The HANS Protocol

[HansTwilight Retired ModeratorPE Gym Editor Member of the Month Jan 2017PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close HansTwilight]

Ok sounds like you have significant back/pelvic and pysc issues which play into your pelvic floor problems. Sounds like you are making progress

Thanks for the quick response. When you say back/pelvic issues, what do you mean? And also I know I've edited my post alot but do you have any advice on the low EQ and PE problems? If you think it mat be better to ask this on the ED forums I understand.

[Pegasus AdministratorPE Gym EditorPEGym Hero ☺ Admin of the Month Mar 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close Pegasus]

The sort of training you are doing often causes eq issues that is rk etc but no k . This can be dealt with after the tension is gone .
Low eq can cause pre e as the guy kegels to try and keep his erection hard enough to penetrate.

Some difficult pre e cases are set off and maintained by pelvic /lower back issues . Some of the physio seems aimed at dealing with pelvic /back issues

[Griffon Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Griffon]

Hi BigBob223

Did you cure your hard flaccid with the help of a PT? I'm thinking of going to a PT next week because of my hard flaccid and overactive pelvic floor, so I'd like to know what I'd be getting into. What kind of exercises helped you with your HF? Did your therapy include trigger point therapy? Also, how long did it take you to cure HF?

Thanks

[Dr. Bateman Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Dr. Bateman]

Yes, I'm currently recovering from an injury and have made great progress with RKs and Yoga but I would love to know how you cured your HF?

[HansTwilight Retired ModeratorPE Gym Editor Member of the Month Jan 2017PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close HansTwilight]

Sorry for not posting. My CPPS has been cured. Amazingly after only about 10-12 visits the majority of the pain in the genitals is gone, and I no longer strain to pass stools. There is also no more pain while urinating. My bladder is also not as overractive. PT was basically a cure for this problem. The key to all of this is a variety of healthy habits including correct posture, stretching, relaxation, but most importantly.....reverse kegeling and diaphragmatic breathing (belly breath combos). The key is to train yourself to RK when you are breathing, doing that will retrain those muscles to relax. When you breathe, inhale through your nose and blow up your belly like a balloon, then exhale through your mouth. RK while doing this so basically as you inhale your pelvic floor "drops" and when you exhale it will maintain relaxation until it tightens again. Do these belly breath combos while stretching and definitely when doing deep squats. (see post #1)

I had a very unique pain in my urethra that would only occur when sitting down because of the pressure on my PC muscles. when I would sit down and then press on the base of my penis I would get this stinging pain that would radiate throughout the entire urethra. It is gone now so I know it's improved.

This had also helped me out psychologically as now my depressive episodes aren't as intense and don't last as long as they used to.


Griffon and Dr. Bateman,
No my HF went away on it's own after 2 weeks. They didn't do trigger point massaging, but they told me about using a tennis ball. I'm not finished entirely with it yet (halfway) but I'm down to once a week.
WHen you go there, you will first discuss your problems and they will teach you stretches and relaxation techniques. It really depends on your circumstance. Just make sure you don't slack off on stretching and you do the homework they give you.


If you have been experiencing chronic symptoms and this forum hasn't helped, I strongly suggest speaking with Dr. Shoskes, he is in Cleveland Ohio in the US but is always excepting new patients. He is the lead researcher and urologist in treating Chronic Prostatitis and CPPS.
Another alternative is the Wise-Anderson Protocol Clinic in California, they are the most popular for treating Pelvic Floor Dysfunctions and things of the like. They also do myofascial trigger point release both internal and external (you may need both).

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Firstly great post thanks for your contribution.

While physio may be expensive; if you can access physio of this quality it is a very good option . Notice that they are on the spot and can see and deal with issues we would have difficulty with like postural problems .
It is only in recent times that physio seems to have reached this level of understanding and quality of practise with issues like this . It may not be available outside of first world major metro areas .

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Important Exercise #3
Since I'm back at home I went to the place that my original phys therapist referred me to. They did another little evaluation and showed me an altered form of the (Happy Baby) yoga pose. What you do is use the wall to prop your feet up and just relax. You can just lay there and do some breathing/rk's (belly breath combos) throughout.
I recommend doing these with your buttocks less than 8 inches close to the wall to ensure your thighs are in the same location as the normal happy baby pose, everything below your knees will be positioned slightly differently. This position is really good and I strongly suggest it for stretching the PC muscles.


Another Variation


They then had me do some of my regular stretches and yoga poses and posture work. I'm coming back next Thurs so I will keep you guys posted.

[Dr. Bateman Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Dr. Bateman]

Wow sounds great! So good to see you emerge victorious from this annoying condition. Good for you!

Forgot about this thread. Shame on me. Thank you for the information. However I'm almost certain I have trigger points around my hips, upper/inner thighs, and pelvic floor. Reading online how to properly attack this, bassically because I can't afford a PT at this point in time.

Again, thanks for the info, the RK whike you breath in feels amazing. Never thought if that. I only did them while breathing out.

Thanks.

Peace!

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I remind guys of the value of a pelvic floor physio if you can access one.

[HansTwilight Retired ModeratorPE Gym Editor Member of the Month Jan 2017PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close HansTwilight]

I have decided to bump this thread because I've been getting a lot of questions on HF and referring people to my signature (this thread). Everyone review the updated literature on here please.

[mikecares Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close mikecares]

how have you been progressing? You said you're pretty much cured from CPPS; are your erections great again?

[HansTwilight Retired ModeratorPE Gym Editor Member of the Month Jan 2017PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close HansTwilight]

how have you been progressing? You said you're pretty much cured; are your erections great again?

I am cured from HF. I still have some pelvic floor overactivity that probably comes with stress. Ironically I do some of the stuff here, but not all of it. Currently the tension is reducing, but is still need to continue squatting and doing happy babies.
My erections have improved since I've been abstaining from masturbation and porn. But they aren't rock hard yet because of the length of time I haven't been kegeling. I also need to work on some bad habits like IKs on the toilet and while edging.

[SuperDude Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close SuperDude]

I had pf issues but resolved them with hindi squat and rk. I have restrained the pf. Is clinching the pc while edging or sex always a no-no or only until thr pf is balanced?

Also i find myself kegeling during urination often, so I need to totally stop that?

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I had pf issues but resolved them with hindi squat and rk. I have restrained the pf. Is clinching the pc while edging or sex always a no-no or only until thr pf is balanced?

Also i find myself kegeling during urination often, so I need to totally stop that?

Only when you have a skilled pf is it ok to kegel, an example would be when you are working on mmo. Try to cut the kegeling while urinating out. There's a theory that kegeling while urinating can cause urine to travel into the prostate causing inflammation.

[SuperDude Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close SuperDude]

I would kegel a lot during urination, i am stopping now but it feels weird not kegeling out the last drops.