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    I came across an article a couple of years ago about a possible connection with the shape of a woman's upper lip and her ability to have vaginal orgasms. (Did some searching on the forum but couldn't find anything... may have already been discussed) I'm curious what your thoughts are and if your experiences agree or disagree with this. My wife doesn't have thin lips but doesn't have a prominent tubercle, either. For her, it's one-and-done and only clitoral. It's been a decade since I've been with anyone else and I don't recall any previous upper lip shapes. Here is an article that talks about it off of lehmiller . com. Obviously other factors contribute to the ease or difficulty of achieving orgasm, as mentioned in the article, but could there be a connection?

    Some women have a more difficult time reaching orgasm than others during sexual intercourse. As a result, sexual scientists have begun looking for biological markers associated with a greater likelihood of orgasm in an attempt to better understand the origins of female sexual pleasure. One such marker appears to be the distance between a woman’s clitoris and vaginal opening. Research has found that the closer the clitoris sits to the vaginal opening, the greater the odds a woman will reach orgasm during sex. This makes sense, given that such placement probably allows a greater degree of clitoral stimulation. However, scientists have found some other less obvious markers of female orgasm, and one of those features resides on a woman’s face.

    In a recent study published in the Journal of Sexual Medicine, researchers found evidence for a link between the tubercle of a woman’s upper lip and her likelihood of reaching orgasm during penetrative intercourse [1]. A sample of 258 mostly Scottish women completed an Internet survey in which they reported on how prominent the tubercle of their upper lip was and answered questions about their past experience with orgasms. Prominence of the tubercle was assessed by asking women to “look closely in a mirror at the center of your lip. Compared to the part of your top lip next to the center, is the center A) prominently and sharply raised, B) prominently and gradually raised, C) slightly and sharply raised, D) slightly and gradually raised, E) flat, F) slightly lower than flat?” If you didn't completely understand that question, you're not alone--but the point is that the tubercle is the very center portion of the upper lip and its shape can vary across persons.

    Results revealed that women with the most prominent tubercles (i.e., women who chose option A) had the greatest likelihood of experiencing vaginal orgasms in the past. In addition, tubercle prominence was linked to experiencing more consistency in vaginal orgasms over the past month. That said, tubercle prominence was not associated with achieving orgasm in other ways (e.g., through masturbation, vibrator use, oral sex, etc.).
    An important caveat to this is that no matter how prominent a woman’s tubercle was, she was still more likely than not to have had a vaginal orgasm before. Specifically, at least 2/3 of women in each tubercle group reported having had vaginal orgasms. Thus, having a flat tubercle certainly does not mean a necessary lack of ability to orgasm—it just means a somewhat lower likelihood.

    So what is the point of all of this? Well, that’s not entirely clear. The authors of the article speculate that it provides evidence of a biological reason for differences in women’s ability to reach orgasm. Specifically, they chalk it up to prenatal hormone exposure and argue that whatever hormones cause the prominent tubercle lead to other biological changes that affect a women's orgasm potential. However, there are other possible explanations. Perhaps tubercle prominence is confounded with sex drive, perceived attractiveness, or something else that might change female sexual behavior and, therefore, likelihood of orgasm. It’s also possible that this isn’t a reliable finding because the measurement wasn’t very precise. Remember that tubercle prominence was determined by participants and not by scientists and, in my opinion, the instructions provided for determining prominence were not very clear. Thus, I think these results require replication before anyone starts making inferences about a woman’s sex life based upon the shape of her lips.

    [1] Brody, S., & Costa, R. M. (2011). Vaginal orgasm is more prevalent among women with a prominent tubercle of the upper lip. Journal of Sexual Medicine, 8, 2793-2799.

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    I enjoy sex geekery! I will need to read this later!
    How fair is thy love, my sister, my spouse! how much better is thy love than wine! and the smell of thine ointments than all spices! ~ Song of Solomon 4:10

    For things to change, you have to change.” - Jim Rohn, The Art of Exceptional Living

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    • #3
      End of the day Tank, some women do and some don't and they just live with it and are happy to do so, its us guys who spoil it thinking they must have an orgasm.

      Was the above written by a male or a female? lay odds it was a man.

      NOWHARD

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      • #4
        True and good points, NOWHARD. I was just curious if there was any actual correlation. It got me wondering.

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        • #5
          I could upload my mouth and confirm I orgasm with about 2 mins of sexual contact?
          Women were created from the rib of man to be beside him, not from his head to top him, nor from his feet to be trampled by him, but from under his arm to be protected by him, near to his heart to be loved by him.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Tara123 View Post
            I could upload my mouth and confirm I orgasm with about 2 mins of sexual contact?
            Haha. I don't think anyone would argue against it. Anything in the article/theory that you, as a woman, see as being plausible?

            Just realized I didn't finish writing my thought before posting. Right on track with how the rest of the day's been. Anyways, if you were being serious, I think it'd be interesting to see. Or if you wouldn't mind at least saying whether or not your lip shape matches the theory.
            tank0909
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            Last edited by tank0909; 03-19-2019, 04:29 PM.

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            • #7
              Well the clit and opening makes complete sense as the clit internally the shape of a turkey wishbone, running either side of the opening.

