The Statin Argument Contiuation.

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Sorry folks its not dead yet, this is one dangerous drug for some people to the point it can kill them, its supposed to be for high cholesterol, but they wont be happy ( that's the drug company's till anyone over 60 is taken it) and the drug company's is one the board that regulates the drug, there are 9 on the board and 6 are related to drug company's, now does that sound fair to you?

Trust me, there is far more to come from me yet.

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Well this is sitting in my note pad so putting it makes for some very interesting reading, its a link.

peoplespharmacy dot com/2014/11/26/all-adults-between-66-and-75-should-be-on-statins-really/

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This I did post on the other thread but if you read down it if you have not its all very interesting, and shows how things are being altered in favour of drug company's.

The truth about cholesterol

By Dr. James Howenstine, MD.
February 20, 2005
NewsWithViews.com

Cholesterol is not really the villain portrayed in the pharmaceutical ads. It is actually a vital substance needed in every cell of the body as it is the chemical precursor from which the body produces bile acids, provitamin D3, male and female sex hormones, and adrenal hormones (hydrocortisone and aldosterone that regulates sodium and potassium balance). Cholesterol is needed to construct the important membranes which surround cells.

The body is able to manufacture cholesterol but is unable to destroy this substance. Cholesterol is removed from the body combined with bile acids. This removal is increased by dietary fiber and diminished in the absence of dietary fiber. Up to 94% of cholesterol and bile acids are reabsorbed and reused when dietary fiber is lacking.[1] This is one reason that low fiber diets may increase blood cholesterol levels.

The body can make cholesterol whether there is any cholesterol in the diet or not. By removing all cholesterol from the diet, the blood cholesterol will only fall by about 20% to 25%.
Cholesterol is dissolved and kept in solution as a flowing liquid when there are adequate amounts of essential fatty acids. The melting point of cholesterol, where it would deposit on artery walls, is 300 degrees F. When lecithin is present, the melting point of cholesterol falls to 180 degrees where it is still insoluble.

However, when the essential fatty acids linoleic and linolenic are present in sufficient quantity, the melting point of cholesterol falls to 32 degrees which is below normal body temperature. Even in the presence of an arterial injury, cholesterol will have a more difficult time depositing with fibrin and platelets on an injured artery surface because the essential fatty acids have made the blood more fluid.

After gazing at a television advertisement depicting an attractive young woman collapse on the street with a heart attack because her cholesterol was 280 mg. % you would certainly be justified in having considerable fear if your cholesterol is elevated. Massive amounts of money are being spent by pharmaceutical firms on advertisements to convince the public that their lives are in great danger if their cholesterol levels are high.

These firms have gained nearly total control over the curriculums taught in medical schools, the articles published in medical journals and who receives research grants and what they are going to be allowed to study in these grants. This control over research expenditures prevents research that might lead to cures of serious diseases (cancer, schizophrenia, HIV, Alzheimer's Disease).

Conventional medical therapy uses drugs which generally have no ability to cure these diseases. Persons thinking outside the box who might discover information that would disturb the current pharmaceutical dogma about diseases will experience considerable difficulty getting funds.

Of great importance the pharmaceutical industry has established the precedent with the state boards of medical license that any therapies that do not use pharmaceutical drugs are quackery which is dangerous to the public and should be suppressed. This pressure to conform to pharmaceutical drug use has caused great personal anguish and financial loss to many innovative physicians who have dared to treat patients with alternative therapies that do cure patients. Often these physicians must spend large amounts of money defending themselves from attempts to remove their licenses.

The current dogmas about treating cholesterol are formulated by a committee named National Cholesterol Education Program NCEP. This committee is a part of the National Institute of Health within the National Heart, Lung and Blood Institute.

Their most recent recommendations (2004) included more aggressive efforts to lower blood cholesterol. The lower limit of safety for LDL cholesterol was lowered from 130 mg. to 100 mg. Cholesterol lowering drugs were recommended for all diabetics and elderly patients with high cholesterol levels.

If implemented, these recommendations would add about 4,000,000 persons to the multitudes already taking statin drugs. (What a bonanza for drug company profits). Six out of the nine members[2] of the NCEP making these new recommendations are affiliated with the drug companies that manufacture statin drugs. Do you think this is a coincidence?

