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  • Don't ejaculate - Dispelling the myth

    To start, this is an attempt to scientifically dispel the notion that ejaculating hinders growth from PE, which I consider (and want to consider 'read: bias') a myth.

    So first let's set the foundation for how muscle grows in the body. Muscle tissue either grows during natural human growth via the release of Growth Hormone (during early life) or during muscles experiencing trauma which in turn causes microtears in the muscle tissue which in turn releases Hepatocyte Growth Factor (HGF) which stimulates the muscle tissue to repair itself[1]. The latter will be assumed to be the only way we get gains from PE as this is the way humans build muscle in the body after early life. These are the only known ways in which muscle tissue in the human body grows.

    A claim that frequently floats around the forums is that "One should perform their PE and edging but should not ejaculate as ejaculation will hinder muscle growth." I do not believe there is any physiological connection between muscle growth and not ejaculating. The following is why.

    PE attempts to grow penile muscle tissue by using various forms of stretching of the muscle tissue to cause microtears in the penile muscle tissue. This is accomplished by physical manipulation of the penis and by forcing blood to internally flow within the penis and apply internal pressure, cause these microtears. These are the only known ways to cause muscle tissue in the penis to grow.

    There is little research correlating ejaculation to overall affect on the body and the studies that do exist attempt to tie ejaculation to serum testosterone (T) levels. A study from 2003 [2] found that ejaculation immediately decreases serum T levels but they readily return to normal levels shortly after ejaculation. This is probably the period a male experiences as his refractory period after orgasming. The study also found that when abstaining from ejaculation, the male T serum levels stayed relatively the same from days 2-5 after the most recent ejaculation but on day 7 spiked to a 150% increase. Other than the decrease in serum testosterone, there is little or no effect in the rest of the body after orgasm other than in the brain where all the 'pleasure' hormones are released and contained.

    All that being said, testosterone plays no role in healing or increasing muscle growth. So a reduction or increase in serum T levels in no way directly impacts muscle growth.

    The other part of this myth that has been perpetuated is that producing semen requires nutrients that could be used to build muscle. While there is no scientific research around this, based on composition of muscle and composition of semen and the nutrients required to produce [3] both it's highly unlikely that producing 'extra' semen would take nutrients away from potential muscle. Also, the majority of semen is made up of fructose and water and not protein which is attributed as being one of the most essential nutrients for muscle growth.

    Based on the previous, I think it is highly unlikely that ejaculating has any impact on penile muscle tissue growth. I would love to hear your evidence based thoughts.

    [1] https://www.unm.edu/~lkravitz/Articl...lesgrowLK.html
    [2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12659241
    [3] https://www.prioritystdtesting.com/b...semen-made-of/
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  • #2
    I’ve never believed in the no ejaculation rule, I edge myself and try to last as long as possible, but I feel most guys need the release almost daily. I’ve also been able to grow plenty while ejaculating regularly, why take time to get a bigger and better penis if you won’t be allowed to come?. Seems kinda strange to me, but it’s just my opinion and some guys may find it helpful.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Cabba View Post
      I’ve never believed in the no ejaculation rule, I edge myself and try to last as long as possible, but I feel most guys need the release almost daily. I’ve also been able to grow plenty while ejaculating regularly, why take time to get a bigger and better penis if you won’t be allowed to come?. Seems kinda strange to me, but it’s just my opinion and some guys may find it helpful.
      Agreed, I actually came across the counter argument (orgasm more frequently) on reddit when suggesting a way for a user to get bigger loads (edging and holding off for several days). He pointed out that he was older and actually was recommended by his doctor to get off daily as a way to boost prostate health and a potential way to maintain/gain testosterone levels.
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      • #4
        It is great to read posts based upon one taking the time to do some deep research and analysis. We need more of that. Thank you

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        • #5
          I think when you don’t cum your dick stays swollen for the day. When you do cum it shrivels up.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by mylittlefriend18 View Post
            I think when you don’t cum your dick stays swollen for the day. When you do cum it shrivels up.
            But having a semi (let's call it 6/10 EQ) does nothing more to create microtears in your muscle tissue than having a turtle (let's call it 1/10 EQ) physiologically. This also goes down the path of the concept of 'cementing' which is a term that floats around which I also believe to be a myth.

            And anecdotally, my penis returns to the 'normal' flaccid size within an hour of ejaculating or edging no matter what I do.
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            • #7
              I'm not convinced edging will produce more gains either, I often don't and have gained quite a bit.

