Andractim

[PurpleOnes Senior Member Member of the Month June 2014PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close PurpleOnes]

Seems more like a waste than it would be useful for PE.

[corageon Banned Find all posts View Profile Close corageon]

Ordering it for what purpose? Did you read the entire thread posted above yours?

When people come on here, and their first post is a direct recommendation like that, then stop for a while - it's usually an indicator of their future here. They've already X'd themselves out.
It's amazing how many people come on here to promote it in such a way. AT LEAST post a little more science like we did in the other andractim thread.

Any DHT compound will have little to no results; depending on your genetic androgen receptor density - but also, most importantly, your VEGF and IGF-1 levels. Vascular Endothelial Growth Factor and Insulin-Growth Factors are key and required for DHT to induce ANY penile growth.
It's really common sense, if you know science...you should understand that an Androgen simply maintains proper bloodflow and force, and the tissue growth is experienced during puberty when the androgen receptor is still proliferating.

If you can find a way to increase Androgen Receptors, such as with Quadracarn or another Carnitine analog + Eucommia extract...then you supplement with DHT analogues...while keeping natty T levels high - now you may get some feasible results.
Still, growth hormone, IGF-1 and VEGF would remain important. Possibly BDNF (Brain Derived Neurotrophic Factor) as well.

The problem is, everyone who is using DHT Creams/Gels or supplements, doesn't realize that if the increase isn't statistically significant and above normal levels - it don't mean shit, even if the other factors are in place. You want to keep your natural levels high then go SUPRA.

[CUSP82 Administrator Admin of the Month Dec 2014PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close CUSP82]

Everybody that messes with their hormone levels without being a trained endocrinologist is stupid. Even those guys have trouble regulating hormones inside a human and they have been studying and training for years. To use the net for info on increasing or decreasing whatever hormone you wish to screw up will just exactly do that, screw you up. Oh you may not see the damage soon, but you will later.
I have attended more than enough seminars by guys with more letters before and after their names than I have hair on my head and they still can't figure it out. Maybe they should just google it and get the answers they have been researching for 20 years for.

[corageon Banned Find all posts View Profile Close corageon]

Everybody that messes with their hormone levels without being a trained endocrinologist is stupid. Even those guys have trouble regulating hormones inside a human and they have been studying and training for years. To use the net for info on increasing or decreasing whatever hormone you wish to screw up will just exactly do that, screw you up. Oh you may not see the damage soon, but you will later.
I have attended more than enough seminars by guys with more letters before and after their names than I have hair on my head and they still can't figure it out. Maybe they should just google it and get the answers they have been researching for 20 years for.

Exactly, and body chemistry isn't so simple because what have one person's ancestor's done for years that may not simply be undone, altered or enhanced after another 20? We are talking 500 years of changes in genetic coding > 20 years of living to a certain paradigm. The upkeep is that of the mind - not of individually "modulating" every little bit of chemistry. Besides, while I believe in pharmacological alteration of one's chemistry, unless you know EVERY homeostatic/negative feedback mechanism - and you combine this with impenetrable DISCIPLINE, the results will vary significantly.

[MTGTZ Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close MTGTZ]

I have some good news and some bad news regarding Andractim Gel. Good news first, I am 53 years old. I had a receding hair line, new hair has grown in without any extra vitamins or minerals. Sex drive? Way up! GF is very satisfied! Muscle tone is back with little effort at the gym Morning wood? It varies. Sometimes ya feel like a nut, sometimes ya don't. My 20's and 30's are long gone! lol. Extra sleep is good too. That in itself makes the wood harder. Energy and stamina? That's back along with a stronger erection! Now the bad news. I have received no gains in length from this treatment. I've been applying in the same manner as you for over a year now. I was hoping for gains in girth and I feel as though I have achieved that just in overall male health. Additionally, I have genital Herpes and suffered one to two outbreaks a year. I have not had one outbreak since using this gel. I will continue to use this product as long as it is available to purchase! I am sold on its overall benefit to me! I hope this info helps you!

[Experimenter22 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Experimenter22]

I am a 22 year old male and I've been on dht cream from all saints for about a week now? Gone through one tube already because of the small %, I've been applying about 5-7 times a day and I think it's getting bigger! I thought about growth and thought I would need a growth hormone to induce growth so I've taken 2000mcg of cjc-1295 with dac to give me around 14 days of constant pluses of GH. My girlfriend notices a difference but I will continue for another week and see what's happened if anything, reasons why I think it will work on me is because I started smoking when I was 14 like 20 fags a day! Stopped a year ago, I am not very tall and my hair is mega thick so fingers crossed my receptors didn't grow my penis to it's full potential and the cream + large dose of GH will do the trick!