This 2004 call for the "aggressive and increased use of statin medication to treat high blood cholesterol values" would not be alarming if there would actually be many lives saved by these new recommendations. The disturbing part of this information is that there is little credible scientific information to support these changes and there is a large amount of valid scientific information suggesting that many persons taking statin drugs are suffering serious even fatal side effects. Obviously increasing the number of persons taking statin drugs would greatly increase the number of patients being injured by these drugs.

Two years ago Dr. Julian Whitaker proposed to the FDA that the package insert supplied with a statin drug contain information that statin drugs decrease the levels of the critical nutrient CoQ 10 in patients. He wisely suggested. that all patients taking statin drugs should also be taking 100 to 200 mg. of CoQ 10 daily to avoid complications (heart failure, muscle breakdown with potentially fatal kidney failure {myoglobulinuria}, muscle weakness, peripheral neuritis, transient global amnesia etc.) The FDA ignored Dr. Whitaker's suggestion because admitting that there was a danger from statin drugs, even if true, might hurt the sales of statin drugs.

　
Cholesterol Is Not A Major Cause Of Arterial Disease

Several factors appear to be of greater importance than cholesterol in causing arterial disease. Among these are deposition of toxic metals in the lining endothelium of arteries, Vitamin C deficiency, excessive amounts of lipoprotein (a), inflammation in arteries, excessive clotting of blood, homocysteine elevation (hyperhomocystinemia) and dangerous foods.

An important study by Dr. Harlan Krumholz revealed that persons with low cholesterol levels over the age of 70 died twice as often from heart attacks[3] as older persons with high cholesterol values. Most studies in old persons have shown that cholesterol is not a risk factor for coronary artery disease. Approximately 90 % of cardiovascular disease is seen in persons over 60 years of age. Almost all studies have shown that high cholesterol is not a risk factor for women.[4] This leaves cholesterol as a risk factor for less than 5 % of those persons dying of a heart attack.

High cholesterol values protect against infection. In a review of 19 studies involving 68,000 persons low cholesterol values revealed an increased risk for dying from lung and gastrointestinal diseases. Both lung and g.i. diseases are often related to infections. This information was confirmed by a 15 year study of 100,000 healthy persons in the San Francisco area. Persons entering this study with low cholesterol values were more often admitted to hospitals because of infectious diseases.[5] Patients with a history of a sexually transmitted disease or liver disease were twice as likely to develop HIV infection[6] over 7 to 8 year follow up if they had a low cholesterol value when entering the study.

Patients with severe heart failure have high levels of endotoxins and cytokines in their blood. Endotoxins are toxic substances derived from gram negative bacteria. Cytokines are hormones secreted from white blood cells responding to an inflammatory process in the body. A medical team in Germany learned that the strongest predictor for death in a patient with heart failure was the concentration of cytokines[7] in the blood. They felt that bacteria in the gut found it easier to penetrate tissues when the pressure in abdominal veins was elevated by heart failure. Endotoxins were highest in patients with edema and endotoxin levels fell significantly when heart failure improved with therapy. Patients with heart failure whose immune function is unable to respond to bacterial antigens (anergy) had a higher mortality than patients who still responded to bacterial antigens. In addition the mortality was higher in those patients who had the lowest cholesterol, LDL, and triglyceride values. The risk of dying in a group of 1000 patients with heart failure followed for 5 years was 62 % in patients whose cholesterol was below 129 mg/dl. whereas patients whose cholesterol was over 223 mg./dl had only one half this risk of death.

When arteries are examined visually, by xrays or ultrasound there has never been any correlation between changes in cholesterol values and the extent of arteriosclerosis.

Makes for an interesting read, may be 12 years old, see how its all the drug company's who are really behind it all, the same drug company's who give your doctors backdoor payments just the same in the USA.

I come on this doing some research for a guy who is on statins, who's cholesterol has now gone through the roof, funny old world when its supposed to be controlling it.

This did come from this link, but you really do need to copy it and put it in word, as its only 3 to 4 words wide, kind if drives you crazy reading that.

http://www.newswithviews.com/Howenstine/james23.htm

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Hi guys and Girls this you will find very interesting link, when you get down to the bottom read the comments.

One in six patients prescribed pills they don't need | Daily Mail Online

This is another link on how taking statins could give you diabetes, great you giving a drug to try and cue one thing and it gives you somthing else.

sorry but I do not call that good doctoring.

