Is anyone else worried? (Covid Vaccine)

[Ultimate Burrito Moderator Member of the Month Oct 2017PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Ultimate Burrito]

I am not sure what or who I am legend is

It's a zombie Apocalypse movie

[BigO AdministratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close BigO]

Ah, I will check it out. I'm telling my wife I was told to by a Burrito

[Johnny D ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Johnny D]

It's disingenuous to say that a decline in flu cases was a result steps taken to prevent the spread of Covid without asking why there was also a decline where those steps weren't taken. Influenzas and non SARS-CoV-2 coronaviruses virtually fell off the map in Sweden (notorious for remaining open) and just about everywhere, really. The public health data shows no correlation between lockdowns/masks and a decline in the flu (or stopping the spread of Covid, but that's already been said).

[Fizzby2233 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Fizzby2233]

It's disingenuous to say that a decline in flu cases was a result steps taken to prevent the spread of Covid without asking why there was also a decline where those steps weren't taken. Influenzas and non SARS-CoV-2 coronaviruses virtually fell off the map in Sweden (notorious for remaining open) and just about everywhere, really. The public health data shows no correlation between lockdowns/masks and a decline in the flu (or stopping the spread of Covid, but that's already been said).

Most all flu originate in east and southeast Asia. In China flu season begins in October and a number of months later begin appearing in America South America and Europe. Much due to easy travel thru air traffic. In 2020 the lockdowns in Asia the mask wearing and everything else done including restricted travel tamped down the flu. Unfortunately the monster that is the continuing Covid pandemic had already escaped. What happened in Asia with the flu shows that masks and social distancing works. Countries that are all in on preventive measures like much of Asia Australia and New Zealand are fairing much better than the country who are still fight over the right thing to do even with over 2000000 dead world wide. Until everyone has been touch by person tragedy the resistance to preventive measures will continue. I don't need a family member to die to know that wearing a mask is such a small thing to do for such great good and safety.

[Johnny D ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Johnny D]

Except that, once again, the data shows there is no correlation between mask wearing and case counts. If you feel better wearing one, great. When people prefer that I wear one around them, I will. But I also know that the truth is there's no relationship.

It's easy to point to countries that "are all in" and say the measures must work because even the flu is gone. But, again, that's disingenuous since countries like Sweden and other places that aren't following that protocol are seeing the flu and other illnesses suddenly disappear this season. If "all in" was the cause, why aren't all the others being hammered? No cherry picking.

[Fizzby2233 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Fizzby2233]

One needs to be aware that there is subjective truth and objective truth. I can say I know the truth is that the world is flat and I have not seen evidence to the contrary. Send me articles that I can refute because if it contradicts what I think it is obviously fake and suspect. I put my faith in the science and will continue to do so. Until everyone makes the kind of unified effort that some countries have made the pandemic will continue to grind on us. As long as we each have our own subjective truth about issues of health surrounding such a grave challenge we are fighting a losing battle. I am happy to be part of the solution and on the right side of history on this. That is not meant to sound smug it is the reason I can sleep at night without second guessing my actions or intentions.

[CUSP82 Administrator Admin of the Month Dec 2014PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close CUSP82]

Good to have faith in science but science always changes.

[Johnny D ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Johnny D]

I provided the information on masks already. You rejected it because you didn't like the authors' Twitter aliases.

Here's another recent study on lockdowns https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....28.20248936v1
What's significant about this one is it's a rare case where "all else" was for all intents the same. The primary difference being the lockdown response.
“[W]e find no statistically significant differences between the two groups of municipalities prior to intervention. The strong similarity in infection rates at different timescales before the intervention strongly supports treating the lockdown as an actual quasi-natural experiment.”

Articles that refute the narrative are being suppressed by search engines and news (that's not conspiracy theory - that's just fact) so if you're just doing a search for effectiveness of masks for controlling spread, good luck. They're flagged by Google and others as misinformation. For example, after people kept talking about California being a Covid hotbed and the governor and mayors implementing more restrictions, I wanted to see how the current death rate compares with prior years. That information used to be extremely easy to find. It takes a lot longer and more searching now to get to the answer. Why would that be?! (turns out the current avg deaths per day is actually lower than the per-day avg for the prior 5 years)

[Pegasus AdministratorPE Gym EditorPEGym Hero ☺ Admin of the Month Mar 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close Pegasus]

Success is the best argument look to the places that had success and what they did .

On a lighter note.

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[Johnny D ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Johnny D]

Clever!

The point is that there are places considered "successful" where harsh restrictions weren't in force. People only want to copy the successful places that enforced interventions and ignore the fact that there is no correlation. Another example: In the US we have North and South Dakota - similar climate and population densities. When ND enforced a mask mandate, their mortality rate climbed. At the very same time, SD with no mask mandate saw their mortality rate decline.

I also don't believe success should be measured by Covid - public health has many more variables than simply one virus - but that's another topic.

[Fizzby2233 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Fizzby2233]

It was good to hear Dr Fauci on Meet the Press saying that we need to double down on the health care measures like wearing masks social distancing and getting vaccinated. Yes as the science has evolved messaging has evolved that is actually smart not an admission of anything negative. What may be a shock and awe to some is the fact that these new behavior are something we all need to learn because Covid isn't the last virus crisis we will face in our lives. Yes bummer but true and the more we know and the better we are to hit it head on the better we will fair. If the next crisis is greeted by the same attack on scientically vetted and continually evolving information we will have the worst outcome in the world again.

[Johnny D ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Johnny D]

The problem with that is the blatant disregard for science. Fauci loves to have the microphone and plays to the media. It seems you're willing to believe everything he says despite evidence to the contrary.

[Fizzby2233 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Fizzby2233]

The problem with that is the blatant disregard for science. Fauci loves to have the microphone and plays to the media. It seems you're willing to believe everything he says despite evidence to the contrary.

I have not seen any evidence to the contrary from JAMA WHO CDC. Yes there are non scientific sites with a political bent that present pseudo science arguments. Yes Fauci is a public figure and often asked to be interviewed and lucky for those who have ears to hear that he can be that voice of reason so lacking in public discourse.

[Pegasus AdministratorPE Gym EditorPEGym Hero ☺ Admin of the Month Mar 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close Pegasus]

Umm isn't Fauci the head medical guy who has the most up to date knowledge . So far as I understand he presents the same message as other leading medical authorities .

I don't know where you are geting this other info but I would examine the quality of the source.

[Pegasus AdministratorPE Gym EditorPEGym Hero ☺ Admin of the Month Mar 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close Pegasus]

Clever!

The point is that there are places considered "successful" where harsh restrictions weren't in force. People only want to copy the successful places that enforced interventions and ignore the fact that there is no correlation. Another example: In the US we have North and South Dakota - similar climate and population densities. When ND enforced a mask mandate, their mortality rate climbed. At the very same time, SD with no mask mandate saw their mortality rate decline.

I also don't believe success should be measured by Covid - public health has many more variables than simply one virus - but that's another topic.

Nowhere in the US should be considered a success..

My home state of Queensland has had 6 covid deaths the Nothern Territory has had none.