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[shane_syndrome Banned Find all posts View Profile Close shane_syndrome]

Or GASP ,they could stop taking roids.

lol i just trying to state that estrogine actually is the cause of gyno aka bich tits

[phallic1 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close phallic1]

I thought I would give an update for those who may be interested.

I have always been an enthusiast of bodybuilding, strenght training and health/nutrition. I am 40 years old and when I was around 22 I reached amateur level competitive status as an amateur bodybuilder. I have followed and studied the subject for many years.

I recently (Aug-mid Sept.) experimented with dianabol. 6 weeks at 30mg/per day. This was a dual purpose experiment with penis enlargement/virility and muscular growth being the goals. At the end of 6 weeks I stopped the dianabol and went on Clomid for 2 weeks.

I was not training serious with the weights, mostly nailing the t-shirt muscles every 3rd day. Dumbell benchs, seated dumbell shoulder press, shrugs, dips, chins, curls and some heavy neck work.

I gained about 15 pounds. Did not see any of the negative dianabol side effects ie. bloating and acne. Most of the gains came in the first 3 weeks after that my body seemed to find it's balance again and results slowed down. The psychological effects of dianabol seemed just as strong as the physical...it was kind of scary actually. It literally felt like some mad scientists Jeckyll and Hyde formula. Powerful stuff for sure.

My penis was heavier and fuller during the dianabol but I did not seem to gain any permanent growth. The "blue balls" I had on d-bol were ridiculous. If I was close enough to smell a woman my balls would swell up and start to ache so bad I would double over. Semen volume and ejaculation force was incredible.

Personality was negativally effected. "Eat pussy, drink blood and jack off" was how my brain functioned on d-bol.

Nocturnal erections and morning wood mostly disappeared while on d-bol. Sleep patterns were strongly effected.

Clomid brought on a complete reversal of d-bol effects. Within days of starting Clomid I became very emotional and sensitive. All I wanted to do was cuddle and talk about feelings. Women seemed more attracted to me on Clomid than d-bol. Depression and other mental issues became more noticeable.

Lost 10 lbs within 2 weeks of d-bol termination. Still not having nocturnal erections or morning wood. Semen volume and ejaculation force dropped...not that I even feel like jacking off.

By the time my system gets back to normal (crosses fingers), I'll probably want to start another trip on d-bol.

moral of my story: Think strongly about the consequences of taking an unatural androgenous hormone.

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Ah yes. Better living through chemistry. (Shrugs shoulders)
Are you sure you want to put your mind through that again?

[phallic1 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close phallic1]

My last girlfriend was dead set against me taking any form of AAS's. She liked the idea of me bulking up but felt that my mental status combined with steroid use would ultimately be a very bad combination...think of Chris Benoit.

For some reason I seemed to always admire high profile anabolic steroid abusers such as Tom Billington (aka Dynamite Kid)....introspect reveals low self esteem on my part...no surprise.

I can definatly see a correlation with steroid abuse and use and problem behaviours in succeptable individuals.

[Pegasus AdministratorPE Gym EditorPEGym Hero ☺ Admin of the Month Mar 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close Pegasus]

So no net gain penis wise and 5lb net muscle gain( if you continue to retain that) .

[phallic1 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close phallic1]

I doubt I will retain the size I gained from using d-bol. "Easy come, easy go" as the saying goes.

I have always believed and still do that gains acquired through natural training (no exogenous testosterone) are more solid and will last much longer.

[JonPop Retired Sr. Administrator PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close JonPop]

I doubt I will retain the size I gained from using d-bol. "Easy come, easy go" as the saying goes.

I have always believed and still do that gains acquired through natural training (no exogenous testosterone) are more solid and will last much longer.

Yup. That seems to be the thinking round these here parts.
Seems like many have tried and the results were much less than expected, for both the expense/side effects and the hassle of the routine.

