Wikileaks!

[Stretch Armstrong Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Stretch Armstrong]

I never specifically mentioned the "West", I am against any corrupt entity that is screwing people over. Now that they are being exposed for what they are, they don't like it one bit. Just look at them flipping out, it's almost comical. They are in a complete panic that they are losing control of us peasants.

Nobody is flipping out or panicking about anything. That would be the media stirring up drama if that's what you are seeing. This is just nipping a potential future problem in the bud.

[GTO Retired ModeratorPEGym EditorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close GTO]

Okay folks ... let's try and take it down a notch ...

Anyway, Stretch does have (a little) legitimacy to his beef and I happen to share the concern. There are simply some things that should NEVER come to light about how things operate in government - I dare not call them "simple," but many folk just would not and do not have the capacity to really understand the bureaucratic crap that go on behind closed doors. Look at the case of the CIA agent that had her name/cover blown - incidents like that puts peoples lives at risk and I think that's the thing people really miss. Sure you want to see who's behind the curtain pulling the strings but at the same time, you MUST consider those that are out there in the field in harm's way working to protect the very freedoms you enjoy.

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I think you all should stop and read this>>> What Crime?

It explains that the guy is actually not violating the Espionage act Section 793, since "publishing" is not listed as illegal.

The other side is saying that in Section 794b, the word "publish" is used, and, to quote this article, "Yet this statute applies only to information that is published with intent to deliver it to the enemy, a fact any prosecutor would have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt."

[giveitago Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close giveitago]

Okay folks ... let's try and take it down a notch ...

Anyway, Stretch does have (a little) legitimacy to his beef and I happen to share the concern. There are simply some things that should NEVER come to light about how things operate in government - I dare not call them "simple," but many folk just would not and do not have the capacity to really understand the bureaucratic crap that go on behind closed doors. Look at the case of the CIA agent that had her name/cover blown - incidents like that puts peoples lives at risk and I think that's the thing people really miss. Sure you want to see who's behind the curtain pulling the strings but at the same time, you MUST consider those that are out there in the field in harm's way working to protect the very freedoms you enjoy.

Oh sure, I agree up to a point that some data needs to be classified and have no beef with that. But lately EVERYTHING is classified, everything is a matter of national security.. just keep your head down, do as you are told or you are a traitor. If you see something, say something lol puhleez, what is happening to America?

I am not talking about releasing the plans for military planes under construction at Area51. I'm talking about gross misuse of power, corrupt corporate influence of government(s) and outright lies to the people. That is important for me to know and I can only feel sorry for those who want to bury their heads in the sand and take the 'out of sight out of mind' route. I want my child to live in a free society and under governments that are held accountable.

The real issue here is that many Americans are draped in the flag, so any negativity towards America is met with rabid hostility. The whole "nobody talks bad bout Murca or we'll turn em to glass" mindset. It's time to move past this and join the international community demanding appropriate government and corporate behavior. Just my 3c

[movinonup Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close movinonup]

Governments do not deserve, and have proven they will abuse, any power that is given to them. Putting the power back into the hands of the people should be paramount. In this day in age, there is no need for the archaic practices of hiring people to represent us. Instead, maybe we should move to have a more secure voting system that would allow all to really weigh in to the issues.

Our civil liberties are disappearing at an alarming rate in the name of "keeping us safe". That worries me more than the repercussions of wiki leaks.

[Stretch Armstrong Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Stretch Armstrong]

The real issue here is that many Americans are draped in the flag, so any negativity towards America is met with rabid hostility. The whole "nobody talks bad bout Murca or we'll turn em to glass" mindset. It's time to move past this and join the international community demanding appropriate government and corporate behavior. Just my 3c

Show me an example of appropriate government. Please.

[GTO Retired ModeratorPEGym EditorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close GTO]

I think you all should stop and read this>>> What Crime?

It explains that the guy is actually not violating the Espionage act Section 793, since "publishing" is not listed as illegal.

The other side is saying that in Section 794b, the word "publish" is used, and, to quote this article, "Yet this statute applies only to information that is published with intent to deliver it to the enemy, a fact any prosecutor would have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt."