              I know its not the point of your post, but testosterone absolutely plays a huge role in muscle growth.
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              • #8
                I love this thread, solidlength, so thanks! I noticed your objections to this theory/myth on another thread yesterday, and I wholeheartedly agree. I have practiced/studied yoga for 20+ years, and I was a certified fitness trainer for about 5 years. Additionally, I have a college degree in Health Education and Promotion, which required multiple classes on biology and anatomy/physiology. I don't actively teach these subjects anymore because I make a lot more money as a software engineer, but I have retained much of the knowledge.

                Based on what I know, your conclusions are correct.

                To mylittlefriend18, I would just say I have not noticed the same issues. After cumming my dick might shrink momentarily, but to be honest, when I edge for 15-20 minutes or more then climax, I feel like my dick is every bit as big in flaccid form by the end of the day as when I don't.

                There is a difference between smooth muscle tissue (as found in the penis) and how it grows vs skeletal muscle tissue, which might be important. Smooth muscle does not contract directly as a result of neuronal stimulation (like skeletal/striated muscle tissue). It can be contracted in conjunction with surrounding striated muscle tissue, which would lend evidence as to why kegels are an important part of PE. See : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smooth_muscle for more details.

                Most of the whole "don't ejaculate" case feels to me like a hold over from pseudo-science around Tantric sex and such things. Edging is extremely useful for dealing with premature ejaculation and increasing your own sensitivity to your own body, and frankly increasing the pleasure of your own orgasms, but I have yet to see any evidence that ultimately not ejaculating somehow increases growth via PE.

                If someone has evidence otherwise, please post.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by BallsMahoney View Post
                  I'm not convinced edging will produce more gains either, I often don't and have gained quite a bit.

                  I know its not the point of your post, but testosterone absolutely plays a huge role in muscle growth.
                  You are correct about testosterone. Further, your point about edging only bolsters my point, which is that edging and whether to cum or not, are really superfluous.

                  Muscle tissue growth is about microtears and having the upstream raw materials available (generally protein, but also Testosterone, and frankly cholesterol, which is a precursor for testosterone, and of course Vit-D, which is a precursor for cholesterol, and on and on).

                  That said, the Wikipedia article I posted previously makes clear that pressure increases the presence of intracellular calcium, and we can see here (https://opentextbc.ca/anatomyandphys...smooth-muscle/) that Calcium is necessary for Smooth Muscle contraction.

                  This last point only increases my interest in a thread that was going around by some guy who made his own pump with cycling pressure. I can't remember or find the thread off hand. Anyone remember what I'm talking about? He was an engineer of some sort who machined his own device and was getting great gains. Talked about it being his second retirement nest egg....
                  START : 2/6/2020
                  BPEL : 5.875" - BaseEG : 5.25" - MSEG : 5.0"
                  CURRENT : 11/18/2021
                  BPEL : 7.5" - BaseEG : 5.75" - MSEG : 5.75"

                  BPEL GOAL : 7.5+" - MSEG GOAL : 5.75+"

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by BallsMahoney View Post
                    I'm not convinced edging will produce more gains either, I often don't and have gained quite a bit.

                    I know its not the point of your post, but testosterone absolutely plays a huge role in muscle growth.
                    I don't think edging alone will either. Anecdotally I will add, when I edge, I will often throw in a Uli right after I kegel in order to 'inflate' my penis as much as possible. I hold the Uli for about 4-5 seconds before hard jelqing it out. So that's my mistake for not clarifying that when I'm edging I'm really doing some supra slammers in there. The anecdotal part is that the only way I see PE resulting in gains is by stretching for ligs or by using trapped blood to put internal pressure on the muscle tissue to create those muscle tears. Compound this with length of time that the penis tissue remains 'fully stretched' and I *think* you will see more gains.

                    And you are also correct that testosterone plays a role, but it is indirect. You will not gain more muscle by having higher levels of testosterone. Testosterone is needed to heal muscle tissue true but normal levels of testosterone are just as good as high levels of testosterone for muscle healing [1]. Now I believe the case can be made that having higher levels of testosterone indirectly affect growth because you tend to be more motivated to work out, have sex, etc. etc. when you have higher levels of testosterone.

                    [1] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1501119/
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                    • #11
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                      • #12
                        Agree to disagree on the testosterone subject.

                        Anywho- we're on the same page with the edging. Stretching the inner walls and creating micro tears is what grows the dick & muscles for that matter, not holding your ejaculations! Good topic.
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                        • #13
                          I had a thread on edging for size increase can't find it just now . The conclusion I drew is that it was internal stretch that caused growth so kegels were often used to increase internal pressure and yes pe methods during edging . Another factor was time under erection.
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                          • #14
                            Here is the edging thread.

                            https://www.pegym.com/forums/penis-e...tml?highlight=

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