Statins raise risk of Type 2 diabetes by nearly a third | Daily Mail Online

Why must patients be put through this.

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This link is on the other thread so just in case you have not seen it, but there is lots of info on a site called.
https://spacedoc.com/ on click on statin drugs and scroll down to articles, then go across, here click on the first one and just keep going down, be warned there is lots to read all very interesting and all written by doctors and full of facts.

What more could you want if your looking for statin info.

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Hi I'm going to pull one or more pages out of spacedoc.com I think there so interesting and full of facts a lot of you don't really know about.

The Five Faces of Statins

There is no doubt that the pharmaceutical industry would far prefer statin drugs to have but one face - reduction of cardiovascular risk. However, that was never the case and as long as these drugs are designed to attack the mevalonate pathway, never will be.




THE FIRST FACE (Cholesterol Reduction)
Though designed for reduction of cholesterol biosynthesis, a task they accomplish with great proficiency. Recent findings suggest that this face of statin drug effect is increasingly irrelevant to cardiovascular disease risk reduction.

Atherosclerosis, the underlying cause of heart attacks and strokes, is believed to be the result of inflammatory factors that may be associated with deficiencies of vitamin B6, 12 and Folic acid allowing abnormally high levels of homocysteine, the major player in atherosclerotic change, with coagulation defects, platelet factors and selected anti-oxidant deficiencies responsible for most of the rest and cholesterol no longer deserving even a place in the lineup. THE SECOND FACE (Inhibition of NF-kB)
So now we know the second face of statin drugs, the effective face, the face that no doubt has prevented many cases of heart attacks and strokes.

No one seriously argues the positive effects of this happy face but it is anti-inflammatory, not cholesterol lowering. It is a face only recently recognized as the results of long-term studies have been analyzed. Whether your cholesterol goes up, down or sideways, statin drugs work by a means independently of cholesterol. This factor is nuclear factor-kappa B, a transcriptase common to our entire immuno-defense system.
The entire pharmaceutical industry has been shocked by this revelation but quick to acknowledge and adapt to the change for now statins are being promoted for organ transplant recipients and as adjunctive therapy in the treatment of auto-immune diseases. Why? Because they work! These results are sobering, indeed, for statin drugs can work in this capacity only at the risk of causing mischief elsewhere.
THE THIRD FACE ( Consequences of Immune System Effect )
So a third face of statin drugs has been added to its profile - the face concerned about that same nuclear factor- kappa B and its effect on the remainder of our immune system? What about cancer and infectious disease?
We have had 3.5 billion years to work out our defense systems against widely diverse challenges and NF-kB is key to all of them. Whether by being the recipient of a donor kidney or under attack by bacteria or viruses, or having a mutation induced by radiation in our environment, our immune system has evolved a defensive strategy in which suppression of inflammation, triggered by nuclear factor kappa B, plays a vital role. The ability of statin drugs to suppress this nuclear factor kappa B response is to open a veritable Pandora's Box of unpredictable consequences.
THE FOURTH FACE (Ubiquinone Deficiency)
Ubiquinone deficiency is the fourth face of Statins and the one responsible for the most severe side effects.
Statin drugs, while curtailing cholesterol, must inevitably inhibit the production of other vital intermediary products that originate further down the metabolic pathway beyond the statin blockade. The pharmaceutical industry has long been attempting to develop a means by which interference with cholesterol production might be achieved beyond the point where these vital intermediary products originate but up to now have failed. The inevitability of significant, serious and even lethal side effects has been knowingly accepted. Ubiquinone levels plummet when statins are initiated.
Such side effects as congestive heart failure and chronic fatigue reflects ubiquinone's important role in energy production. Hepatitis, myopathy, rhabdomyolysis and peripheral neuropathy reflect ubiquinone's role in cell wall integrity and stability. Ubiquinone's role in the prevention of somatic mitochondrial mutations also is of critical importance; Suffice it to say that it is, by itself, a vast area of concern.