              I cant think of any link between the dent above your upper lip and vagina!?
              Women were created from the rib of man to be beside him, not from his head to top him, nor from his feet to be trampled by him, but from under his arm to be protected by him, near to his heart to be loved by him.

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              • #8
                Most women can vaginal orgasm I don't think it requires anything special re shape.

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                • #9
                  Well my wife should have a monster tubercle but she doesn't. Of course she's not of Scottish decent either. It's like saying a guy's dick size is related to foot, nose and height size. I was below average in all those areas but did still have an average size dick to begin with.
                  To totally satisfy a woman sexually is not about having a large penis, it's about being a good lover.

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                  • #10
                    I havn't noticed any connection between location of clit and orgasm . I will say a larger clit seems to help.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Tara123 View Post
                      I could upload my mouth and confirm I orgasm with about 2 mins of sexual contact?
                      I think there should be some tests done on your claim, how many names would you like put forward as testers?

                      NOWHARD

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                      • #12
                        I found with the wife on top and her legs inside mine, this equals lots of orgasms, as she is locked in tight and gets lots of pressure, the only lips there are vaginal ones.

                        NOWHARD

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                        • #13
                          This is from the cited work in the original post. I read elsewhere that it could be an evolutionary thing showing fertility or something of that nature. Do I believe any of it is true? I'm skeptical of everything, but... It'd be a lot cooler if it was.


                          INTRODUCTION:

                          Recent studies have uncovered multiple markers of vaginal orgasm history (unblocked pelvic movement during walking, less use of immature psychological defense mechanisms, greater urethrovaginal space). Other markers (perhaps of prenatal origin) even without obvious mechanistic roles in vaginal orgasm might exist, and a clinical observation led to the novel hypothesis that a prominent tubercle of the upper lip is such a marker.
                          AIMS:

                          To examine the hypothesis that a prominent tubercle of the upper lip is associated specifically with greater likelihood of experiencing vaginal orgasm (orgasm elicited by penile-vaginal intercourse [PVI] without concurrent masturbation).

                          METHODS:

                          Women (N = 258, predominantly Scottish) completed an online survey reporting their frequencies of various sexual activities and corresponding orgasms, age, and the prominence of the tubercle of their upper lip. Social desirability response bias was also assessed.
                          MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES:

                          Multivariate associations of lip tubercle prominence with vaginal orgasm (ever and past month consistency) and with orgasm by other means.

                          RESULTS:

                          A prominent and sharply raised lip tubercle was associated with greater odds (odds ratio = 12.3) of ever having a vaginal orgasm, and also with greater past month vaginal orgasm consistency (an effect driven by the women who never had a vaginal orgasm), than less prominent lip tubercle categories. Lip tubercle was not associated with social desirability responding, or with orgasm triggered by masturbation during PVI, solitary or partner clitoral or vaginal masturbation, vibrator, or cunnilingus.

                          CONCLUSIONS:

                          The results are discussed in light of the unique nature of vaginal orgasm and the possibility of prenatal developmental influences.




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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by NOWHARD View Post
                            I found with the wife on top and her legs inside mine, this equals lots of orgasms, as she is locked in tight and gets lots of pressure, the only lips there are vaginal ones.

                            NOWHARD
                            Sounds like fun. I know what I'm doing tonight.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by tank0909 View Post
                              This is from the cited work in the original post. I read elsewhere that it could be an evolutionary thing showing fertility or something of that nature. Do I believe any of it is true? I'm skeptical of everything, but... It'd be a lot cooler if it was.


                              INTRODUCTION:

                              Recent studies have uncovered multiple markers of vaginal orgasm history (unblocked pelvic movement during walking, less use of immature psychological defense mechanisms, greater urethrovaginal space). Other markers (perhaps of prenatal origin) even without obvious mechanistic roles in vaginal orgasm might exist, and a clinical observation led to the novel hypothesis that a prominent tubercle of the upper lip is such a marker.
                              AIMS:

                              To examine the hypothesis that a prominent tubercle of the upper lip is associated specifically with greater likelihood of experiencing vaginal orgasm (orgasm elicited by penile-vaginal intercourse [PVI] without concurrent masturbation).

                              METHODS:

                              Women (N = 258, predominantly Scottish) completed an online survey reporting their frequencies of various sexual activities and corresponding orgasms, age, and the prominence of the tubercle of their upper lip. Social desirability response bias was also assessed.
                              MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES:

                              Multivariate associations of lip tubercle prominence with vaginal orgasm (ever and past month consistency) and with orgasm by other means.

                              RESULTS:

                              A prominent and sharply raised lip tubercle was associated with greater odds (odds ratio = 12.3) of ever having a vaginal orgasm, and also with greater past month vaginal orgasm consistency (an effect driven by the women who never had a vaginal orgasm), than less prominent lip tubercle categories. Lip tubercle was not associated with social desirability responding, or with orgasm triggered by masturbation during PVI, solitary or partner clitoral or vaginal masturbation, vibrator, or cunnilingus.

                              CONCLUSIONS:

                              The results are discussed in light of the unique nature of vaginal orgasm and the possibility of prenatal developmental influences.



                              Hmm online survey raises doubt right there .
                              What uni or research institute did this study ? Who were the researchers what are their quals and background ?

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