Good article - don't really agree with it, but good nonetheless. And true - it may be "legal" but it may not necessarily be "ethical." Fine line there. It's like reporters breaking news on troop movement - huh? Really? You are just going to give the world our troops location? You're gonna bring a camera on the beach and broadcast a covert operation to the world? Legal? Under the law, certainly. But is it really the right thing to do? Believe me - I'm one for getting to the bottom of things as much as the next guy but I just think there are other ways to do it.

[CannabisCancerCure Member Find all posts View Profile Close CannabisCancerCure]

In my opinion Wikileaks is some sort of government, CIA, Black Ops operation that is designed to reveal unimportant documents that aren't really all that threatening to the power structure and deem it as a national security threat to pass new legislation for cyber security and internet control.

[Stretch Armstrong Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Stretch Armstrong]

Governments do not deserve, and have proven they will abuse, any power that is given to them. Putting the power back into the hands of the people should be paramount. In this day in age, there is no need for the archaic practices of hiring people to represent us. Instead, maybe we should move to have a more secure voting system that would allow all to really weigh in to the issues.

Our civil liberties are disappearing at an alarming rate in the name of "keeping us safe". That worries me more than the repercussions of wiki leaks.

I do not want power in the hands of "every man." That is suicide. There are too many dumb ass people out there. The problem is a political scientist is given the same 1 vote as some inbred hillbilly who thinks people live inside the TV. Majority rule doesn't work in mental institutions.

[Stretch Armstrong Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Stretch Armstrong]

Good article - don't really agree with it, but good nonetheless. And true - it may be "legal" but it may not necessarily be "ethical." Fine line there. It's like reporters breaking news on troop movement - huh? Really? You are just going to give the world our troops location? You're gonna bring a camera on the beach and broadcast a covert operation to the world? Legal? Under the law, certainly. But is it really the right thing to do? Believe me - I'm one for getting to the bottom of things as much as the next guy but I just think there are other ways to do it.

This guy gets it.

[giveitago Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close giveitago]

Good article - don't really agree with it, but good nonetheless. And true - it may be "legal" but it may not necessarily be "ethical." Fine line there. It's like reporters breaking news on troop movement - huh? Really? You are just going to give the world our troops location? You're gonna bring a camera on the beach and broadcast a covert operation to the world? Legal? Under the law, certainly. But is it really the right thing to do? Believe me - I'm one for getting to the bottom of things as much as the next guy but I just think there are other ways to do it.

Completely flawed logic imo. For one there is nothing more ethical than exposing the severe BS these sadistic bastards have been up to. And "I'm one for getting to the bottom of things as much as the next guy but I just think there are other ways to do it.". What are these other ways? How do you propose this happens? It's like saying, hey these drug dealers broke the law, we will let them appoint a Judge, run the trial and pick the jury ..then justice can be served. Getting to the bottom of things is rarely if at all possible in this current state of the world by going through 'proper' channels, the same ones breaking the law control the law. The only way to get to the bottom of it is to expose them by any means available and that is what is happening, and you can bet your ass they do not like it.

[giveitago Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close giveitago]

In my opinion Wikileaks is some sort of government, CIA, Black Ops operation that is designed to reveal unimportant documents that aren't really all that threatening to the power structure and deem it as a national security threat to pass new legislation for cyber security and internet control.

Plausible if it were somehow possible to control the internet. This is not something they can control, I am sure they will try but they will not be able to stop the spread of leaked info any more than they can stop file sharing. That is unless they shut down the internet completely.

[giveitago Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close giveitago]

-As you can tell I am a bit passionate about this. I feel as if humanity has been reborn and for the first time in centuries power is shifting back to the people. The citizens of the internet are becoming the new global super power.

[Stretch Armstrong Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Stretch Armstrong]

-As you can tell I am a bit passionate about this. I feel as if humanity has been reborn and for the first time in centuries power is shifting back to the people. The citizens of the internet are becoming the new global super power.

No, they aren't, anonymous is pointless and almost useless. They will remain being cyber terrorists and vigilantes, but they will never be anything resembling any kind of a super power.

[giveitago Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close giveitago]

Who said anything about anonymous? They are like 9,000 strong so big whup. I'm talking about the 100's of millions of people not only praising the actions of Wikileaks, but are now developing a thirst for the truth. This is going to change things more than you think. The biggest super power in the world can't stop a few activists on the internet, so who has the power now?