THE FIFTH FACE (Dolichols)
The fifth face of statin drug effect has to do with dolichol availability. Like the ubiquinones, this class of compounds is collaterally damaged with statin drug use. Dolichols are involved in an intricate process of cellular activity involving message transport. Proteins manufactured there in response to DNA directives are packaged into transport vesicles that are shuttled across the cytoplasm to their various destinations.
Without dolichols there would be intracellular chaos as various proteins could not be directed to their proper target and would, in effect, be dead-lettered. The post office analogy, though childishly simple, comes very close to describing dolichol's function as it is understood today.
Since the discovery in 1975 of internally produced opiates, popularly described as Beta endorphins and finally labeled as neuropeptides, legions of scientists have explored the nature and role of these ubiquitous substances. Neuropeptides are biochemicals that regulate almost all life processes on a cellular level, thereby linking all body systems.
Although produced primarily in the brain, every cell in the body produces and exchanges neuropeptides, Called messenger molecules, they send chemical messages in the form of linked peptides from the brain to receptor sites on cell membranes throughout the body. Every thought, sensation and emotion we have ever felt has been dependent upon the makeup of these peptide linkages and they do not simply convey - these peptide clusters are the thought, sensation or emotion in a process we are only just beginning to understand.

It is strongly suspected that disruption of this system by statins is behind the reports of depression, hostility, aggressiveness, accident and addiction proneness and the many suicides soon after statin drugs are started.
Returning to the first face of statin, the cholesterol reduction face, it was only in 2003 that Pfrieger made his extraordinary breakthrough that defined for the entire world just how important cholesterol is to brain function. He found that cholesterol was the evasive substance for which his team had been searching for years, that synaptogenic substance responsible for the formation and function of our trillions of synapses as they service the neurons of our brains. He found that the glial cells of the brain provide for this cholesterol manufacture and of course are just as effectively inhibited by Statins and abruptly, only in 2003, there was finally an explanation for the bizarre cognitive side effects being reported.
Now there is a mechanism for the amnesia, confusion, disorientation, forgetfulness and aggravation of pre-existing senility. The findings of Muldoon claim that one can document cognitive deterioration in 100% of statin users with the right type of testing.

How strange it is that a class of drugs developed solely for the purpose of interfering with the biosynthesis of cholesterol has now been shown to reduce cardiovascular risk by an anti-inflammatory role completely unrelated to cholesterol manipulation.
We now have a nation of patients and doctors convinced that cholesterol is public health enemy number one for none of this recent truth has yet significantly penetrated the hallowed halls of health care delivery.
We have a pharmaceutical industry still committed to pushing the charade of cholesterol etiology. Imagine the billions of profit dollars resulting to them from perpetuating the myth of cholesterol and now when confronted by the reality of inflammation deftly turn their sights towards organ transplant and auto-immune disease.
Of the 2503 patients tested with Lipitor, seven experienced transient global amnesia attacks and four others experienced other forms of severe memory disturbances for 11/2503 or five cases of severe cognitive loss to result from every 1000 patients that took the drug, to come yet, not one word of warning of this was ever transmitted to the physicians who soon would be dispensing the drug.
Duane Graveline MD MPH
Former USAF Flight Surgeon
Former NASA Astronaut
Retired Family Doctor

Like I said its all interesting, the more you read the more if like me, you would go on them.

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Hi Guys and Girls well this one is The Benefits of Statins, If your a non believer like me your know what my answer there is.

Benefits of Statins - part 1 of 2

https://spacedoc.com/uploads/dr_duan...e_m.d._134.jpgBy Dr. Duane Graveline, M.D., M.P.H.
During my past decade of research on statins, my focus has been on the side effects of the statin class of drugs, specifically the impact of statin use on cognitive function, emotion and personality and the often permanent impact on muscles and nerves in the form of myopathy, neuropathy and ALS-like reactions. Those unacquainted with the full range of my studies would quite naturally assume I am antagonistic to the use of statins, yet nothing could be further from the truth. In the past decade I have supported statin use for high risk people and if it were me who suddenly became high risk, I would strongly urge my doctor to put me on a low-dose statin but at a much lower dose than I was prescribed that led to my epsiodes with transient global amnesia.

