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    OK, when I hung weights I was informed that rest days were alien to PE, and that PE was about deforming tough parts of the body (namely ligaments and tunica). Now I tried this approach for 6 weeks hanging several hours a day, at the end I measured and was down a 1/4 inch from my best errection length. I assumed hanging this way wasnt working for me. I switched to wearing an extender for as many hours a day as I could (3-7hrs) for 7 weeks. Again not a single rest day. This had the same end result!

    I have also performed manual PE for 3 months with rest days every few days, pumping for 6 weeks with a rest days every 4-7 days and manual PE with no rest days.

    I feel like I have exhausted the possibilities. And what I still find confusing are the occasional comments I read that constant PE is a definite must (because to PE is about deforming and rest only hinders this).

    My thoughts go like this:

    Scenario 1)If you were to perform only 10 Jai stretches a day for your PE you would likely never need a rest day, similar to if you were to just get an erection for a minute or so each day. ie minimum force with minimum duration

    Scenario 2)If you were to spend 5 hours stretching your penis with a high degree of force then you would likely see some severe negative PIs especially turtling. ie moderate force with long duration

    Scenario 3)If you were to tie your penis to a concrete block and drop the block you would just be hoping that your penis is still attached to your body!! (obviously this isnt PE its stupid...Im just using it for it theoretical value). ie MAXIMUM force with tiny duration. Shock attack!

    Where I am going with all this is trying to decipher the best routine when it comes to PE. Should one aim to be able to PE everyday even if this means using less force and or duration? Or should one aim to hit the penis hard with either force and or duration but then take afew days maybe even weeks off PE?

    In bodybuilding terms I guess this is kind of similar to High Intensity Vs Volume (Mentzer Vs Scwarchenegger). I guess it doesn't matter if you see results and you PE safely, but for any hardgainers out there it can be confusing to know what's best as people do seem to gain with different rest routines.

    For the record, I know that ligs do seem to be the area people focus on when talking about constant PE and deforming, however, does the tunica need to be treated in the same way? I know where one or two moderators stand on this but Id love to get more info. I think I read that HT had the view that its a matter of balancing constantly deforming the tunica while allowing the CCs to et enough rest. This sounds like it may be the answer I'm looking for!

    I think Im leaning on being able to perform PE for 5 days without negative PIs, which for me equals moderate/high intensity but fairly low duration. When I last tried very high intensity even with fairly low duration I turtled up for days!

    OK, I've rambled on for long enough and I hope I have made sense. I guess the basic question is, why are we resting, what structures need rest (I read that the smooth muscle needs rest...what structures are made from smooth muscle, originally I thought it was the tunica?), what benefit from more constant PE (If ANY). And is it better to experience some negative PIs by upping either force or duration or better to always aim for not seeing any negative PIs?

    Many thanks

    SA
    scientificapproach
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    Last edited by scientificapproach; 12-08-2008, 06:06 PM.

  • #2
    Disclaimer: Just my theory with zero scientific proof to back me up

    Mitosis occurs during rest. If you keep a constant force on a piece of tissue (no rest) it will still lengthen/widen, however, those gains will not come from the growth of new cells, rather, they will come from the stretching of existing cells.

    So i guess to answer your question we need to know:

    1. How long does it take for mitosis to begin after a PE session.
    2. How long does mitosis last for.

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    • #3
      There is another take on this, SA You can do intense stetches (as hard as you can pull it for a couple of seconds) of short duration, maybe a dozen or so, and then each session, increase the intensity a tiny bit more. Obviously, there is a limit to how much you can deform (yeah, that's the word I was looking for in my P.M., ha, ha), your penis. But your penis doesn't know this. Yes, I believe in penis memory.

      I think visualization and relaxation are important here as well. This is where you kind of "hypnotize" your dick that it is growing in length and girth. You know, like, "Look me in the eyes. You are growing, longer, harder, and thicker." No, I am not joking. This is serious stuff here. I think visualization is extremely important in P.E.

      I mentioned in the P.M. that I do not do any kind of P.E. when my dick is turtling. I have moments during the day when the hormones are obviously at their peak and that is when I dedicate an hour or two to P.E. This is usually during the morning and then in the late afternoon to evening--and sometimes in the middle of the night or early morning. Obviously your work schedule, etc. might interfere with this natural cycle, but you have to take advantage of these cyclical moments.

      Hope this is helpful.

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      • #4
        Ah thanks for your posts guys!

