"Mainstream" PE progress

[wind chill Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close wind chill]

Darn, pretty soon 8" will by the average size as PE becomes more and more accepted.

PE will never become mainstream. If it does, I can assure you, the average won't increase one bit. I mean, exercising and getting fit is very mainstream and common knowledge to everyone, actually. Yet, hardly anyone is patient enough to stick with it to any results, thus, not many people are fit. The average man is not ripped, regardless of how popular lifting weights is.

PE takes a lot more tenacity, work and persistence to see results than exercising, too. So even less will do it than working out. Also, PE is NOT that safe. The more popular it gets, the more idiots who will do serious harm to themselves.....thus, PE will be labeled as dangerous and it's popularity will die down.

Of course, this is assuming we look at the situation logically. If you are just asking what if everyone done PE, then yes, the average will increase. But again, no one will do it because most people are impatient.

Edit: I mean, it doesn't matter how many people you mention PE to, it always easier to just sit and do nothing, than it is to actually work. Even now, I am sure the average PE'er only lasts about a month before they quit. And face it, the majority of men in the world DO NOT think investing hours everyday, for a couple years just to gain maybe an inch, is worth the time. In today's society, people want instant results.

[blink2000 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close blink2000]

PE will never become mainstream. If it does, I can assure you, the average won't increase one bit. I mean, exercising and getting fit is very mainstream and common knowledge to everyone, actually. Yet, hardly anyone is patient enough to stick with it to any results, thus, not many people are fit. The average man is not ripped, regardless of how popular lifting weights is.

PE takes a lot more tenacity, work and persistence to see results than exercising, too. So even less will do it than working out. Also, PE is NOT that safe. The more popular it gets, the more idiots who will do serious harm to themselves.....thus, PE will be labeled as dangerous and it's popularity will die down.

Yes, I think even if PE gets accepted as real, it's likely the dangers will be exaggerated and people will still not be completely open to trying it. I always thought hanging weight from someone's penis was just pure insanity. Like something frat boys do in a hazing, or something bizarre cultures do for inexplicable reasons.

A few guys have been destroyed for life with PE injuries, or some would claim it. I think the danger could easily get exaggerated. it would only take a few guys that are scarred, broken, injured, whatever to make a lot of noise (and create a bad impression of PE).

[Pegasus AdministratorPE Gym EditorPEGym Hero ☺ Admin of the Month Mar 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close Pegasus]

There are roid monsters on every street corner ,a 16" arm was rare when I was a boy. I remember when big John Askov got the first 18" arm in my town,( drug free too) how amazed we all were. A 8" bpel is currrently two odd per hundred guys and 9" plus bpel extreamly rare, this will not remain true.
Pimply faced roided up teenagers tell me I am doing it all wrong in the gym. Expect no respect from large wave (relative to our small number) of future pe'ers.

[blink2000 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close blink2000]

I thought only about 2.5% of all guys naturally have 7.5" BPEL or greater. Maybe I should review some studies again... but that's the number that was stuck in my mind. It mostly matches what you are saying, except that I think 8" may be a bit more rare than 2%. Perhaps I should go re-check a few studies...

I believe only about 1 in 30,000 guys is born with a 9"+ penis.

[Pegasus AdministratorPE Gym EditorPEGym Hero ☺ Admin of the Month Mar 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close Pegasus]

Yes blink , so a relativly small number of guys pe'ing may not change average size that much, but the rareity of 8" or 9" plus bpel will change.
In a town of 60,000 if one guy had a natural 9" plus, then a couple of guys did pe and attained it, you would triple or quadruple the number.

[blink2000 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close blink2000]

Yes blink , so a relativly small number of guys pe'ing may not change average size that much, but the rareity of 8" or 9" plus bpel will change.
In a town of 60,000 if one guy had a natural 9" plus, then a couple of guys did pe and attained it, you would triple or quadruple the number.

Absolutely--I agree that PE will change the average once it becomes public. At least some guys will do it, just like us. I could definitely see having a bigger penis become something popular...

[Big Al AdministratorPEGym EditorMale Enhancement Coach Rep.PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Big Al]

There are roid monsters on every street corner ,a 16" arm was rare when I was a boy. I remember when big John Askov got the first 18" arm in my town,( drug free too) how amazed we all were. A 8" bpel is currrently two odd per hundred guys and 9" plus bpel extreamly rare, this will not remain true.
Pimply faced roided up teenagers tell me I am doing it all wrong in the gym. Expect no respect from large wave (relative to our small number) of future pe'ers.