Statins work to reduce cardiovascular risk but the benefit they demonstrate has no relationship to cholesterol reduction, it is apparently due to their powerful anti-inflammatory effect not even known to science until the impressive work of Ora Shovman, published in 2002.(1) Cholesterol reduction, the mantra for four decades, seemingly has nothing to do with it. During this time the scientific community has discovered the extreme importance of cholesterol to body function, not only for the brain, first reported by Frank Pfrieger in 2002(2), but also for many vital cellular processes.
Instead of being public health's greatest enemy, as we have been brainwashed to believe these past 35 years, cholesterol is probably the most important biochemical in the body. Not only is the cognitive function of our brains absolutely dependent upon ample supplies of cholesterol but cholesterol is the reservoir from which many of our most important hormones such as estrogen, testosterone and cortisone are derived.
Additionally, every cell in the body is dependent upon cholesterol for myriads of vital cellular processes such as lipid rafting, exocytosis and endocytosis, most of which have been delineated only within the past few years, long after statins were first marketed. Why then the use of heavy doses of statin drugs to reduce this vital substance?
My war is not against the statins. Rather, it is against the use of these powerful reductase inhibitors to block cholesterol synthesis when, in the opinion of myself and a rapidly growing body of others, cholesterol has nothing to do with the problem of atherosclerosis.
In the process of reducing cholesterol to lower and lower levels we have managed to create varying degrees of mevalonate pathway blockade. It is this blockade of cholesterol, dolichol, CoQ10, selenoprotein, Rho and normal phosphorylation that has caused the flood of reports of adverse effects from statins.





The blockade of cholesterol is the cause of most of the reports of cognitive dysfunction but it is the CoQ10 and dolichols inhibition that has caused most of the other adverse effects of emotional and behavioral disorders and myopathies, neuropathies and atypical ALS.
A recent study of 112 high-risk men (3) did much to reveal, at least in part, the mechanism of action of statin drugs in cardiovascular disease control. The primary mechanism appears to be that of thromboxane inhibition, although much more study remains to be done.
Thromboxane is Greek to most of us yet we all are very familiar with its effect. Anyone who has noticed a tendency for black and blue marks to appear much more easily while on aspirin knows a bit about thromboxane. So do those folks taking a small dose of aspirin for heart attack or stroke control with the understanding that it will lower the likelihood of clot formation. This is another attribute of thromboxane. Triggered by blood platelets, thromboxane contributes to platelet aggregation and clot formation.

Aspirin acts by inhibiting the ability of platelets to stimulate the formation of thromboxane from arachidonic acid, reducing the risk of clotting. Low-dose, long-term aspirin use irreversibly blocks the formation of thromboxane by platelets, producing an anti-coagulant effect making aspirin useful for reducing the incidence of heart attacks.

In a recent landmark study 112 individuals already on aspirin were given Zocor 40 mg daily with close follow-up of selected inflammatory and coagulation markers. Zocor decreased serum thromboxane by 20 percent (from 1.32 to 1.06 ng/ml). Zocor decreased hsCRP (high sensitivity C-reactive protein) very substantially from 2.06 to 1.39 inflammatory units. Zocor additionally decreased arachidonic acid levels from 9.6 to 5.4 units.
Benefits of Statins - part 2 of 2
Duane Graveline MD MPH
Former USAF Flight Surgeon
Former NASA Astronaut
Retired Family Doctor

Your get part 2 tomorrow.

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Hi Guys and Girls try this link, its an CNN link about side effects of statins.

Statins: What happens to patients who stop taking them after side effects? - CNN

Is it right to be put on a drug, that is to help you but does some really bad things to people, and as you have read, the numbers are now getting higher to the side effects of it, this could be that far more people are coming forward and saying that they have had side effects since being on them.

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This from the UK's daily Mail written by Aseem Malhorte.
　
Yes a very English name, but do read it, and its when you get down the bottom your see the very important peice of information, so if you have a friend, relitive or any other family member on these with any kind of side effects they have had since taking them, ask them to do the two week trail and see if they subside, I think your know what to tell them.

When one of my patients – let’s call him John – recently returned to me with disabling chest pains a year after heart surgery, we both feared the worst.
But after numerous investigations found nothing untoward, we recognised the real problem: his statins. So I told him to try going without them for two weeks.
These drugs, taken by eight million Britons, are routinely prescribed to anyone who suffers a heart attack as they lower the likelihood of a second attack. They have an anti-inflammatory effect, which reduces the risk of a clot forming in the heart arteries.

Statins are also regularly prescribed by GPs to many more patients to lower the levels of cholesterol in their blood, in the hope that it will prevent a heart attack from happening in the first place. They are the most commonly prescribed drug in Britain, with more than 55 million statin prescriptions dispensed last year.
John returned and he was elated. For the first time in months his chest pains had gone. But he now had a new concern: his GP had since told him: ‘You must never stop your statin!’