        Yes Ive heard about the importance of Visulization in PE. I really need to work on this aspect, Its hard when doubts and negativity set in, but then I suppose this is when its most important! Do you think anyone can gain? Even if they have had several failed attempts? I guess thats where newbie gains help so much, once you know its possible for you then your mind expands and periods of no growth are more berable! But I shall definately work on this area and definately try and practice some relaxation time!

        Yes I can't see how PEing when your turtled is going to do much except turtle it more, and I presume you wont grow when your turtling beacuse something in there has been overtrained?!

        Interesting point fendoll. One thing I had heard when wearing an extender is that constant force cancels cell death (apoptosis) and then switches the mechanism to cell renewal. I personally didn't experience this when I used my extender, I just wore my penis out, which makes me think perhaps this constant force has to be tiny, anything with more force seems to require rest days IMO.
        scientificapproach
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        Last edited by scientificapproach; 12-09-2008, 06:33 AM.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by fendool View Post
          Disclaimer: Just my theory with zero scientific proof to back me up

          Mitosis occurs during rest. If you keep a constant force on a piece of tissue (no rest) it will still lengthen/widen, however, those gains will not come from the growth of new cells, rather, they will come from the stretching of existing cells.

          So i guess to answer your question we need to know:

          1. How long does it take for mitosis to begin after a PE session.
          2. How long does mitosis last for.
          1: good Q, I believe if the conditions are right immediately. those condtions would be good PI's, rock hard erections,(during the cementing stage) A slight decrease in PI's during the growth period) It is a cycle. After you had a growth spurt then you have to go right into improveing the erection quality again.
          2: As long as you retain good rest periods, postive indicators, a longer loose flaccid hang, no numbness or soreness.

          Think penis hypertrophy!
          kingpole
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          Last edited by kingpole; 12-09-2008, 10:58 PM.


          For I will restore health unto thee and I will heal thee of thine wounds, saith the Lord Jeremiah 30:17

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          • #6
            If you want my opinion:
            1)go buy a ruler
            2)Measure your penis
            3)Set a goal
            4)Then do PE every day as much as you can but with safety.Measure again.Dont see if your penis has grown just look at the ruler.Keep up until you make your penis reach your goal in the ruler
            5)Then after you have reached your goal then rest.
            For me it took about 1 year when I start resting and havent had any bad efects except of the adiction now to PE.Yes I was PE for a whole year for about 2 hours a day or more, six days a weak and the one day for rest I did my streches.
            Some time after the first two months I have gained about 1/4".Some time after this period I have had an illnes and went to hospital.I kept PE in the toilet every day but when I left hospital and measure my penis at home quess what?My 1/4" gain have left.Not that I wasnt PE.Just because I was not so focus and it was to early for taking rest.After 2 years of PE and max gain of about 2.5" in bone pressed flausid streched length(yesterday I hit 9"!!!!!what in the hell...)I still am afraid of taking breaks.If I wasnt that afraid I wouldnt have made that gains.Enlarging your penis is very dificult.When starting PE you are happy that you can enlarge your penis but this is not real happy.The real happy is after you have passed all that and you manage to take this bick dick.Only then.....but to get there you have many work to do and many things to sacrefice such as free time and I can assume you for that.......


            And something off topic.Has anyone heard anything about Iguana?I used to see him post usually but I am curious cause it have passed months that I havent seen anything of him.
            papaki
            Senior Member
            Last edited by papaki; 12-09-2008, 05:25 PM.
            What I have manage in these 4 years of serious PE is something extreme more extreme even from yoga.I can put my mind in my penis and force blood into it without a errection with out a feeling just with my relaxation and mind game and send it from 6" to 8.4".I seriously find it very strange:D :p

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            • #7
              Papaki:
              Yeah I know what you mean about PE being a big commitment. I have spent up to 7 hours a day doing PE (extender), or hanging for hours. I personally dont care anymore, I was willing to not get a full time job to be able to perform PE all day if I had too! But I also think there is something in the less is more approach, well if PIs have any use!

              Well its good you have made such good gains. I would recommend you try and reduce the stress you feel by telling yourself you have made real strong gains, even if you worry about keeping them, remember what you HAVE! From what others say, even if you don't give up all PE, you may be able to keep your gains with a shorter routine. In the gym with muscle mass, gaining is SO MUCH harder than maintaining! But yes I can understand your fear, you have worked very hard so it is natural! Try to defeat it in little positive steps!