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d-boll will have you pumped all day, when i was on it i would walk around with a flaccid hard on do you know the power that i felt, when you p.e you walk with a pump but this was strictly a flaccid hard on throughout the day ercections every ten minutes muscles grew quick and nice too..... wanted to move up wieght classes in boxing is the reason i took it when you get off you feel like crap though you need to take you post stuff to level out your test levels...... as far as injecting your dick with stuff....hell if it works sounds great even if it only gives you a quater inch still not bad however i would deff leave it to a doctor to do the injections

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d-boll will have you pumped all day, when i was on it i would walk around with a flaccid hard on do you know the power that i felt, when you p.e you walk with a pump but this was strictly a flaccid hard on throughout the day ercections every ten minutes muscles grew quick and nice too..... wanted to move up wieght classes in boxing is the reason i took it when you get off you feel like crap though you need to take you post stuff to level out your test levels...... as far as injecting your dick with stuff....hell if it works sounds great even if it only gives you a quater inch still not bad however i would deff leave it to a doctor to do the injections

are you sure it was actually dbol because dbol lowers sex drive in most people , not saying everyone but most it does ... you could of been on m1t (its much cheaper for labs to make and most people cant tell the difference )

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i almost forgot about this thread and i've been doing my own independent research anyway heres what I think will give the most results in the shortest amount of time.

>10am-11pm --hang 5lbs?(every day)
> 11pm inject caverject (every other day)
> 1am jelq at 60% erection for 30min and then edge for 30min (every other day)
> then wash my dick and inject Igf-lr3 (every other day)
> HGH 4iu sub q injections (5 days a way)

I hear people inject IGF with caverject but following bodybuilding I know its best post workout

The IGF should be used 6 weeks on 6 weeks off , the HGH needs to be used 6months at least and the caverject can be run as long as you want more length

Results to expect :

month one - drastic change in flasid length
month 2 - noticeable change in erect length and slight change in girth
month 3-6 - length growth consistently at the same rate but girth should be cumming faster and faster then slowing down and staying the same at a certain point
gains after a year - It is not uncommon that people will see about 2inches in both length and girth and up to 4inches in flasid length but the end but results will very just like anything
(alot of us are 6x5 so you would finish the year at 8x7 and I don't think anyone would complain about having that)

(I have talked to others doing this routine so that helped with my research , one other note is that by the end most peoples flasid and erect girth where about the same)

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Oh one other thing I forgot to mention , I only know a few that have tried this but taking testosterone at 500mg a week for 12 weeks at about week 18 would improve the results even more .

and jelquing with andractim during this routine would help even more

If i personally try this routine My goal for 1 year would be something like to finish off with 9x7 by the end of the year , I dont know if 7 around will be to big but ill be happy with it

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Oh one other thing I forgot to mention , I only know a few that have tried this but taking testosterone at 500mg a week for 12 weeks at about week 18 would improve the results even more .

and jelquing with andractim during this routine would help even more

If i personally try this routine My goal for 1 year would be something like to finish off with 9x7 by the end of the year , I dont know if 7 around will be to big but ill be happy with it

Hi.

I am preparing to buy IGF-1 LR3 and PGE-1 for a 6-month-so chemcial PE experiment, much as Iguana did. I've been studying Iguanas reports, which overall are not promising. He may be correct in assuming that his IGF-1 is bad, because, otherwise, his technique appears to be carefully composed and well documented. The original patent describing the technique is very compelling.

I'm an expert pumper, going on 17 years now.

I've also been experimenting with traction for the last four years, but am not satisfied with the comfort levels and force levels I'm able to achieve. I bought the Max-Vac about three years ago, but was not happy with the mount-time, the reproducibility of the grip, the folding that happens in the latex sleeves and consequent pinching problems. Mount-time is really important. I insist on pulling along the erection angle or straight-up along the abdomen while gripping only the glans, coronal skin, and perhaps a little more (another 1/4 to 1/2 inch) of skin below that. Anymore that this and I'm stretching skin not bodies (corpora cavernosa). (I have no interest in stretching my suspensatory ligs anymore, and dissuade everyone here from seeking length gains this way.) If anyone can give me a detailed report on the new Vacu-EXS, how it works, and how it does not work, please do. I really need a good way to do traction (four to five lbs) while I'm sleeping. I have a great pulley-and-weight setup on the wall behind bed, but I cannot use it until I get a comfortable grip. But I digress...

So, I'm excited about he initial report that Iguana posted and about your protocol. Can you give us more details on the amounts of PGE-1 and IGF-1 LR3? I'm assuming you draw some of each of the PGE-1 and IGF-1 LR3 into a single syring, and then inject it at three or so spots, evenly spaced, from the base to the corona, on the ventral side (on both sides of the spongiosum) of the shaft? Is this correct?

