Legal and OTC Alternatives to TRT/HRT ; A thorough analysis / Procedure Overview

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So far I have not been restored to the point which was one of complete 360 feeling in the penis, as well as energy and enhanced lifting that I experienced when I started Clomid 50mg 6-months ago. I can attest that Clomid totally changed he sensation in the penis and gave me extremely hard erections, for a short time. I wonder if it was from e2 that I crashed.

Test a small amount of Cialis (5 mg) and see how you React. If you get no response, you may have crashed your E2..but normally, low E2 signs = dry / clicking joints...water loss/constant urination and hot / cold flashes...most of the side effects of low estrogen are joint related , though...some never get ANY other side-effects from low E BESIDES joint aches.

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hi jack, that is a hard question for me to answer because i've never been committed to a certain diet, only to avoiding certain foods i perceive as bad.

i usually eat cereal, eggs, pancakes in the morning.

i try to eat fish or salmon, very little red meat.

i try to eat fruit at least once a day.

i try to eat vegetable greens usually once per day.

i rarely eat fast food and when i do, its usually pizza or subway (vegetarian or turkey sub.)

so you are right, i eat little animal fat. but if this were the case, don't you think the people of india for example- a nation of majority vegetarians, should have hormonol deficiency more then elsewhere?

the last time i can remember healthy and having a strong drive, was the time i did eat a lot of bad foods- like mcdonalds, chips, pop, other garbage. but this was when i was in my 15th year.

Well, even if indians are vegetarians, they're still getting their fat from nuts like peanuts, pumpkin seeds, avocados, soy bean oil, etc. Although you can get fat from vegan diets, it is better to get the fat straight from the animal in form of butter, lard, whole milk.

I can see your diet is very low on nutrients. Very low. The thing is, even if we think we eat good in the western countries, we don't. If you grab veggies from walmart or publix, they're crap. They barely have a minimum of nutrients, specifically minerals which are CRUCIAL for body functions. The best you can do is to get them in organic form. They're still not as good as old original organic products, but they're a little better. That is why it is important to supplement yourself EVERY DAY OF YOUR LIFE with the 90 essential nutrients the human body needs to function. 60 minerals, 16 vitamins, 12 amino acids and 2 fatty acids. On top of that you need the necessary healthy fat, antioxidants, herbs, etc....

Your intake of fat and cholesterol is minimal, and I am afraid your parents had a very similar diet. Again, it is not their fault, it is not your fault, it is just that culturally in developed countries we eat POISON. We breath poison, we drink poison, we eat poison. Then we develop drugs to deal with the symptoms.

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an MRI has not yet been performed, so I cannot say that its not pituitary or brain adenoma or tumor.

i will try to convince him (the doc) to order an MRI of my brain, if Klinefelters is ruled out by Karyotype, because its the cause for a good minority of people with secondary hypogonadism. i know its a longshot that i have klinefelters, but i do have some of the major symptoms: such as speech deficiency as a very young boy, i had to see a speech therapist to pronounce certain words. i was also mostly unassertive, another symptom. according to my doctor, its possible that one has klinefelters even if he responds to clomid but its much less of a possibility. he has automatically ruled out kalmann syndrome because i can smell and am of average heigh, though it seems not all sufferers of kalmann have these distinguishing characteristics.

if this is the case, do you think that adenoma or pituitary tumor would have come from inadequate nutrition?

Well again, I really do not think you have a tumor. Symptoms would be other like headache and vision problems. Usually when you have a tumor in the pituitary gland, as it grows touches optical servers causing bizarre vision disturbances.
If you can get an MRI would be nice just to get that out of your mind. Good luck with that since our medical system is horrendous. One of the worst in the world.

To answer your question, YES we can say that a tumor IS a nutrition problem. In order for the body to protect itself from all the environmental destruction caused by free radicals, we need antioxidants. Western diets are extremely poor in antioxidants. Thats why we have all types of cancer, tumors everywhere and genetic mutations. Antioxidants are essential to protect the body from oxidative damage.

