 minutes or so with tennis balls

    Now you also can try to put one tennis ball near the asshole and carefully !!! sit on it

    Okay another thing is that you need to relax the perinium, there's like "a hole"
    between the penis shaft and asshole right in the middle between the bones (!!!!), if you take a thing and press into it
    your actually pressing up those Pc muscles and some ligament which is very important to relax.

    you press it deep enough, use your middle fingers, press up on it and kegel - hold the kegel for 5-10 seconds, then press a bit harder so this area gets relaxed

    do this 5 times and then still holding the pressure we can use recoil technique rapidly remove
    the finger.

    5. I dont believe in massaging the area for the relaxation needs. this is debatable but I dont.
    Even though if it can work, the pressure techniques and tennis balls work better and easierr

    6. Another thing is stretching and MET (aka PIR) techniques.
    Learn how to relax your psoas and the most important thing I GUESS is inside thigh area which is my worst problem (still too tight but improving)
    the adductor muscles and ligaments can be very tight

    so you shoudl also use recoil on those ligaments press it up with your hand (finger) and while alying down on the back tri to adduct the muscles (move in) while pressing up on the ligament.

    Anotthe rgood thing is to use our swissball you put in between your knees and tried to move your kneees against the ball for 5 seconds, adnd then spread your legs, do it again 5 times.

    Kid of a weird strech i've never seen anywhere else I tried to design a good stretch myself.

    you lie down on the belly and the swissball is like near right your butt then u take your leg and put in on the ball (like if a dog is trying to piss on a tree) so

    one (left) leg is just on the bed in opposed direction and another leg is on the swissball being stretched in right and up direction with the help of the swissball

    the important note - you should not try to tear yourself, the pain must be very moderate
    otherwise you might get a trauma which is not wwhat you really want right

    Piriformis strething is here
    http://www.stirlingchiropractic.com....p_image005.gif

    but i recommend pir which means you try to press with you knee outside while resisting this movement with your hand and then stretch it inside (liek if your trying to bring your knee to the opposing shouler direction) do PIR cycle 5 time and then maybe a minute deep stretch on each side

    7. End your streching with laying on your back and legs and bent and reside on the swissball
    this helps to relax the lower back, sacrum... Do slow deep abdominal breathing while thinking about pc, asshole and other pelvic muscles trying to relax them while doing that
    mayebe 10-15 minutes

    8. Sometimes when i have time and will i do legs up against the wall yoga pose breathing relaxation although i find and when i bent my legs it gives deep stretch and relaxation

    9. Before bed I take 1 tolperisone pill (a muscle relaxant) and a herbal supplement

    10. while walking around think often about your pelvis and try to relax it if you reliazde its tighten up. Do not kegel it would make your situation worse. But of course you need to distinguish betwee the weak muscles and over-tight (my case) pelvis

    11. For libido i find bee pollen very useful

    Feedback and discussion are welcome

  • #2
    Ok guys this is a long post, but contains a great through section on tennis ball massage, which is often recomended for Pre e and ed issues on this site, You know when I recommend yoga style stretching of the pelvic area? Read this post for the detailed version.

    Now notice that the op is talking a lot about relaxing the pelvic floor ?
    While there are many causes of ed ,I have long held the view that 2 are directly treatable by pelvic floor exercise. In the first the pelvic floor is weak and needs and can be strengthened and kegels should be 60 or 70% of the k/rk workout . In the second ,the pelvic floor is spasmed and reverse kegel needs to be 50% plus of the kegel /reverse kegel workout. Though it can have long term downside if it is not well managed ,some members, notably JamesMunroe espose 100% reverse kegel workouts in the case of severe spasm.

    Storm if you would like to discuss reverse k you can do it on this thread or pm me.

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    • #3
      I don't really understand what's the point of doing classic kegels if the muscles are already too tight.. maybe only the rapid ones. But i'm not sure. Everyone is diffferent but i got worse from doing many kegels (rapid, 5 second holds, 1 minute holds)

      the chiropracter said that kegels might help for the mind-muscle connection

      as for the reverse kegel.. i am afraid that it tightens up my abdominals, maybe im not doing them right or just too hard.

      i think that a good way to relax is legs up the wall knee bent and legs outward(45 degree) again everyone is different

      yes, tennis balls are great. I've watched a couple videos on youtube on smfr (self myofascial release) they rolling on the balls..
      this is quite interesting, the most important thing is to control the pressure. I tried piriformis release with rolling my butt over the tennis ball whiel sitting on it it's too much pressure.. while laying down the pressure is almost right (i've compared with this the strength of chiropracter's pressure)

      well by the way i believe that going to a pt may be better, but it costs too much (about 40 usd here for a sesssion) i can't afford that

      once in a while i also do internal muscle massage through the anus put the finger inside and then massage this muscle or press it between the fingers (one outside another inside) - i'm not sure if it's helpful i just do it like.. to be sure im doing anything possible for my case

