Length first, Girth Second

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Can you speak from personal experience; is this something that worked for you, or a theory only?

It's not just a theory .... it's based on personal experience .... i was having difficulties gaining length since i last measured on the 24th of May (It's in my signature) and so decided to go onto a more girth based routine .... i've posted the routine in my log .... EQKing's log .... i've made gains .... i've been on the routine for around half a month .... I think one of the reasons i made gains is because my girth is below average and according to your theory it's easier to gain length after gaining girth if you don't have good girth .... i feel that if a PE routine does not give significant amounts of length gains over a period of time then a more girth based routine would give bursts in lenght like a nitro for a speeding car .... For a person with less girth an increase in girth would give more volume for the penis to make length gains as compared to a less girthy penis because the penis with less girth won't have enough volume to accomodate the length gains.

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So how would this affect a person with larger than average girth? I haven't measured in a while but I have no doubt I have gained more in girth - which is cool but not with length being my focus right now. I am trying different combos of stretches - I'm going to check your log to see what you are doing. Maybe it'll help.

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I'm hanging, nothing else. Once I reach my length goal, I'll work on girth. I've gained a lot of base girth from hanging, so in a way, I am already working towards my girth goals.

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I'm hanging, nothing else. Once I reach my length goal, I'll work on girth. I've gained a lot of base girth from hanging, so in a way, I am already working towards my girth goals.

Like you said .... you got some girth gains from a length exercise .... i got some length gains from a more girth based exercise!!

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It seems a few posts from yesterday are gone now on this thread.

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A Different View: Big Al on Girth First

My opinion- in most cases guys should do their girth first. The reasoning behind this is that intense stretches can temporarily exhaust the penis. This would make performing girth work immediately afterwards difficult. The exception to this is if you're prone to getting too erect during girth work, in which case a more tired penis would allow you to do the workout without having to wait for your erection to subside.

There could be additional benefits to a length first scenario through stretching the penile tunica and fascia- which would allow for greater expansion when you do your girth exercises.

Once you've hit the advanced levels of training, you can experiment with different approaches to see which training format gives you the best results.

Big Al says girth first, however, he also says "Once you've hit the advanced levels of training, you can experiment with different approaches". The length first, girth second theory seems to mostly apply to advanced exercises. Big Al is not speaking for or against this argument, at least in the quote above.

I will say, the girth first point of view is unique though, I have not heard it before. However, I know Big Al has had a lot of success helping guys reach their goals, so I don't doubt the efficacy of his methodology.

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Big Al says girth first, however, he also says "Once you've hit the advanced levels of training, you can experiment with different approaches". The length first, girth second theory seems to mostly apply to advanced exercises. Big Al is not speaking for or against this argument, at least in the quote above.

I will say, the girth first point of view is unique though, I have not heard it before. However, I know Big Al has had a lot of success helping guys reach their goals, so I don't doubt the efficacy of his methodology.

Are we sure Big Al was not just referring to the order (girth then length) within a routine that contains both length & girth exercises, ie. within 1 day's session?

As opposed to PE over a PE career.

I am sure I read a Big Al post where that was how I interpreted what he was saying.

I do not want to speak for Big Al, just wanted to clarify.

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I think this quote is not directly related to the topic. Big Al is talking about doing your girth exercises before the stretching in one session (not going for girth gains before length), because the intense stretching may tire your penis and this will make it more difficult to do a good girth workout. But AFAIK he suggests doing both length and girth in your routine in most cases - this is a more balanced approach and seems to produce more overall gains in volume. Of course focusing on only one of the two may present more gains in the focused aspect - advanced trainees may experiment on this.

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I think this quote is not directly related to the topic. Big Al is talking about doing your girth exercises before the stretching in one session (not going for girth gains before length), because the intense stretching may tire your penis and this will make it more difficult to do a good girth workout. But AFAIK he suggests doing both length and girth in your routine in most cases - this is a more balanced approach and seems to produce more overall gains in volume. Of course focusing on only one of the two may present more gains in the focused aspect - advanced trainees may experiment on this.

I think you are right gosh.

Whereas Blink (correct me if I a wrong) is talking about length before girth in the whole lifetime of someone's PE. As in create length & then go about getting the girth.

Blink is currently solely hanging.

When I read back through this thread, I am not 100% sure everyone was on the same page so to speak.

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Whereas Blink (correct me if I a wrong) is talking about length before girth in the whole lifetime of someone's PE. As in create length & then go about getting the girth.

Yep, I think that is the topic of this discussion.

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For my own part, I have to say that I believe in Length first, girth second.

Yet I am doing both concurrently because I have already started down that path.

I think it takes quite a lot of discipline to do LFGS.

I believe you can get results both ways.

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To get back to the topic - To me it seems reasonable going for length first, girth could probably become a limiting factor at some point. But I think one should get quite an enormous girth for it to be a problem, till then probably doing both in a balanced way would be good.
I personally think of doing a balanced routine for now and if I hit some big number in girth (for me that would be no more than 5.5") before my length goal I'll most likely go for length focused routine. But also as currently I want some more length more than girth I may try this earlier if I'm not happy with my length progress in the next month or so.

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This is a great thread. Last time I measured my stats were:

BPFSL: 7.125 (7 1/8")
BPEL: 6.75 (6 3/4")
EG: 4.75 (4 3/4")

The stats were the same when I measured on 6/1/10 and then again the latest time on 8/1/10.

I kept on with my usual routine of warming up, stretching, jelqing on average 200 jelqs at 85-95% erection level, squeezing and ULI'ing for about 10-15 minutes at a 85-95% erection level and as you can see, I did not gain anything. Although I would do this routine steadily about 3-4 times a week, I didnt do it as often as when I saw my best gains which were during my first 4 months of PE'ing.

According to the TGC theory, my TUNICA is what is keeping me from gaining since the difference of my BPFSL to my BPEL is .375 so does that mean I should cut back on squeezes and ULIs? Do I do focus more on Jelqing at a lower erection level or keep it the same at 85-95%?

I have also started to use my PM extender for at least an hour after my routine. Should I have a high tension or keep it moderate?

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

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"According to the TGC theory, my TUNICA is what is keeping me from gaining since the difference of my BPFSL to my BPEL"

First: You're in the wrong thread --
Second: your EQ is holding you back partly. Two months should be enough time to translate those gains.

If you want to talk further about TGC theory, please do it either here: The TGC Theory

Let's please keep this thread on the subject of length first, girth second.

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It's not just a theory .... it's based on personal experience .... i was having difficulties gaining length since i last measured on the 24th of May (It's in my signature) and so decided to go onto a more girth based routine .... i've posted the routine in my log .... EQKing's log .... i've made gains .... i've been on the routine for around half a month .... I think one of the reasons i made gains is because my girth is below average and according to your theory it's easier to gain length after gaining girth if you don't have good girth .... i feel that if a PE routine does not give significant amounts of length gains over a period of time then a more girth based routine would give bursts in lenght like a nitro for a speeding car .... For a person with less girth an increase in girth would give more volume for the penis to make length gains as compared to a less girthy penis because the penis with less girth won't have enough volume to accomodate the length gains.

EQKing - I recently went through your log (congrats on gains btw) to check out what you were doing to concentrate on length and I didn't see a big change until about 7/3 when you went to more JAI stretches and Internal stretches. Are these the only exercises you are doing for length other than the basic stretches? How have they worked so far?