But I insist, in my opinion your problem is diet. I would love to be able to have you as a roommate and supervise each one of your meals lol. restructuring your diet to a healthy one is not enough. You need a therapy with all essential nutrients on top of a very healthy diet, PLUS you need a few extra nutrients in higher doses for at least 90 days to see improvements and let your body rebuild tissue.

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Oh forgot to mention, you felt better when you were eating crap because you were getting there massive amounts of fat. Including bad fat too and all the other poison that comes from fast food. But if you can include the good fat in your diet, hat would be the beginning of your healing process.

Also, I strongly recommend you to quit gluten consumption for good. Gluten is dangerous, despite all the laughs from the doctors and what people say that gluten is a "myth" I am personally convinced that 20-30 years down the road we all would have moved on from gluten diets into replacement ingredients gluten free.

Gluten GREATLY reduces lifespan at the very least. At it worst, it creates all the catastrophic digestive issues like chrohns disease (sp?), IBS, celiac disease, etc. Also gluten reduces the absorption of nutrients in the intestinal tract due to the damage caused to the vili over the course of time. There are tons of side effects that come from gluten consumption, something that is extremely common in all diets, starting with bread.

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Oh forgot to mention, you felt better when you were eating crap because you were getting there massive amounts of fat. Including bad fat too and all the other poison that comes from fast food. But if you can include the good fat in your diet, hat would be the beginning of your healing process.

OK I'll concur with this.

Also, I strongly recommend you to quit gluten consumption for good. Gluten is dangerous, despite all the laughs from the doctors and what people say that gluten is a "myth" I am personally convinced that 20-30 years down the road we all would have moved on from gluten diets into replacement ingredients gluten free.

Gluten GREATLY reduces lifespan at the very least. At it worst, it creates all the catastrophic digestive issues like chrohns disease (sp?), IBS, celiac disease, etc. Also gluten reduces the absorption of nutrients in the intestinal tract due to the damage caused to the vili over the course of time. There are tons of side effects that come from gluten consumption, something that is extremely common in all diets, starting with bread.

The idea is that gluten is really an irritant here, Saskman, to say it causes 'catastrophic digestive issues' is going a little too far - and catastrophic is not the word I would use..though it certainly suits the hippies.
On the other hand, if you have genetic predisposition (which is more than what diets your parents and ancestors had) - then you could be rendered more sensitive and have some complaints in response to particular concentrations of gluten...but you can make that argument about Cats, too.

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Oh forgot to mention, you felt better when you were eating crap because you were getting there massive amounts of fat. Including bad fat too and all the other poison that comes from fast food. But if you can include the good fat in your diet, hat would be the beginning of your healing process.

Also, I strongly recommend you to quit gluten consumption for good. Gluten is dangerous, despite all the laughs from the doctors and what people say that gluten is a "myth" I am personally convinced that 20-30 years down the road we all would have moved on from gluten diets into replacement ingredients gluten free.

Gluten GREATLY reduces lifespan at the very least. At it worst, it creates all the catastrophic digestive issues like chrohns disease (sp?), IBS, celiac disease, etc. Also gluten reduces the absorption of nutrients in the intestinal tract due to the damage caused to the vili over the course of time. There are tons of side effects that come from gluten consumption, something that is extremely common in all diets, starting with bread.

Hi Jack.

I have already taken your advice and changed my diet the past couple days. Today I ate: omellette, at work i had a meatloaf and natural baked potato, in the evening a chicken breast and some almonds with some raspberries. i will switch to 2% instead of skim milk.

I thought the same with gluten before but I don't have insensitivities to gluten based foods.

I eat very little bread.

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Hi Jack.

I have already taken your advice and changed my diet the past couple days. Today I ate: omellette, at work i had a meatloaf and natural baked potato, in the evening a chicken breast and some almonds with some raspberries. i will switch to 2% instead of skim milk.

I thought the same with gluten before but I don't have insensitivities to gluten based foods.

I eat very little bread.

There actually wouldn't be a problem switching to Whole Milk. More CLA and Protein/enzymes. I drink it myself.

