Trying PE for the 4th time and determined to get it right this time!

[strong_root Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close strong_root]

Hey everyone, I finally decided to write.

I'm not really new to PE. I discovered it many years ago and back then I tried this routine on a 5/2 basis:
-5 min warm-up
-5 min stretching
-10 min jelq
-5 min warmdown

I could see some visible gains (especially on girth and flaccid length) but after a couple of months my EQ went down (I didn't do any kegels at the time). So I eventually stopped. I'm about average on lenght and girth so I wasn't too concerned at the time.

After a couple of years, I changed that decision and decided to try again, and had the same result, so I just thought that PE was not for me (which now I see that it's silly, because of course I would get the same result with the same routine lol).

And this year, I decided to focus on kegels only, in order to improve EQ. They were good but I wanted harder. I read briefly somewhere that doing 50 kegels a day, holding for 5 sec. was good, so I did that...only problem is, I did that *everyday*, for about 5 months, without any prior training. There I went recklessly again...

I was able to see some results, my erections were really harder for a couple of months, but I eventually lost my discipline and forgot to do the kegels for a few days. When this happened I lost morning wood and EQ decreased to about 50% and started feeling pain on the PC muscle area. It felt weird and I completely freaked out when I discovered I should have started from 50 kegels *every other day*, not everyday...oh well.

So...I rested for about two weeks and thankfully, things went back to normal. But I was determined to find something to work with, so I found JP 90-day begginer routine and decided to try it, but going ligther, only 1 day on / 1 day off. I did that for about 30 days and had the following PIs:
-Increased erect girth (positive)
-Increased flaccid size (positive)
-Increased horniness (positive :-P)
-Decreased morning wood (negative)
-Decreased EQ (negative...and again...)
-Spasm on the pelvic area (I considered this weird, so, negative!)

I'm wondering my next step now. I would rather stick with my average unit working fine than have a bigger but soft one, but I'm determined to find an efficient routine so I can progress somewhere in between. Since my results in size were definitely visible in such a short-term and little intensity training, (I haven't measured but I could notice it visually and feel it with my hands when grabbing it), I am considering doing a one-day on / two-days off, and see how it goes. Maybe that is enough for me. I'm just not sure if my loss in EQ is related to over-training the dick itself or perhaps having a weak PC muscle (I didn't have any redness whatsoever).

I will probably be resting for two weeks now for things to get back to normal...and then, aim for an even lighter JP 90-day routine (1 on/2 off, perhaps with less reps, like Burty's for example). But I'm not really sure how to proceed with the kegels, how should I incorporate them in the routine...just do the amount which is suggested by the routine (about 100 kegels each day of training), or perhaps I should just let it rest more, or perhaps something else? I really wanted to see my size gains come along with nice full erections, at least this time, I don't want to have to choose between them again. Any ideas/suggestions of what I'm doing wrong or how to improve my routine?

Thanks!!!

PS for admin/moderation: I just wanted to tell my story but got carried away with it and decided to ask the questions on the same post. Sorry if this post does not belong in this forum, feel free to move it if it's better :-)

[PongLenis Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close PongLenis]

I find that when I try and hold a keggel a few times for about 5 seconds, it makes them less intense by a lot. As in I feel like its not as effective anymore cause I barely feel it.

How old are you?

[Cavalier Retired Super Moderator Member of the Month Feb 2015PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Cavalier]

Welcome aboard!

It sounds like you may have an unbalanced pelvic floor. Having spasms is a sign of a tense pelvic floor and could also cause problems with EQ. It can be better explained in this thread.

Pelvic Floor Balance

It does require dedication and consistency to be successful with PE. There are plenty of guys here that can help you with getting it right this time so that you can stay motivated. All you have to do is ask if there is something you don't understand.

Good luck and always PE safely.

[strong_root Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close strong_root]

I find that when I try and hold a keggel a few times for about 5 seconds, it makes them less intense by a lot. As in I feel like its not as effective anymore cause I barely feel it.

How old are you?