He was confused. But I was steadfast: he shouldn’t be on the drugs. In fact, I often stop patients taking statins when I believe they are causing distressing side effects, which happens in about one in five of those I see. It may seem cavalier. But in such cases – and there are many thousands – statins do more harm than good. And it is possible to control cholesterol through diet alone, as actress Michelle Pfeiffer says she has done.

BENEFITS ARE OVERPLAYED

Statins do what they claim to: they lower cholesterol. But increasingly the medical profession is discovering that the health benefits of lower cholesterol have been exaggerated.
Two recent studies have cast serious doubt on early clinical trials into statins in the 1980s. These trials overplayed how good for us they could be, which contributed to a culture of over-prescribing the drug. The studies also suggested significant side effects of statins may have been underplayed.

Last month one of the world’s most respected sources of medical information, the British Medical Journal, presented serious doubts. According to its report, GPs have put an extra three million people on statins in the UK over the past ten years – and have received extra funding for meeting these targets.
Yet we have seen no obvious benefit in either a reduction in diagnoses of heart disease. There has, though, been a 40 per cent reduction in the number of heart attack deaths. But while statin prescriptions may have played a role, there have been no studies that prove this link.

Studies have shown a connection between reduction in deaths and the now-routine practice of undergoing emergency angioplasty as soon as someone suffers a heart attack – unblocking the artery with a stent or balloon through keyhole surgery.
Another known cause for reduction in heart disease mortality is that far fewer people are smoking today than 30 years ago. The number of smokers has dropped from approximately 40 per cent of the population in the 1980s to 20 per cent now.
　
There was a dramatic 17 per cent reduction in heart-attack hospital admissions in 2007, a year after the ban on smoking in indoor public places was introduced. It has also been consistently shown in studies over the past few decades that aspirin taken at first indication of a heart attack reduces deaths – as does a daily low dose after an attack.

DASHED HOPES

What of the early hopes that statins would cut cardiac disease by 30 per cent? A 1995 study suggested they would, but the number of sufferers has increased from about eight per cent of the adult population in 1995 to 12 per cent today.
Last month the Annals Of Internal Medicine reported that 20 per cent of those on statins suffered a significant side effect – muscle pains, stomach complaints and memory disturbance – far higher than the one per cent that was first suggested by drug companies.

STOP FOR TWO WEEKS

So what next for millions reading this who are on statins? If you have no trouble with them, there is no reason to stop. But if you, like John, are suffering discomfort, you should consider stopping them for a trial period of two weeks.

Start by seeing your GP to tell them what you are experiencing, and ask: ‘Could this be a side effect of the statins?’
They should be able to tell from your history whether this is the case. Stopping a statin short term won’t harm you and you will know within ten days or so whether it was causing the problem as that is how long it usually takes for side effects to wear off.
　
If a GP refuses, sometimes your cardiologist can speak to them, as I have done. John’s doctor eventually agreed. Even if they refuse, and offer a lower dose, this might reduce or halt the side effects, so it’s worth trying.

DIET IS KEY

My advice to John was to follow a Mediterranean diet. The evidence shows that for those who have suffered a heart attack, consuming olive oil, nuts, oily fish, plenty of fruit and vegetables and a moderate amount of red wine is almost three times more powerful a lifesaving tool than statins.

A recent study involving 7,500 people over the age of 55 at high risk of heart disease revealed that a Mediterranean diet was better than a low-fat diet in reducing the risk of heart attack and stroke. John’s cholesterol wasn’t high in the first place, but he’s lost weight and says he feels better than ever.

Ultimately, we all have to decide how we treat our own bodies. People should trust their doctor’s advice but there is a culture of over-prescribing – that is why the BMJ is running a campaign, Too Much Medicine, which aims to reduce over-diagnosis and over-treatment.

Interventions that focus on lifestyle – stopping smoking, losing weight, eating a balanced diet and exercising regularly – will have the greatest impact on our health.
As doctors, we can try to rescue people from drowning – but it’s better that they don’t fall into the river in the first place.

Or they could try NOWHARDS MIX, its a great way of clearing away cholesterol plaque, your still have your cholesterol going round doing its job as its the plaque that is the real danger.