By the way, Saskman, I haven't been neglecting to walk over Jackie boy here.
I haven't found much (really at all), incorrect, that he has been saying...in fact, most of the advice here he is giving you has been pretty good ...so I haven't butt in much . You know if I thought something was ''off'' I would certainly have made the point, very clearly, by now.

With that being said, more specifics might help as well.
One mineral a lot of people forget about is Magnesium. But in terms of hormone production itself, and endocrine matters, Iodine, IRON, Manganese, ZINC, Chromium, SELENIUM are the most important. They all are, though.

Also, you need more glycine, aspartic acid, histidine, Arginine, CARNITINE...these would be the main amino's in endocrine homeostasis..though Lysine plays the primary ANTI-STRESS/ANTI-ANXIETY Role.

Lysine fortification reduces anxiety and lessens stress in family members in economically weak communities in Northwest Syria
Effect of lysine supplementation on health and morbidity in subjects belonging to poor peri-urban households in Accra, Ghana
L-Lysine acts like a partial serotonin receptor 4 antagonist and inhibits serotonin-mediated intestinal pathologies and anxiety in rats. - PubMed - NCBI
Oral treatment with L-lysine and L-arginine reduces anxiety and basal cortisol levels in healthy humans. - PubMed - NCBI
A diet fortified with L-lysine and L-arginine reduces plasma cortisol and blocks anxiogenic response to transportation in pigs. - PubMed - NCBI

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Hey y'all. I probably have primary or secondary Hypogonadism and whenever I eat or use something which has effects in the testicles (like pomegranate ot vitamin D) my left ball starts to hurt all the time with this cold pain and a numbness as if a nerve in my groin or ball is constructed. It subsides with mental distraction, partly while sitting or a night sleep. My Hypogonadism is AAS induced because I have abused steroids in sept '15 by doing 1 cycle of 500mg testosterone Enanthate in 2 shots in 2 days in the first week, and shots of 250mg each week after for a total of 10 weeks together with 10mg dianabol pills which I took 4 of each day. After my cycle I did a 4 weeks PCT with just Nolvadex, using 50 Mg a day.

After my PCT I felt like utter crap, and this gradually improved but I used tribulus, dhea, a test booster mix and vitamin d for a couple of weeks a few months after my PCT. Then, in around june '15 this almost-chronic cold pain and partial numbness started in my left ball, which appeared at random intervals on a day, and increased when I took vitamin D and phosphatidylserine, 2 supplements I was taking at that time to kick start my HPTA somehow.

I had blood work around june too and my testosterone was 13 with 13 being the border of deficiency on the scale my doc used.

Now to today I still have contracted/atrophied balls most of the time, and I have a feeling my testosterone level is still very low. Also the pain in my left ball has not dissapeared and still sometimes comes to visit me, for example today after I ate pomegranate seeds and took EGCG (green tea extract) capsules. I have done blood work again and I can call my urologist which I have been visiting tommorow or so for the new results, although I still have a scheduled sound echo scan in april, with my result for that and the blood work to be phoned to me by my urologist in may (because I am gonna go and have lower jaw surgery in a couple of weeks and my urologist is gonna go on a vacation).

Could anyone on here, Jackxxx for example give me proper advice as to what to do? And how to get rid of this annoying numbness and cold pain in my left nut which sometimes also is felt slightly in my right nut? Is this a sign of primary Hypogonadism? Please help! It is much appreciated!

edit: Next week tuesday I am getting the blood results.

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There actually wouldn't be a problem switching to Whole Milk. More CLA and Protein/enzymes. I drink it myself.

By the way, Saskman, I haven't been neglecting to walk over Jackie boy here.
I haven't found much (really at all), incorrect, that he has been saying...in fact, most of the advice here he is giving you has been pretty good ...so I haven't butt in much . You know if I thought something was ''off'' I would certainly have made the point, very clearly, by now.