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      • #4
        Thanks so much for the detailed posts, Stormbringer. I have PFD at the moment and can't get rid of it. I will try some of the things you wrote. I know you said, hot baths help but what do you think of applying heat directly to the perineum/anus area? I was thinking about sitting on a hot water bottle. What do you think?
        Start : BPEL 6.4" x MEG 4.75"
        Latest : BPEL 7.0" x MEG 5.00"

        Short Term Goal : BPEL 7.5" x MEG 5.25"
        Long Term Goal : BPEL 8" x MEG 6"

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        • #5
          I think that bath helps to relax more muscles at once not only the intimate once but also thighs, gluteus, etc.. So it saves your time , while relaxing more muscles. I believe that pelvic tension is not only about pc muscle

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          • #6
            Do you think working out in a gym is bad for PFD so? Especially leg exercises which work/stress the glutes and thigh area.
            Start : BPEL 6.4" x MEG 4.75"
            Latest : BPEL 7.0" x MEG 5.00"

            Short Term Goal : BPEL 7.5" x MEG 5.25"
            Long Term Goal : BPEL 8" x MEG 6"

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            • #7
              Just remembered another question. Do you believe erections are good or bad for PFD? I mean is it better to try and abstain and relax or is it better to, lets say masturbate or have sex, in order to get blood flow through your internal/external penis.
              Start : BPEL 6.4" x MEG 4.75"
              Latest : BPEL 7.0" x MEG 5.00"

              Short Term Goal : BPEL 7.5" x MEG 5.25"
              Long Term Goal : BPEL 8" x MEG 6"

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              • #8
                I'm not sure. After relaxation I usually have better erection, especially after a hot bath. Doing session right after sex.. I dont think it's right.
                I asked the chiropractor about workoing out lifting weight he said it doesnt really matter (wont hurt) as long as you dont overtrain and don't go heavy weights, low repetitions. he said it's important to do lower back excercises.

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                • #9
                  Very interesting post. First what is PDF? I would like to add that the greater the contractile capacity of a muscle the greater the potential it has for relaxation and flexibility. Your nervous system feels safer because it knows that your muscle has the strength to get out of very stretched positions. However this doesn't mean that strengthening a muscle will automatically increase flexibility/ROM (range of motion)/relaxation. All three forms of control must be practiced, get stronger, stretch, learn to relax. I have thought on trigger points for a while but it seemed very risky to be putting pressure on the small muscles of the pelvic region. But with this post I have to give it a try. As for the RK I also feel like I can only perform it by increasing the pressure in my abdomen but I am putting my faith in Pegasus' experience that I will get more control with practice. And your chiropractor seems like a very cool guy, most doctors of any persuasion wouldn't give advice on this issue.

                  Pegasus what yoga style stretching are you referring to? I just started a stretching routine to improve my overall relaxation. I would love to add some specific PC stretches if there are any.

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                  • #10
                    Thanks, Stormbringer.

                    Conor202, PFD is Pelvic Floor Dysfunction.

                    This is a great thread guys. I hope more people add their thoughts on this condition. I believe there are many guys with this type of condition in different stages. I wasn't sure what I had last summer when I had the beginnings of it. I had aches in my pc area but had no erection problems. I then began to get weaker erections but solved that by incorporating a reverse kegel routine. This worked for a while but in the end, it was the straw that broke the camels back. I overtrained either the muscles used for RKs or surrounding muscles or both. Now any muscle around my groin area tires if used. I'm not having sex at the moment but I imagine if I was, the days of marathon sex sessions are gone and also everyday sex. I just seem to be wore out down there.
                    Start : BPEL 6.4" x MEG 4.75"
                    Latest : BPEL 7.0" x MEG 5.00"

                    Short Term Goal : BPEL 7.5" x MEG 5.25"
                    Long Term Goal : BPEL 8" x MEG 6"

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                    • #11
                      Yes stormbringer you are doing reverse kegels wrong. Many guys have problems isolating reverse kegels when they first attempt them and bring in other muscles especially stomach. This is usually not a great problem and isolation improves with practise.

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                      • #12
                        ^^ Pegasus knows what's up. Im young but I don't want to over do the RK, and appreciate all the insight in this thread. I think RK are very good for ED, at least in my case. Since the PE routine i'm on only involves traditional kegels, I like to do these to balance it out.

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                        • #13
                          This thread describes how pelvic floor tension can cause premature ejaculation issues, it is applicable in this form of ed also. It describes how and why reverse kegels help.
                          https://www.pegym.com/forums/prematu...lications.html

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                          • #14
                            Pegasus

                            When I was in my teens and early 20's, i could feel the kegel muscles contract big time. Now that I'm older, I don't feel them like that anymore. What does that mean?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Totenkopf View Post
                              Pegasus

                              When I was in my teens and early 20's, i could feel the kegel muscles contract big time. Now that I'm older, I don't feel them like that anymore. What does that mean?
                              Your question is too general.. However if stormbringer asked it ,I would guess that spasm is cuting feel and blood flow. The method to relax the spasm, is reverse kegel ,massage and general pelvic stretching. Stormbringer describes the massage and stretching in this thread

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