There's a fundamental difference here between the recent dramatic increase in larger physiques and PE. For one, the "roid" aspect- there's no real equivalent for this in PE (yet). How many of those trainees do you see making those kinds of gains without steroids? As a follower of bodybuilding for many years, I've observed that while much has changed appearance-wise for bodybuilders (due to steroids, GH, and new drugs), few real training breakthroughs have come along. Most of what you see that appears "new" (e.g.- kettlebells, "partial" training, various training regimens) have their roots deep in the past and often resurface every few decades or so as something novel.

Here's another parallel- weightlifting/bodybuilding was once considered purely the pursuit of better health (the logic was that a stronger body equalled better health). While there's been a general trend towards exercising more for health than merely for appearances lately, it can't be denied that many who do take up weight training do so for cosmetic purposes (and the manner in which drugs are used in those pursuits can't be considered healthy at all). Consider how similar this is to those of us that train using a balanced routine (promoting, stamina, control, and size), and those of use that seek to increase using more non-conventional methods (chemicals, hormones, etc.)

Just like bodybuilding had its own "Golden Age", where bodybuilding hit its natural peak of training philosophies, aesthetics, and the beginnings of public acceptance, we may soon be experiencing a Golden Age of PE/male enhancement- which will likely develop much faster than its BB counterpart thanks to the internet.

Here's something to consider for those of us that think that PE is going to somehow increase the average penis sizes around the world. Though today there exists more opportunity and information for people to be voluntarily fit- even through artificial means and shortcuts, most will agree that the average person today in the modern world is less fit than people were just a couple of decades ago.

For now, successful PE requires some degree of dedication and learning. Without those two factors those looking for success without putting in the work typically fail.

For now, you have to put in the work if you want to see gains.

[CUSP82 Administrator Admin of the Month Dec 2014PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close CUSP82]

All you guys have great reasons for and against pe becoming mainstream.From my point of view I don't think it will become much more than it is.Al said it best;it requires dedication and learning, two things we seem to see less and less of!I wish it were not so! If you tell a guy that with pe he'd have a bigger penis in 3 months they would be all for it but when you tell him it maybe a year or two before he gets and inch or so, well he'd think we're a bit nuts! Bodybuilding is different; you can walk around and flex! Can't walk around with your meat hanging out.

[blink2000 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close blink2000]

Can't walk around with your meat hanging out.

If you're a college athlete you're stuck being naked in front of other guys almost daily... And if you skipped the shower, guys might think you were weird or something was wrong with you. I would imagine that models & professional athletes deal with similar issues quite often. If you want to work out on your lunch break, then you'll face the locker room at your local gym--that could be an almost daily thing as well.

Anytime you go to a water-park, or any place with a changing room people would see you. If you got huge enough, you probably couldn't hide the bulge in your pants either--that could be a very good, or very bad thing depending on the situation.

At least for me, I've actually had to face the nude situation quite a bit throughout my life... mostly due to athletics. I did realize some guys were showers and that they probably didn't grow as much as me, but I know they weren't all 8" now that I have studied PE. Back then I didn't know what to think; I knew I was supposedly close to average, but I was still embarrassed.

Generally you can't walk around nude in public, of course.

However, with my life experience, being nude was an everyday thing. I was a good athlete by the time I was in college, so I can only guess that's the reason not a single word of criticism or mockery about my small flaccid was said to me directly (so I was lucky that way). But it was something I was always conscious of.

[blink2000 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close blink2000]

I may have gone off-topic, so I'll just say, if I had known about PE back then, I would have done something because I was having to face being nude daily. Trust me, its powerful motivation

I think athletes would be likely candidates to accept & excel with PE, since that personality type is often patient, dedicated, and extremely goal driven / not afraid to take on a multi-year challenge.

[Pegasus AdministratorPE Gym EditorPEGym Hero ☺ Admin of the Month Mar 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close Pegasus]

Actually Al I think we will see a lot of chem pe in the future. At the moment it is being driven by bodybuilders.

[wind chill Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close wind chill]

Actually Al I think we will see a lot of chem pe in the future. At the moment it is being driven by bodybuilders.

the roided one's will most likely use drugs for PE as well

[Pegasus AdministratorPE Gym EditorPEGym Hero ☺ Admin of the Month Mar 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close Pegasus]

They are allready doing just that, look at our chem pe sub forum.

[wind chill Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close wind chill]

They are allready doing just that, look at our chem pe sub forum.

only 1 page but a lot of idiots on it lol

[blink2000 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close blink2000]

Chemical PE seems completely unnecessary; but I guess guys always want a quick fix when possible.