Anglosphere reaction to Aus/NZ covid response

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Ok so new alliance US aussie and uk go anglosphere .

But umm it is not all hugs and kisses . The anglosphere attitude to aussie and NZ success with covid leavs something to be desired .

So watching some English and US commentary on our covid response .

So for instance Nigel Farage the uk former poitician carries on about how Aussie and NZ lock down with small numbers of cases . Of course he knows this is part of a range of responses that have kept our cases low . So lock down early works and he knows it he is a smart guy . So what is going on ??! it seems others are upset at our success,
So their excuses for this vary . The Uk for instance seem to say that the aussie police have been brutal . Hmm well ok I sometimes say they could use more restraint . So the uk say they are not like bobbies and are more like the french police . Well whew at least they didn't compare them to the US police the complaint seems to be about pepper spary and manhndling not shooting or otherwise killing .

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So Australia is in the process of opening up . The idea is the very high vax rate will lower hospitpsations .

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Wanna bet you'll close up or have some restrictions placed again within 6 weeks from now?

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Big jump in employment despite a rise in the participation rate .
Some resrictions remain especially for the unvaxinated .

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I believe Australia has garnered a bad reputation for their Big Brother style of handling the pandemic. It is apparently done in an effort to curb the number of infected, but the cost of that is an infringement on the civil liberties and rights if its citizenry. Not that things are necessarily better elsewhere... the anglosphere in general is just as bad, maybe with the exception of the US, where at least 3 states have rejected the mandates. There seems to be a world trend towards more tyrannical forms of government, which does not bode well for the future if it keeps up at this rate. Say what you will about the laying down the iron fist to pursue the noble cause of lowering the number of cases... it is possible they may accomplish their goal, but if governments think it right to vilify the unvaccinated, then they've created a much greater problem than the one they set out to solve.

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Much of criticism of the Australian response seems to drive from jealousy and involve little more than name calling .

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Much of criticism of the Australian response seems to drive from jealousy and involve little more than name calling .

Jealousy? How so?

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Much of criticism of the Australian response seems to drive from jealousy

Not sure "jealousy" is the right word. I for one am thankful I am not living in Australia's current environment. Some people including yourself may find your nation is showing exemplary leadership. Not everyone would agree with that thinking.

and involve little more than name calling

No "name-calling" from the sources I read. Just that a bad reputation could be inferred from the heavy-handed governing style from the party in power, I suppose. The thwarting of human rights and freedoms is not "name-calling" as you put it, it is actually quite real and scary. When a society allow itself the pretense to treat the non-vaccinated as second class citizens, then it's a no-brainer that the democratic principle is in danger.

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Some english you tube posts on Aussie covid response are little more than "Convicts , convicts nah nah nah. " Some also mention they believe the police are heavy handed comparing to the French police rather than english . Well I don't know how the French police act but thank god they di not compare to US if the constant barrage on you tube is too be believed that would be a real problem. For that mattter some of the clips show english police in a bad light during covid demos etc .

A lot of overblown stuff about aussie resposnse online and some downright lies being spread . I had a US friend contact me to ask if was true aussie armed forces were going around shooting people for being unvaxanated wtf .

Re authoritarianism this has been an issue for some time all over the world . A authoritarian govt useing covid to strengthen it's long term position is happening out there currently . That is a different matter from a govt useing extraordinary powers during an emergency which so far as I can tell is what the aussie govt is doing . So the focus is very misplaced .

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Ok so the Aussie govt long term strategy has always been to avoid large numbers of people in hospital overloading the medical system . The current situation is going to be a big test, the population is highly immunised and for the most part willing to follow gmask etc . Aussie is starting to openup state to statee and internationally . The O variant is here and starting to spread it is little understood overseas how urbanised aussie is most people do not live on isolated sheep stations but in an urban enviroment ssimilar to the US. .
The govt strategy is to manage the spread so that with O appearing less deadly and the high immunisation rate there will be a hospitilisation rate that is manageable .

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Sheep Stations? Bhaaaaaa !

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Ok so the Aussie govt long term strategy has always been to avoid large numbers of people in hospital overloading the medical system . The current situation is going to be a big test, the population is highly immunised and for the most part willing to follow gmask etc . Aussie is starting to openup state to statee and internationally . The O variant is here and starting to spread it is little understood overseas how urbanised aussie is most people do not live on isolated sheep stations but in an urban enviroment ssimilar to the US. .
The govt strategy is to manage the spread so that with O appearing less deadly and the high immunisation rate there will be a hospitilisation rate that is manageable .

How does one manage the spread of the virus? Over here we found it really can't be done. Aussie, just like here, will have to ride it out. You can do all the mask mandates and lockdowns or whatever you do down there but it won't matter. It won't stop until it wants to.

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How does one manage the spread of the virus? Over here we found it really can't be done. Aussie, just like here, will have to ride it out. You can do all the mask mandates and lockdowns or whatever you do down there but it won't matter. It won't stop until it wants to.

So several points to unpack . Firstly vax reduces number and severity of cases and at this point aussie is heavily vaxed . In addition O is less deadly . So the strategy is to limit hospitilisations to a managable amount while the virus is ridden out
. Ideaa is total death numbers will be a lot less . At this point aussie has less deaths than during a normal period during covid.

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Agreed that severity is reduced but are case numbers actually reduced? And it's hard to tell when people with minimal or no symptoms might not even get tested, right? It seems that the vax doesn't prevent the spread or contraction of the virus, just the impact it has.

Australia is really hard to compare with other countries because of how geographically different it is.

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The virus will run it's course no matter what is done. I do like the concept that what a government does they say will save lives when they has no idea if all their measures saved lives or not but it sounds really good.