With that being said, more specifics might help as well.
One mineral a lot of people forget about is Magnesium. But in terms of hormone production itself, and endocrine matters, Iodine, IRON, Manganese, ZINC, Chromium, SELENIUM are the most important. They all are, though.

Also, you need more glycine, aspartic acid, histidine, Arginine, CARNITINE...these would be the main amino's in endocrine homeostasis..though Lysine plays the primary ANTI-STRESS/ANTI-ANXIETY Role.

Lysine fortification reduces anxiety and lessens stress in family members in economically weak communities in Northwest Syria
Effect of lysine supplementation on health and morbidity in subjects belonging to poor peri-urban households in Accra, Ghana
L-Lysine acts like a partial serotonin receptor 4 antagonist and inhibits serotonin-mediated intestinal pathologies and anxiety in rats. - PubMed - NCBI
Oral treatment with L-lysine and L-arginine reduces anxiety and basal cortisol levels in healthy humans. - PubMed - NCBI
A diet fortified with L-lysine and L-arginine reduces plasma cortisol and blocks anxiogenic response to transportation in pigs. - PubMed - NCBI

I agree, better switch to ORGANIC WHOLE milk.
In the case of minerals, unless you're curing a specific chronic problem and need higher doses of a specific one, I would advise to include all 60 essential minerals, 16 essential vitamins and 12 essential amino acids.
Minerals MUST be liquid in colloidal state. Otherwise absorption rate is extremely poor and in high doses might even be dangerous. Same with vitamins, they must be organic plant or whole food derived, not synthetic.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnX9iO8ci88

Good products but overpriced. Copied from Primordial performance. I think needtogetaas is behind "ruthless supplements"? The RS transderm is waaaaay overpriced. BPS nutrition carries the original formula from Primordial Performance under the name sustain alpha and the pro hormone one dermacrine.

For good quality Bulbine natalensis, Barlowes elixirs has good quality products.

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Good products but overpriced. Copied from Primordial performance. I think needtogetaas is behind "ruthless supplements"? The RS transderm is waaaaay overpriced. BPS nutrition carries the original formula from Primordial Performance under the name sustain alpha and the pro hormone one dermacrine.

For good quality Bulbine natalensis, Barlowes elixirs has good quality products.

Barlowe's is the best for pretty much any product...and yeah, Need to Build is related to ruthless - but their RS Transaderm product I believe involves one other chemist not involved with the manufacture of the other labeled products. RS Transaderm is fairly unique, because it is a transdermal DHEA/Pregnenolone solution WITH an anti-E complex based on flavonoids; which is rather unique in itself.
Area-1255: Legal Alternatives to TRT; Other options besides Testosterone Replacement Therapy? Without a prescription? OTC Alternatives?

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Barlowe's is the best for pretty much any product...and yeah, Need to Build is related to ruthless - but their RS Transaderm product I believe involves one other chemist not involved with the manufacture of the other labeled products. RS Transaderm is fairly unique, because it is a transdermal DHEA/Pregnenolone solution WITH an anti-E complex based on flavonoids; which is rather unique in itself.
Area-1255: Legal Alternatives to TRT; Other options besides Testosterone Replacement Therapy? Without a prescription? OTC Alternatives?

Well, DHEA could be suppressive for some people. I prefer the original sustain alpha mix which is completely hormone free.

Nathan chase (needto) has been involved in tons of controversy throughout the years in multiple forums regarding the quality of his products. Ive been around bodybuilding forums for well over a decade.

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Well, DHEA could be suppressive for some people. I prefer the original sustain alpha mix which is completely hormone free.

Nathan chase (needto) has been involved in tons of controversy throughout the years in multiple forums regarding the quality of his products. Ive been around bodybuilding forums for well over a decade.

Yeah, well, a lot of high-ranking people have had controversy and competing minds who have swore that they are scammers, or 'garbage'...doesn't mean they are necessarily illegitimate.
As had been once said.
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Yeah, well, a lot of high-ranking people have had controversy and competing minds who have swore that they are scammers, or 'garbage'...doesn't mean they are necessarily illegitimate.
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Have his products been third party tested for authenticity?