You can't just be the man when you masturbate.. you're also the woman

[stoppe Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close stoppe]

So i've written a similar topic a while ago but this thought keeps pestering me. Sex is for two people, there is no such thing as "solo sex", it goes against the very purpose and existence of sex. Sex is a paired activity and the sexual organs are differentiated (penis and a vagina) because of that.


Now, what happens when you masturbate? More importantly, who are you when you masturbate? If you fuck your bed or something else, you are at least a separate entity fucking something. (not that it's normal or anything)


But when you actually stroke your dick? You're aroused and you're actually stroking a dick while you're being aroused. And your dick is being caressed by a man's hand. No woman is present.


You might instinctively think "wait, i'm thinking about a woman so that makes it ok"... well, if you were to fuck your cat while thinking of a woman.. would that make it ok? Wouldn't that make you a zoophile?


Because that's all there is to it really, the argument is that "i'm thinking about something, therefore that's what actually happens". But that is actually incorrect.


Consider the following situations:

1. What if you were riding a bike and you would imagine you're driving a motorbike? Would you actually stand by the affirmation "I'm actually driving a motorbike"?
2. What if you used Monopoly's paper money and went to your local grocery store and demanded to pay with them because you think those are real money?
3. What if you ate a chicken sandwich but you thought you are eating an ice-cream? What would you actually be eating? A chicken sandwitch OR an ice-cream?

The more I look into masturbation the more it seems like a psychotic-like behavior.




It's irrelevant what you're thinking, it's important what you're actually doing. And you're sexually aroused AND stroking a dick. And your dick is stroked by a man, which also makes it gay. If you don't think it's gay, you should be perfectly fine sucking your own dick. (hopefully you're not)




I genuinely believe masturbation is at the root of all this gender confusion (transgender) and so much more. It's just a completely abnormal act and it just makes no sense.


Don't get me wrong, i don't advocate for semen retention or sexual abstinence, i think a healthy and happy sex life is essential to a person's well being.

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No ,

[Ultimate Burrito Moderator Member of the Month Oct 2017PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Ultimate Burrito]

Interesting perspective. What's your take on video chatting and mutual masturbation with a lady friend a.k.a. cyber sex?

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I am at a loss of words

[stoppe Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close stoppe]

No ,

Why not though?

Interesting perspective. What's your take on video chatting and mutual masturbation with a lady friend a.k.a. cyber sex?

Any time you masturbate you associate sexual arousal with stroking a penis.

It's very straight forward actually, most people think sucking your own dick (autofellatio) is very wrong and gay (and they would be 100% correct), yet they rationalize that stroking your own dick is someway not gay at all.

I am at a loss of words

Why?

[tank0909 Senior Member Member of the Month Jan. 2019 Find all posts View Profile Close tank0909]

Interesting. It's along the same lines of argument as "Are you gay if you suck your own dick?" Personally, I don't believe any form of self-pleasure steers one towards a preference. I believe the converse to be true. If you like things in your butt... you're going to put things in your butt. If you don't... you won't. Whether or not that thing is attached to a man depends on your preference. And just because you like to put things in your butt doesn't mean you want some dude pounding away at you. Take lesbians for example... They have vaginas. Vaginas like to be penetrated. But lesbians aren't attracted to men. I bet quite a few men like the feeling of their dicks in their hands while they masturbate, but they don't want to have someone else's dick in their hand.

(maybe I should have waited until after my 2nd cup of coffee to write this... oh well... here we go.)

[stoppe Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close stoppe]

Interesting. It's along the same lines of argument as "Are you gay if you suck your own dick?" Personally, I don't believe any form of self-pleasure steers one towards a preference.

Yes, that's obviously gay. The thing is, there is no difference between "self-pleasure" and "non-self-pleasure".

If you were to be sexually aroused and sensually stroke a massive warm and lubricated dildo, would that be non-gay cause you're still "self-pleasuring" and no other person is involved?

Is penetrating yourself with a dildo not-gay cause it's "self-pleasure"?

Is sucking on a dildo not-gay cause it's "self-pleasure"?

Gay or non-gay aside, anyone who thinks stroking his dick is fine should be also 100% comfortable with sucking his own dick because the same principle would apply, yet 99% of men would never suck their own dick (and not because it's physiologically difficult but because they're weirded out and grossed out by it). Tell them they'd have to swallow too and they'll be even more weirded out, when in fact they should be just fine to do it if they're fine with masturbation.

In masturbation you pretend your hand is the woman's vagina etc, so then in autofellatio you should pretend it's the woman's mouth. (not that i condone the behavior in any shape or form)

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Don't get me wrong, i don't advocate for semen retention or sexual abstinence, i think a healthy and happy sex life is essential to a person's well being.

Masturbation is a part of life for males and females, so why should we stop this old age practice, if you do great enjoy yourself and let us very normal people just carry on with out lives.

End of it.

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Masturbation is a part of life for males and females, so why should we stop this old age practice, if you do great enjoy yourself and let us very normal people just carry on with out lives.