Would any of your friends, with real clinical data on their own chemical PE routines and results like to post their detailed protocol (amounts, ratios, injection sites, fequency, etc)? One or more step-by-step accounts with all of these details would be helpful and encouraging to everyone.

[calixto ModeratorPE Gym EditorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close calixto]

Pumper, you really should go to Penis Enlargement Vacuum Pumps by VacuTech and check out their pumping cylinders. I got one back in April 09 and it is incredible! Also, because of its shape you don't even need a latex sleeve, it DOESN'T NEED ONE, its just THAT comfortable. Check it out. They are not cheap, and you will spend about $200, but its well worth it and the best pumping experience I have had after trying at least 4 other pumps. Just make sure you measure and get the one that FITS YOU BEST, because if you get one that is too big, you might risk the usual problems with it sucking your balls up in the cylinder, plus you want it to especially fit tight if you are going for LENGTH, but I am sure you know this, being a veteran pumper. Let me know!

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Pumper, you really should go to Penis Enlargement Vacuum Pumps by VacuTech and check out their pumping cylinders. I got one back in April 09 and it is incredible! Also, because of its shape you don't even need a latex sleeve, it DOESN'T NEED ONE, its just THAT comfortable. Check it out. They are not cheap, and you will spend about $200, but its well worth it and the best pumping experience I have had after trying at least 4 other pumps. Just make sure you measure and get the one that FITS YOU BEST, because if you get one that is too big, you might risk the usual problems with it sucking your balls up in the cylinder, plus you want it to especially fit tight if you are going for LENGTH, but I am sure you know this, being a veteran pumper. Let me know!

Thanks for the link. Very nice gear. I haven't looked at VacuTech's stuff in a long time. I have their electric vacuum pump from circa 1993. Some of my first cyclinders were from them, too. I recently bough a couple of cylinders from NW PumpWorks, but was a little disappointed--stress cracks formed within a week or two at the base of one of them. I was unable to reach the owner, and gave up. On any new cylinders I buy I want rounded corners everywhere--high-radius curves. I don't want the bulge-and-constriction you find at the base of many cylinders (a manufacturing concession). The VacuTech stuff looks great. I will take a closer look after posting this.

My specs are:

BPEL 9.0"
EGB 7.0"
EGM 6.0"
EGC 5.75"

EGC = Erect Girth Coronal (behind the glans)

I have a slight downward curve. This is caused by the same phenomenon that affects most of us: sleeping in your underwear as a teenager. Sleep in your skin and keep you dick straight. A longer penis will catch deep in the belly of the underwear, stress the top of the shaft and create hyperplasia (more cells, length) there, causing the shaft to bend down. A shorter penis will catch higher-up in the underwear and bend backward, producing hyperplasia on the bottom/ventral side. I prefer a straight, thicker shaft, and hope to accomplish this with the chemical PE. I only want on more inch of length, but this is a secondary objective. Mainly I seek more girth (7 to 7.5 uniformly, with slight tapering toward the glans) and straightening the shaft (more growth on the ventral side, mid-shaft, a good place to inject, I suppose). I need careful feedback from people who are doing the chemical PE successfully. Especially, I want to know how badly it can go in practice.

While we are on the subject of pumping, I have been trying to find someone build me a custom two-stage, cock-and-balls unit, but I don't see anyone doing this anymore. No, not LA Pump. I have their two-stage, which is OK to useless depending on what you choose to do with it. I modified mine with 3/4"-deep notches carved into the inner side of the opening, for cushioning the leg tendons. This work involves a Dremmel tool and is tedius, but is well worth it. I don't see how any human can tolerate such a two stage for more than 10 minutes without leg-tendon notches. Anyway, I want a better two-stage, with a completely separate chamber--no sharing with the shaft chamber. The shaft-tube and balls-chamber need to split immediately off the pubic bone. The shaft cyclinder must goes up at the erection angle (45 to 60 degrees off the abdomen in good). The balls-chamber needs to be medium-sized, about the size of two of your own fists pressed together. The corners adjoining the two chambers need those lovely, high-radius, smooth curves. Each chamber should have its own vacuum connector. Am I the only one still doing serious two-chamber pumping? If you have knowledge of specific two-chamber gear, preferably with an option for building a custom unit, please let me know.

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the dosses I would use is 3mcg of caverject and 10 ius of igf ... let me know befor you start