Pelvic Muscles and Erection strength/reliability - venous leak cure?

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[Pegasus AdministratorPE Gym EditorPEGym Hero ☺ Admin of the Month Mar 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close Pegasus]

Hmmm ,something for our members with these sort of issues.
The dysfunction is unlikely to be from overwork, some of our members do heavy workouts on these muscles and have fantastic function.

[Big Al AdministratorPEGym EditorMale Enhancement Coach Rep.PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Big Al]

It's my honest opinion that the majority of men claiming this affliction are doing so due to the hysteria from the latest rounds of posts.

[gorgonator Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close gorgonator]

moxsum: I just wrote a thread about this as I too have experienced the same issues. I have yet to get treatment as i've only experienced serious pain in them for a couple days now, but i'm sure this problem, something i probably thought was venous leak before for a while, is coming from my constricted muscles in the preineal area and a potential pudendal nerve entrapment. please read my thread entitled "Pelvic muscles - intersting should read!". It annoys me that people are not taking this seriously because i think its a real issue.

To Big Al: maybe some people are misdiagnosing themselves, but i think it is something that should be taken seriously. I did not even read any of the posts that would suggest this before writing mine (I know that's irresponsible and bad etiquette as a forum member and i apologize) but that is proof that i came to the same conclusion as others may have without being influenced by these threads.

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To Big Al: maybe some people are misdiagnosing themselves, but i think it is something that should be taken seriously. I did not even read any of the posts that would suggest this before writing mine (I know that's irresponsible and bad etiquette as a forum member and i apologize) but that is proof that i came to the same conclusion as others may have without being influenced by these threads.

I agree 100%. This is a very serious issue. The point that I was trying to make is that it can be easy to fall into the trap of psychological ED if you're already anxious about your performance. Imaging coming to a forum with erectile difficulties and discovering all sort of weird maladies that you may possibly (but not likely) be suffering from.

You can see how some people would freak out about this, and it's quite evident when these posts happen in clusters

[gorgonator Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close gorgonator]

I agree 100%. This is a very serious issue. The point that I was trying to make is that it can be easy to fall into the trap of psychological ED if you're already anxious about your performance. Imaging coming to a forum with erectile difficulties and discovering all sort of weird maladies that you may possibly (but not likely) be suffering from.

You can see how some people would freak out about this, and it's quite evident when these posts happen in clusters

Yeah, I agree with you and actually edited my long post on the subject because i didn't want to create any hysteria, i was concerned though with educating people from what i've read so far out there.

moxsum: I am very interested in your pelvic floor therapy since I am about to undergo this treatment. I hope i can find a specialist though and do not want some half-assed physiotherapist rummaging around in my anus not knowing what they are doing lol.

You seem quite educated on the matter and would like to know your results. out of curiosity have you read or heard of the books "heal pelvic pain" and "a headache in the pelvis"? they are what lead me to this too. I am experiencing some severe ED at the moment at age 24 and know this is not normal (it isn't mental at all right now). The nerves and feeling is completely different without any PE and can't hold an erection, let alone get a decent one, to save my life. without writing a whole story about how this happened, there are certainly causes, including sitting for very long periods of time (months). I am also experiencing nerve pain, where i cannot sit down really without discomfort, some urinary pressure, and a few other symptoms in that area (maybe you too with the so called "prostatitis").

I don't know where you live. I'm in Ottawa, and hopefully can find some sort of a pelvic floor specialist who deals with male ED to help me out here!

[hendra Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close hendra]

Hey guys,

I'm Hendra,also get the same problem like you venous leak,is it any progress of pelvic massage?

[obitoo Banned Find all posts View Profile Close obitoo]

It's a very real problem. I suffered from misdiagnosed epididymitis and prostatitis for several months and was continuously prescribed strong antibiotics for absolutely no reason whatsoever, all this coming from some of the "best urologists in New York City". The simple truth is that modern mainstream medicine do what is easy, cheap and fast - in that order. It's much easier to write people drug prescriptions than to actually follow through with some real tests and doctor work.

Get yourself familiar with the Stanford Protocol and all of the research they are doing. Check out Headache in the Pelvis and Heal Pelvic Pain. If you can get to a pelvic floor specialist for physical therapy, all the better. It may even be essential. Diagnosis should be pretty simple for any doctor who gives half of a shit. Give a blood, urine, semen and prostate fluid sample. If they all come back clean, and you are in pain or experiencing symptoms, you don't have any infections and likely have CPPS.

95% of prostatitis is non-bacterial, and likely caused by pelvic floor defects. ALL males have defective pelvic floors. We are born with them, thanks to our genitals ripping through them when our bodies develop into a male. After 40 days of harsh antibiotics that thrashed my body, I was then diagnosed with a varicocele and recommended for surgery. After my first two sessions of physical therapy the varicocele disappeared and never returned.