              So with your constant little rest approach, did you ever experience negative PIs such as turtling and poor EQ and MW? You say you PEed for up too 2 hours a day, I think if I did that much manual work I would turtle up badly. Did you build up to that amount of time?

              Out of curiosity, have you got a thread anywhere with your routine on it? I am just wondering what exercises you did.

              Anyway, congrats on your results, you have done well!

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              • #8
                Thanks for understanding my fears.only jeqls and streches I did and warm ups.No hangs and no pills.I think that overtrain is more in mind than in the penis it self.Some times because I have many work to do I study for 5 hours go to university for 9 hours and make PE the rest two hours.Then because my mind is very tired I feel overtrained and this causes turtling.Other time when not having PE I can PE for more than two hours and not feel Overtrained at all and no turtling.I could say that I have very big hangings only when I feel relaxed not have any anxious and feel good.So in my opinion you must not overtrain your self because the penis it self I think that is not very easy overtrainded.Just think that for a whole year for about 340 days and for two hours a day I had an errection to make my jeqls.But I could errect.If I couldnt then I should have been overtrained.

                something off topic.Today I meet a girl that I like so much.I dont know what to do because I love my girlfriend and I like this new girl very much and I think that she can make my errections blow on her.any opinions about love and new girlfriends?
                What I have manage in these 4 years of serious PE is something extreme more extreme even from yoga.I can put my mind in my penis and force blood into it without a errection with out a feeling just with my relaxation and mind game and send it from 6" to 8.4".I seriously find it very strange:D :p

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by papaki View Post
                  Thanks for understanding my fears.only jeqls and streches I did and warm ups.No hangs and no pills.I think that overtrain is more in mind than in the penis it self.Some times because I have many work to do I study for 5 hours go to university for 9 hours and make PE the rest two hours.Then because my mind is very tired I feel overtrained and this causes turtling.Other time when not having PE I can PE for more than two hours and not feel Overtrained at all and no turtling.I could say that I have very big hangings only when I feel relaxed not have any anxious and feel good.So in my opinion you must not overtrain your self because the penis it self I think that is not very easy overtrainded.Just think that for a whole year for about 340 days and for two hours a day I had an errection to make my jeqls.But I could errect.If I couldnt then I should have been overtrained.

                  something off topic.Today I meet a girl that I like so much.I dont know what to do because I love my girlfriend and I like this new girl very much and I think that she can make my errections blow on her.any opinions about love and new girlfriends?
                  Pap im still worried about you. Fear is going to make your dick shrink knock it off! Are you taking at least two days rest now? you have acomplished what most merely dream of. Not real concerned about flaccid stretch length. How are those erections are they rock hard?


                  For I will restore health unto thee and I will heal thee of thine wounds, saith the Lord Jeremiah 30:17

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by papaki View Post

                    something off topic.Today I meet a girl that I like so much.I dont know what to do because I love my girlfriend and I like this new girl very much and I think that she can make my errections blow on her.any opinions about love and new girlfriends?
                    Sounds like your penis is craving for fresh meat . Maybe the sex with your girlfriend has got a little boring? Add some kink.

                    If you love your girlfriend i think you would be EXTREMELY stupid to break up with her over some new tail.

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                    • #11
                      No kingpole.this days we have less work to do with the university so I have many free time.Not so dificult these days....
                      What I have manage in these 4 years of serious PE is something extreme more extreme even from yoga.I can put my mind in my penis and force blood into it without a errection with out a feeling just with my relaxation and mind game and send it from 6" to 8.4".I seriously find it very strange:D :p

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by scientificapproach View Post
                        Ah thanks for your posts guys!

                        Yes I can't see how PEing when your turtled is going to do much except turtle it more, and I presume you wont grow when your turtling beacuse something in there has been overtrained?!

                        Interesting point fendoll. One thing I had heard when wearing an extender is that constant force cancels cell death (apoptosis) and then switches the mechanism to cell renewal. I personally didn't experience this when I used my extender, I just wore my penis out, which makes me think perhaps this constant force has to be tiny, anything with more force seems to require rest days IMO.

                        My opinion on extenders is that they are great as a supplement to PE just like pumping or hanging but cannot be the foundation of your PE routine, they don't have a way to exercise all the different areas to promote good growth or EQ. The reason I say this is because of the lack of heat that is applied during the routine, your unit is pretty much at a cooled state the entire time. The most important part of any routine is the warmup, without this the tissues are not relaxed and can't be stretched or deformed. Just think of a piece of steel, at room temp it is as strong as it can get but once it heats up it can be formed into almost any shape. This goes for a wide variety of materials and they are in our bodies to, the lack of heat during long duration stretches could account for the lack of gains produced by them.