That is actually a myth. Masturbation has been seen as unacceptable by most populations all over the world, aside from Abrahamic religions (Christianity/Judaism/Islam) - hindus considered it abnormal, so did the chinese and they weren't even religious per se. So did the Aztecs for example, that were completely cut out from the rest of the world. Yes, some cultures approved it but most did not. Also, just because there were representations of it does not mean it was approved.

There are also tribes that don't even have a word for masturbation and they can't do it because they don't know how to.

The argument that "masturbation is part of a healthy lifestyle" is just something extremely new invented by the "Sexual revolution" in the US in the 50s.

Also, the overwhelming majority of animals don't masturbate and in the very rare cases they do, it's even rarer for them to masturbate to ejaculation.

As for primates, usually it's the ones in promiscuous species that sometimes do it. The monkeys that do it mate less and are lower in social hierarchy.

Also, humans are not promiscuous species.

Masturbation happens more now because there's the medium available for it - magazines, pics, vids etc.

[tank0909 Senior Member Member of the Month Jan. 2019 Find all posts View Profile Close tank0909]

Yes, that's obviously gay. I disagree

The thing is, there is no difference between "self-pleasure" and "non-self-pleasure". Yes there is. Asking your significant other for a handjob = non-self-pleasure via someone else's hand (because you asked for the handjob...)

If you were to be sexually aroused and sensually stroke a massive warm and lubricated dildo, would that be non-gay cause you're still "self-pleasuring" and no other person is involved? Maybe I just have a fetish for stroking massive/warm/lubricated dildos. Doesn't mean I have a fetish for stroking massive/warm/lubricated penises.

Is penetrating yourself with a dildo not-gay cause it's "self-pleasure"? If I'm doing it myself, it's not "gay". If my wife is doing it, then it would be considered a heterosexual act. If another man is doing it, then it would be considered a homosexual act.

Is sucking on a dildo not-gay cause it's "self-pleasure"? If that's your thing.

Gay or non-gay aside, anyone who thinks stroking his dick is fine should be also 100% comfortable with sucking his own dick because the same principle would apply, yet 99% of men would never suck their own dick (and not because it's physiologically difficult but because they're weirded out and grossed out by it). Tell them they'd have to swallow too and they'll be even more weirded out, when in fact they should be just fine to do it if they're fine with masturbation.

In masturbation you pretend your hand is the woman's vagina etc, so then in autofellatio you should pretend it's the woman's mouth. (not that i condone the behavior in any shape or form)

Here's the deal... who cares what other people do? It's not your business. It's not something for you to have an opinion of. It's not for you to judge. Not a behavior for you to condone or not.

You indirectly touch approximately 15 penises a day (doorknobs/handshakes/etc)... does that make you gay? Did you bite your nails before washing your hands after you touched that doorknob?

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I say to each their own, everyone's entitled to an opinion. We don't all have to agree one way or the other. Everyone has their own perspective and no one is going to change what they do or how they do it. We are all convinced in our own mind's that our POV is the right one. Let's just try to be courteous, avoid name calling or labeling and have a healthy discussion.

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Yes there is. Asking your significant other for a handjob = non-self-pleasure via someone else's hand (because you asked for the handjob...)

Yes, so? How does that contradict anything i said? If another person is involved, it's not self-pleasure. A woman giving you a handjob is not the same as you giving yourself a handjob. She is the one stroking a dick when she's doing it, you're the one stroking a dick when doing it.

Maybe I just have a fetish for stroking massive/warm/lubricated dildos. Doesn't mean I have a fetish for stroking massive/warm/lubricated penises.

So if you fuck a silicone, highly-realistic cat, it's not really a problem then because it has nothing to do with the real thing?

If I'm doing it myself, it's not "gay". If my wife is doing it, then it would be considered a heterosexual act. If another man is doing it, then it would be considered a homosexual act.

You are a man and you're stroking a dick.

If that's your thing.

Then you are gay/bi. (not saying you are, it's just the logical conclusion)

Here's the deal... who cares what other people do? It's not your business. It's not something for you to have an opinion of. It's not for you to judge. Not a behavior for you to condone or not.

No, that's not a deal. This moral relativism is absurd. What do you care if they legalize necrophilia if it happens with the deceased person's accord?

I am not judging anyone, i'm stating a logical observation and a fact. What do you care that I care, if you are to be consistent?

You indirectly touch approximately 15 penises a day (doorknobs/handshakes/etc)... does that make you gay? Did you bite your nails before washing your hands after you touched that doorknob

No, it doesn't, please come up with actual arguments.

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Okay so what point are you actually trying to make here?

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Masturbation has nothing to do with your preference in sexual partner.
If you debate only to win you will make up all kinds of goofy and irrelevant ideas and ascribe them as logical.

There is already a logical seperation between objects you interact with and youself. As much as there is a distinction between your sister and a random woman. Having sex with one is incest, the other not so much.
Homosexuality is the sexual interest in other people of the same gender as you, key word other people.

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Like I said what's the point in all this? Self pleasure is bad or something?