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In a post like this, where the drug is trying to lower your cholesterol, so I'm adding this in where its saying just how good it really is for us.

https://www.anabolicmen.com/choleste...terone-levels/

There's a good bit about how being on a low fat low cholesterol diet still wont stop your having a heart problem, in fact somewhere your read even statins cant stop that either? something to think on.

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There is a drug being tested that could help those who want to come of statins because of heart problems, read link.

One dose of Trodusquemine can reverse heart disease signs | Daily Mail Online

But NOWHARDS MIX will do just the same for a fraction of the cost, just google cayenne pepper for plaque and do the same with turmeric and garlic, your be amazed, this is why your see me say in ED posts, for good erections as men we need good clean blood, and I think you find its just as good for women as good clean blood will liven up a vagina and get more blood moving around it.

Its just come to me that also honey and lemon is good at clearing away plaque, and you can also add to that fresh or frozen fine ground ginger these are also 3 things I take in either black or green tea.
And also ACV apple cider vinegar is also very good at helping clear away plaque and this I also take.

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There is a drug being tested that could help those who want to come of statins because of heart problems, read link.

One dose of Trodusquemine can reverse heart disease signs | Daily Mail Online

But NOWHARDS MIX will do just the same for a fraction of the cost, just google cayenne pepper for plaque and do the same with turmeric and garlic, your be amazed, this is why your see me say in ED posts, for good erections as men we need good clean blood, and I think you find its just as good for women as good clean blood will liven up a vagina and get more blood moving around it.

Its just come to me that also honey and lemon is good at clearing away plaque, and you can also add to that fresh or frozen fine ground ginger these are also 3 things I take in either black or green tea.
And also ACV apple cider vinegar is also very good at helping clear away plaque and this I also take.

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Drinking black and green tea is almost as good as taking finasteride "Mice treated with black tea tended to have a greater serum testosterone concentration (34.4%, P = 0.50) and had a 72% lower DHT concentration than controls (P < 0.05), suggesting that black tea may contain components that inhibit the activity of 5-reductase,"

I'm with you 100% about controling placque build up.

How much should I ingest of your stack daily?

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Drinking black and green tea is almost as good as taking finasteride "Mice treated with black tea tended to have a greater serum testosterone concentration (34.4%, P = 0.50) and had a 72% lower DHT concentration than controls (P < 0.05), suggesting that black tea may contain components that inhibit the activity of 5-reductase,"

I'm with you 100% about controling placque build up.



How much should I ingest of your stack daily?

Have a look at my post NOWHARDS MIX its on the health and exercise forum As for green tea which I'm on at the moment for a couple of days I grind it down to powder and grind down natural tribulus with it and have it with yes, honey and lemon, so tomorrow it will be black tea at some time, as for my mix slowly build up with the heat from the cayenne your body will slowly adjust to it as you build it up, keep off capsules, I found with them that they suddenly get you and can double you over when they open.

It will either work for you or not, for me its been OK.

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Here we go again, now its kids they want to give it to, if there doctor thinks they could be at risk, not tested but from there family records, so when these kids start to get sick where are they going to look?
　
For me I find it very worrying, read on the link.
　
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-5045167/Tens-thousands-British-children-statins.html
　
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This was my comment in the paper

I find this all very worrying for the kids more than anything, there not doing tests, its all going to be down to family records, so if these kids start getting side effects where will they start looking, will they leave them on statins or take them to see if it clears up, or treat the symptoms and that will mean more drugs, so kids of the future will be just druggies, not much of a life then for them.

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Statins do you really want to go that way, High cholesterol and HBP can be controled without drugs, if your numbers are getting out of control time to change your life, and get it back under control, Im offering two links that will help the fight back to what your numbers should be.
　
One problem worrys me is if they think your in a group that falls into ( they say) needing to be on statins, you have no tests done, it means your ear marked and on you go unless you resist them putting you on them, which you have a right to do.
　
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/high-blood-cholesterol/in-depth/cholesterol/art-20045192
　
this next link is one of so many on how just a simple peanut can help reduce your cholesterol and good for your BP and can help bring down HBP.
　
http://www.peanut-institute.org/health-and-nutrition/disease-prevention/health-nutrition---disease-prevention---blood-pressure.asp
　
So next time you need a snack thinks NUTS.
　
NOWHARD