[corageon Banned Find all posts View Profile Close corageon]

I am a 22 year old male and I've been on dht cream from all saints for about a week now? Gone through one tube already because of the small %, I've been applying about 5-7 times a day and I think it's getting bigger! I thought about growth and thought I would need a growth hormone to induce growth so I've taken 2000mcg of cjc-1295 with dac to give me around 14 days of constant pluses of GH. My girlfriend notices a difference but I will continue for another week and see what's happened if anything, reasons why I think it will work on me is because I started smoking when I was 14 like 20 fags a day! Stopped a year ago, I am not very tall and my hair is mega thick so fingers crossed my receptors didn't grow my penis to it's full potential and the cream + large dose of GH will do the trick!

Here we go again! Every one of your posts now has been a testimonial of the efficacy / quality of Andractim, you must not have a whole lotta common sense.

[not2big Senior Super ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close not2big]

This is perhaps the 10th time I have said this:

Tesstosterone treatments can only help improve growth of the penis during puberty and only for those who are producing low levels of T. The only exception is for those who suffered secondary hypogonadism (low T during puberty). Even then, only a few can benefit from Testosterone replacement after puberty.

[Experimenter22 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Experimenter22]

No sweetheart, I am probably much younger than you and if you read my posts properly and take in the information you'll see that the cream could grow my penis, I started at 5.8 and I've NEVER had anything higher than that, this morning I've measured 6.15, just because you're to old and shrivelled up to see any benefits from the cream don't start slating what I'm doing, thought this was a support site? Seems more like a small penis anger site to give everyone crap for what they're doing.

[CUSP82 Administrator Admin of the Month Dec 2014PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close CUSP82]

No sweetheart, I am probably much younger than you and if you read my posts properly and take in the information you'll see that the cream could grow my penis, I started at 5.8 and I've NEVER had anything higher than that, this morning I've measured 6.15, just because you're to old and shrivelled up to see any benefits from the cream don't start slating what I'm doing, thought this was a support site? Seems more like a small penis anger site to give everyone crap for what they're doing.

Keep up your attitude with members and you'll be watching from the cheap seats!

[corageon Banned Find all posts View Profile Close corageon]

No sweetheart, I am probably much younger than you and if you read my posts properly and take in the information you'll see that the cream could grow my penis, I started at 5.8 and I've NEVER had anything higher than that, this morning I've measured 6.15, just because you're to old and shrivelled up to see any benefits from the cream don't start slating what I'm doing, thought this was a support site? Seems more like a small penis anger site to give everyone crap for what they're doing.

OK, now it's evident the coo-coo train is off the tracks, but out of curiosity , who's old and shriveled up ?
Please, enlighten me.

[not2big Senior Super ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close not2big]

Hey Experimenter!

I may be old but I ain't shriveled. I have actually gained almost an inch in length and girth without the "aid" of a cream. However, feel free to waste your money on creams that the scientific community has thoroughly debunked. Perhaps your "growth" resulted from manual exercises.

[MrB8 Senior Member Member of the Month Nov 2013 Find all posts View Profile Close MrB8]

No sweetheart, I am probably much younger than you and if you read my posts properly and take in the information you'll see that the cream could grow my penis, I started at 5.8 and I've NEVER had anything higher than that, this morning I've measured 6.15, just because you're to old and shrivelled up to see any benefits from the cream don't start slating what I'm doing, thought this was a support site? Seems more like a small penis anger site to give everyone crap for what they're doing.

That is no way to respond to someone who is trying to help you and share his input/experience with you and the membership, respect is mandatory around here, you may express yourself and ideas, but only in a respectful manner, posts like that will get you nowhere.

There is no point in joining a discussion if you are not willing to read/discuss different opinions.

Take your time and read around the forums to get a good idea of this site, its membership and how everything goes.

[corageon Banned Find all posts View Profile Close corageon]

That is no way to respond to someone who is trying to help you and share his input/experience with you and the membership, respect is mandatory around here, you may express yourself and ideas, but only in a respectful manner, posts like that will get you nowhere.

There is no point in joining a discussion if you are not willing to read/discuss different opinions.

Take your time and read around the forums to get a good idea of this site, its membership and how everything goes.

Assuming he is willing to deviate from his fervent discussion of Andractim, the next lesson may not be no where, but simply in a far away land from here. People like this, who run on the board acting like they are the only opinions to count - really have a way of inert stubbornness. It usually doesn't last long, but we'll see.

[CUSP82 Administrator Admin of the Month Dec 2014PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close CUSP82]

Oh trust me he'll come back and be sweet and kind and considerate for the other members. I guarantee it!