                        When the BC muscle has been overtrained it will not work correctly, it contains some smooth muscle at the end of the CC's. If the smooth muscle in the CC's becomes overtrained it will not let any blood pass into them so you get your turtle effect or weak erection. The smooth muscle needs rest to grow and recover but the Tunica is a different monster on it's own. Ever how you decide to deal with the Tunica it will require a great deal of heat to make it work effectively.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by scientificapproach View Post
                          OK, when I hung weights I was informed that rest days were alien to PE, and that PE was about deforming tough parts of the body (namely ligaments and tunica). Now I tried this approach for 6 weeks hanging several hours a day, at the end I measured and was down a 1/4 inch from my best errection length. I assumed hanging this way wasnt working for me. I switched to wearing an extender for as many hours a day as I could (3-7hrs) for 7 weeks. Again not a single rest day. This had the same end result!

                          I have also performed manual PE for 3 months with rest days every few days, pumping for 6 weeks with a rest days every 4-7 days and manual PE with no rest days.

                          I feel like I have exhausted the possibilities. And what I still find confusing are the occasional comments I read that constant PE is a definite must (because to PE is about deforming and rest only hinders this).

                          SA
                          Sounds like you have a tuff Tunica indeed, maybe refine your warmup and go from there. From a glance it would seem that the Tunica requires no rest but I would suppose the other tissues attached to it would need some sort of break. As long as your PI's are good then "hang" in there. You will need to find the required intensity and/or time to produce an overtrained state eventually, I can become overtrained on a mon,wed, fri with the weekends off and it doesn't take much for me to get there. Just like riding bikes, I know how hard I can push to make it 10 miles at speed but if I go passed that point I will burnout and lose time. If I make it 10 miles and feel I have more left then I will bump it up a little the next time out. To keep you from having to keep increasing intensity then breaks are need at some point to decondition your unit, this topic would require another thread though. Hope that made some sense.

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                          • #14
                            HT. Yes, thankyou, you have touched upon what I was trying to get at in this thread. When I first read about PI's I thought they were such a wonderful discovery, and I still do. I just find it an intersting issue that if you (like me) seem to find it quite easy to go into the negative PI zone from your PE (either too much intensity, or duration, or both) then this seems to conflict with the more heavy approach which many adopt to "deform" ligs and tunica. Some structures require constant work and others need rest?! Catch 22!

                            I once spoke to a guy who said he gained an inch in a year from just 10 mins of pumping at fairly low pressure (3-5hg). I see this as the perfect example of gaining while sticking exclusively to the PI rule. But then there are those like Bib and DLD who didn't rest and did alot of high intensity work and yet gained. I personally see these approaches as opposites. Maybe this is where the individual can react so differently to the same approach!

                            My only worry about PI's is that, yes maybe you are not overtraining (as HT says not overtraining the smooth muscle in the BC muscle and CC's) but are you doing enough to attack the stronger layers (cause growth or stretch/deform) such as the tunica?! I think the ultimate indicator is size. When I hung and went against PI's and saw a decrease in errect size, then I cannot help but feel this approach is not a wise choice, if you see growth then great! Perhaps even light routines do effect the tunica, its just a slow process

                            What interested me was maybe there is a middle ground. I did try a very light routine where I rested much more than I PEed, and I did seem to notice a fuller flaccid size (positive PI) but then is this enough to promote growth. The other end was when I did loads of PE (hanging and extenders) and then saw lots of negative PI's but pushed forward to deform tough structures, and then saw shrinkage. Perhaps if one were to get some rest but try to PE more days that he rests this is the ideal zone. Of course you could argue that if I carried on either the "light" or "heavy" approach for longer I may have seen gains, however I guess after a certain point you question is this sensible if you are only seeing negative results (as was the case with my heavier approach)

                            I think what I am trying to get at is sometimes it feels like one has two choices, to follow the PI rule which usually means less and lighter, or to go abit more "heavy" and increase force and duration and also have less rest and aim to attack tougher structures. I think right now I am inclined to go lighter and just go for a long period of time!

                            HT, about the heat issue. Do you feel extenders pumping and hanging would be more beneficial (at least to tunica growth) if one were to warm up well first? You are right, I never warmed up for wearing and extender or pumping, and only warmed up for my first daily haning session.

                            Thanks

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