I also quickly learned that my so-called "epididymitis" pain could actually be instantly relieved by massaging the back of my thigh. If you look into it objectively, you'll find that the mind and the pelvic muscles are extremely closely connecting and are in constant communication. For some people, all of their emotions are unconciously processed and expressed with the muscles down there. It can lead to a ton of awful stuff, including erectile dysfunction. I haven't had that issue luckily, but the alpha blockers I am taking to relax the muscles around the prostate are also often prescribed for erectile problems.

There is a crazy mess of nerves, muscles, arteries, veins and glands in the pelvis that are all interconnected and intertwined. Any compression from any of them can easily mess up erections, urine, bowel movements, testicle function, the works.

I think every guy should at least explore it as a potential culprit of any problems down there, even if to just rule it out before taking medications or going under the knife.

pretty good info on this site: http://www.chronicprostatitis.com/

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Have you guys thought of kegels as a rehab exercise ,particularly reverse kegels?

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Have you guys thought of kegels as a rehab exercise ,particularly reverse kegels?

According to the pelvic physical therapy program I am on, any kind of exercise down there is off limits until the muscles are successfully relaxed. Relax, lengthen, then strengthen.

My case is considered moderate/average and we are probably looking at least 6 months of pure stretching and trigger point therapy to get the relaxation part complete. Kegels or any other similar exercises are detrimental to the process, and ultra especially if there is any kind of nerve entrapment going on. Basically the goal is to undo a lifetime of clenching, spasms and muscle shortening. It take a long time and a lot of work.

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Reverse kegels do relax and lengthen , ask if your therapist knows of them.

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Reverse kegels do relax and lengthen , ask if your therapist knows of them.

Are referring to a "bearing down" kind of thing, like the opposite of a clench? I asked her about that when we first started. I assumed if I've been clenching all these years then maybe I should just go out of my way to push in the other direction. She said not to, and that actively pushing in either direction is bad. She gave me a routine to do called the Pelvic Drop instead. It's basically a combo of taking a true deep breath (filling both the upper and lower chambers of the lungs) and then on the exhale you "drop" the pelvic floor and simulate the muscle behaviors which occur when you begin urinating. Which also happens to be when are hard flaccids also fill with blood.

It's actually way more difficult than it sounds. It's got nothing to do with "pushing" or actually using the muscles in any way. You are actually trying to conciously relax a set of muscles that are designed to work unconciously. It took me a few weeks of practicing it 4 times a day to even get any progress at all, and I'm only now just barely able to feel them start to drop. Not pushing with the muscles is the most important thing to keep in mind, so I don't think reverse kegels is going to be a good idea for this. You want to be stretching without using them. It's a strange feeling.

Get the book Heal Pelvic Pain by Amy Stein (she's actually my PT) for a complete program with all of this stuff in it. The e-book is only $10 from Amazon. Well worth it!

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Group Question:

Do you experience pain after ejaculation? As in pain, burning, etc inside the penis and/or urethra? If so, did you experience this prior to coming down with hard flaccid - or do you feel they came together?


It's a pretty bog-standard symptom of chronic prostatitis/pelvic floor syndrome. It would be useful to know for determining whether or not you've got CPPS, and also to be aware that it's a prostate/bladder neck muscle problem that doesn't necessarily have to do with hard flaccid at all. I've had it happening for several months prior to HF.

I know I personally have it in a major way. After ejaculating I have a series of pain that involves a combination of feeling like I have to take a dump with the feeling of someone pushing a screwdriver up my pee hole. I usually have to sit on the toilet and dribble pee for a good 10 minutes. Then need to take some aspirin and lie down and the pain usually subsides in 30 minutes or so.

I am sticking with my prescribed alpha blockers as they are supposed to help this situation, but so far I can't say it's improved a whole lot. It's only been a week or two though and I've heard of it taking several weeks or even a few months for them to really take effect. Giving them a fair shake for now. Anyway, would like to hear everyone's status on this symptom.

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Yor therapist seems to have given you a difficult way to do reverse kegels .
Because what you are doing with this drop is a reverse kegel.
You could have made far quicker progress ,if it had been explained to you here.

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Yor therapist seems to have given you a difficult way to do reverse kegels .
Because what you are doing with this drop is a reverse kegel.
You could have made far quicker progress ,if it had been explained to you here.

Not that you're not right, but she's an MD and a PT and I trust her and have made a ton of progress in her care. If what I'm doing is called a reverse kegel, cool. I don't really care if it's called the "Kermit the Frog". It's working and that's all I care about. I think she just wants to emphasize the "no pushing" part. Beyond that, they might doing the same thing in the end.