Hey Travis,
I guess the intensity of the exercise should be diferente for everyone, but it's been hard to find what suits me. I think by holding for 5 sec I ended up over-training a bit, so when I start again, I'll def. go with the "less is more" approach. Do you have a kegel routine? What's it like?

I'm 33 BTW.

[strong_root Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close strong_root]

Welcome aboard!

It sounds like you may have an unbalanced pelvic floor. Having spasms is a sign of a tense pelvic floor and could also cause problems with EQ. It can be better explained in this thread.

Pelvic Floor Balance

It does require dedication and consistency to be successful with PE. There are plenty of guys here that can help you with getting it right this time so that you can stay motivated. All you have to do is ask if there is something you don't understand.

Good luck and always PE safely.

Hi Cavalier,
thanks so much pointing that out. I have read this thread already but haven't been able to identify wether the EQ problem was due to overtraining with jelqs or with kegels.

I have stopped everything for about 5 days now and today, thankfully I got some morning wood. I think I'll firstly try to incorporate kegels, trying to balance things out and improve my EQ at my current size, then move on to jelqing and size gains. What do you think about this approach? Also, do you think I might have had the EQ problems because of my size gains? I mean, it is logical to suppose that you need a stronger PC muscle to get a boner with a thicker dick. Does that make any sense or it is not supposed to happen this way with newbies?

Thanks for the help! :-)

[Cavalier Retired Super Moderator Member of the Month Feb 2015PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Cavalier]

Sometimes gains can effect EQ. There is the TGC theory that might explain it. It's a balance between tunica gains and keeping the smooth muscle up with it.

FOCUS YOUR PE & GAIN! TGC Theory Explained!

[strong_root Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close strong_root]

Cavalier,
I read through the text and I think it might be connected to the problem. I did gain nice girth and length in my first 45 days, but the decrease in EQ went down proportionally. Now I have stopped everything for about a week and while I see my EQ get back, I can also see some of the size gains decrease a bit.

So according to that theory, it might be connected to expanding the tunica but not keeping up with the smooth muscle, like you mentioned. Very informative!

I still have the balanced pelvic floor thing to work with, but hey, the more options I have to try, the better. One of them (or a combination) will fix my problem. I'm staying positive and believing firmly (ha!) that I will find my way through PE. I just never thought it was so complicated lol

I'll ask in that thread about girth exercises for begginers, or what changes in routine they could suggest, but if you have some suggestions for improving the smooth muscle for a newbie I'll be glad to hear them.

Thanks again mr. Cavalier for the guidance!!!

[PongLenis Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close PongLenis]

Cavalier,
I read through the text and I think it might be connected to the problem. I did gain nice girth and length in my first 45 days, but the decrease in EQ went down proportionally. Now I have stopped everything for about a week and while I see my EQ get back, I can also see some of the size gains decrease a bit.

So according to that theory, it might be connected to expanding the tunica but not keeping up with the smooth muscle, like you mentioned. Very informative!

I still have the balanced pelvic floor thing to work with, but hey, the more options I have to try, the better. One of them (or a combination) will fix my problem. I'm staying positive and believing firmly (ha!) that I will find my way through PE. I just never thought it was so complicated lol

I'll ask in that thread about girth exercises for begginers, or what changes in routine they could suggest, but if you have some suggestions for improving the smooth muscle for a newbie I'll be glad to hear them.

Thanks again mr. Cavalier for the guidance!!!

Maybe we can be the buddies of the forum who have made several attempts to do PE, but starting now we will make a change within ourself.

I've attempted hanging at least 3-4 times. But each time I stopped because once I reached a certain weight, the hanger would always slide off and I would get really mad and depressed cause no other wrapping would work....


But yeah if someon can help me with that wrapping problem, maybe I will be able to get past 7/8lbs. I am at 6lbs right now and have some issues with the hanger during some sets, but only a few times.

[strong_root Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close strong_root]

Hey Travis,
I don't dare using any kind of device, it seems somehow dangerous and also I'd have to hide it from the rest of the people in the house What kind of other exercises do you do besides it?

Yes, hope you can overcome that hanger problem...best of gains for us both, I'm pretty confident we'll make it bro!