Weight gain ,Old style

[Pegasus AdministratorPE Gym EditorPEGym Hero ☺ Admin of the Month Mar 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close Pegasus]

The current merhod to bulk up seems to be train heaps ,eat heaps, take heaps of drugs.
This works well, but not everyone wants to take heaps of drugs. If drugs are not taken and the train heaps ,eat heaps is followed ,it doesn't work well for a significant number of people. They will be told to eat more and train more ,when this doesn't work they will be told the same again. This can lead to illness, sometimes serious.

The old time physical culture guys ,gained without drugs. Some of their knowledge is in danger of being lost, due to the endemic use of drugs.

One thing they did when trying to gain weight ,was cut down on calories burnt. These guys were very active and often had physical jobs. Cuting down on calorie burn ,allowed more calories and energy for growth. Now this is energy that has allready been absorbed and so does not put extra stress on the system to digest etc.
Keeping a calm mind during weight gain cycle was something they often stressed. Nerves and anxiety were to be avoided. These burn energy and were regarded as particularly negative at this time.
Training was abreviated ,heavy and hard. Fewer exercises and sets were done and the big exercises were the order of the day, so squats ,deadlifts ,bench and overhead presses. These were done through a full range of motion.
They certainly eat a lot at this time and food was from a wide variety of sources. This included fruit and vegatables ,milk was a favourite. More meals per day were eaten to allow better absorbation, after training was a favourite time for smoothies, made from milk ,bananas,eggs and protein supplement. Modern research shows they were on the right track and this is a great time to take in protein and especially carbs for energy increase.

[Boitim2 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Boitim2]

Don't forget sleep, you need alot of it. Your body repairs damage while you sleep, lots of hormones are released during your sleep.

[BigO AdministratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close BigO]

Nice stuff pegasus. To many want it quick and easy. There are many things that have been forgotten. I use to eat 6 meals a day when I was bulking up and my protien intake was pretty insane, I also ate many carbs, the slow burning kind and it worked well. I think for a few years I lived on tuna, chicken breast, eggs and milk along with protien shakes.
The carbs were many yams, oatmeal, whole grains, and what ever else I could get. I also ate vegatables trying to get a variety of different colors like reds, greens, yellows and orange.

[Grod69 Member Find all posts View Profile Close Grod69]

You could lift all you want and eat just McDonalds and you wouldn't gain. Eat proteins complex carbs vitamins and omegas! Sleep is important but diet is approximately 90% of the battle. While bulking don't be scared to cheat a little, but also don't eat crappy food all the time. Hard work and dedication is the key, this is not just in the gym, but outside as well.

[snakehead Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close snakehead]

I always wanted to gain weight(165Lbs.) and i tried everything except the sauce , I took a trip to New Orleans for 7 weeks and came back 190lbs.

Came down with a host of injuries from added weight , Knees , Back , Joints , shoulders ..Be careful what you wish for you just might get it.

Now i try and stay shredded at 170Lbs.

The girls will wet their panties and can wash 'em on my abs if they want.

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Hmm 190 lb bodyweight should not cause problems. I had a friend who was a heavyweight judo competitor, when competing he was anything from 275lb to over 330 lb,he trained hard and worked as a concreator. Then he gave up training and got an office job, he was up over 200kg (440lb),that caused some issues.

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Was it here I was reading about the GOMAD diet? Gallon of milk a day? If not check it out. What do you think?

http://jcdfitness.com/2010/04/gomad-...-for-everyone/

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This is the ear heaps part and it is often teamed with the sort of weight training I described.
However the limit calories out is not mentioned and the relaxed mind rarely.
When I first started to try to gain weight I was told to drink milk and crash weight gain. This worked well and I gained 15lb. I was drinking 2 or 3 pints a day. When I tried another gain cycle I had linited success. I was told to eat more and drink more milk. Again limited success, I was drinking 4 pints at this point. I was told to eat more and drink more milk, no success ,I was told eat more drink more milk.
This went on for a long and unsuccessfull time and I was drinking a gallon of milk a day and weighed 165lb. That was on top of a lot of food btw. Very fustrating.
Of course most guys would gain a ton of fat on Gomad, so no good for them either.

So to sum up, simply eating more does not work for everyone . You may need to change your training and other activities. You may need to rest more, sleep more ,relax more .

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It all depends on your goals. The same principles have been used for decades in the bodybuilding community. Thermodynamics is a main part of how the human carbon unit works. If you need to gain weight, energy that comes in has to be more than energy that comes out. No matter if you rest or not, the principle is the same.

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Hmm 190 lb bodyweight should not cause problems. I had a friend who was a heavyweight judo competitor, when competing he was anything from 275lb to over 330 lb,he trained hard and worked as a concreator. Then he gave up training and got an office job, he was up over 200kg (440lb),that caused some issues.

It does when you are trying to move like you were at 165 , Sk8 , Gymnastics ..High impact sports.

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It does when you are trying to move like you were at 165 , Sk8 , Gymnastics ..High impact sports.

It's not a issue, if your used to being over 200.

But I have Sprained ankle(s) many many times.

2 times on my left foot.
3 times on my right foot.

(one time both at the same time)

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I think the body has linits on how much food it can absorb.

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I think the body has linits on how much food it can absorb.

Is not the food itself, is the nutrient. The human unit can absorb massive amounts when properly dosed. If somebody needs for example 5,000 cals a day, and he decides to eat the whole 5,000 in one meal, probably 4,000 will go to waste and the body will absorb just 1,000 in nutrients. On the other hand, if those same 5,000 cals are spread in 6-7 meals, the body will assimilate almost completely.

Some young guys trying to bulk up. give the most importance to protein intake. Which is correct. However, that doesn't mean you can eat 100 grams of protein at a time. The body can assimilate and absorb 50-60 grams at a time, depending also on the quality of protein ingested.

It all comes down to thermodynamics. To grow, YOU MUST eat. No food, no muscle. You can inject all the steroids in the world, without food, there will be no muscle. Simple. Heavy workouts, proper diet and sleep, is a triangle that cannot be sacrificed when it comes to building muscle.

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My experience is that there are limits on how much food can be absorbed even over 5 meals. We might be talking about amount over 5,000 calories though.

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My experience is that there are limits on how much food can be absorbed even over 5 meals. We might be talking about amount over 5,000 calories though.

Again all comes down to energy consumption. Michael Phelps for example, while training before the Olympics, had a diet of 10,000-12,000 calories a day. Of course if I use that amount of calories with my regular daily workout routine, I'm going to either become obese, or shit out in the crapper more than half of it. But in his case, he was swimming 8-10-12 hours a day. In the water, the body burns calories at a faster pace than on land. So his body NEEDED that amount of fuel. Plain thermodynamics.