Python Extra (herbal supplement from Vitamin Shoppe)

[Back of my Lac Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Back of my Lac]

Hi Everyone, I was interested in trying to find something to help my libido. Im 27 years old and noticed my libido has severely dropped in the past year or so. When I masturbate, I still get erections but need constant stimulation to stay up or it will get soft quickly. Before I could walk around with an erection for minutes and not worry about it getting flaccid. Im new to this forum so just learning about exercises, kegals, edging, etc but was wondering about supplements that could help? I went to Vitamin Shoppe (like a GNC) by my house and bought this herbal supplement called Python Extra. Any ideas if this could help? I'll keep everyone updated to see if this works at all.

It has:
200 mg of Arctic Root
200 mg of Damiana
60 mg of Gotu Kola
200 mg of Oat Straw
200 mg of Muira Puama
200 mg of Saw Palmetto
60 mg of Ginkgo Biloba
200 mg of Eleuthero
200 mg of Korean Ginseng
100 mg of Guarana Extract
200 mg of Schizandra Chinensis
400 mg of Stinging Nettles
500 mg of Tribulus Terrestris

[curly Member Find all posts View Profile Close curly]

Sounds ok. Let us know your results.

[braidz Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close braidz]

Yea those ingrediants are legit for your goal........may even help with size depending on your exercise and diet........good luck...I know what you going through.....

[Back of my Lac Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Back of my Lac]

Well I took the suggested dose of 2 pills last night after my dinner. Didn't really feel any different. I'll keep taking it though. Does anyone know if its best taking these types of supplements with a meal or on an empty stomach?

[braidz Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close braidz]

All pills are differently....some want to b on empty stomach wgile others with food..............I'm about to start taking muscle warfare nmda to help with my size......supposely it restarts puberty.....

[CUSP82 Administrator Admin of the Month Dec 2014PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close CUSP82]

Remember supplements take time. It's not like taking an aspirin and your headache goes away.

[Back of my Lac Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Back of my Lac]

Yeah I'm aware that supplements isn't gonna be an overnight thing I'm wondering tho if anyone knows if these indgredients would work efficiently with or without a meal. The bottle only said take 2 daily. Tonight ill try taking them on an empty stomach I suppose.

[phallic1 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close phallic1]

Considering that there are two opposing ingredients in the forumula I would recon the manufacturer does'nt reseach or know or care much about how and why the ingredients work...just that it's marketable and makes money.

Saw palmetto is a 5AR inhibitor, ( quite possible Urtica dioscia as well)...tribulus terrestris is a 5AR stimulator (based on studies from Bulgaria in the 80's) ehancing the conversion of testosterone to dihydrotestosterone.

I am a big supporter of Tribulus Terrestris for male sexual performance and PE for this reason. TT started its history more or less as a libido tonic. Later studies showed that the supported active ingredient was most likely a saponin called protodioscin. Studies showed that the protodioscin content in TT had an positive effect on male sexual function due to it's ability to stimulate 5 alpha reductase activity, enhancing the conversion of testosterone to it's much more potent reduction of dihydrotestosterone. With this androgenic discovery behind TT the herb soon attracted attention of Bulgarian athletic performance researchers, primarilly the powerlifters, (remember Bulgaria was known for domination of powerlifting or Olympic lifting and strength sports). DHT has know effects on power and strength performance.
Soon, bodybuilders learnt of TT and it became the 'buzz' because of anecdotal talk of it enhancing testostosterone. Well, TT became a failed anabolic supplement when bodybuilders of all walks tried it hoping for massive steroid like gains overnight...and got shit in return. Most bodybuilders and marketers of TT have no clue what it does or how it works. Somewhere along the line it became common to hear that TT increased LH contributing to enhanced Leydig cell uptake of cholesterol resulting in more testosterone production. TT has a small effect of LH levels and testosterone production but primarilly it converts T to DHT via 5AR. Skeletal muscle cell have a low affinity for DHT and DHT is far more androgenic than anabolic, thus the failure with the bodybuilding world.
Now, the penis and related glands are fueled by DHT and have lots of 5AR and the androgen receptors for DHT....sorry I'm rambling on....back the original thread topic.

Why would you put both substances in the same formula based on those facts?

[DemOne Banned Find all posts View Profile Close DemOne]

Complete waste of money in my opinion. Not only what phallic1 posted, but there's a lot of ingredients there that are still unknown as to what benefits they may have (currently hypothetical benefits as they're not properly tested), and some that are in such small doses compared to larger ones that yield minimal results in scientific studies, there's no way it could be beneficial.

Are you only after increasing your libido? What is your health currently like? How is your diet? How often are you masturbating?

[phallic1 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close phallic1]

Exactly.

[RockstarParkingDude Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close RockstarParkingDude]

all in one supplements are usually bunk. better to look for the most effective ingredients and search them out individually - usually cheaper too.

for the supplement to have that much of each ingredient, it would need to be a 3g serving - thats like 6 big ass pills. i wouldn't take it on an empty stomach, but then again i have a fairly weak stomach for pills.

[Back of my Lac Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Back of my Lac]

Thanks for the info phallic1. Makes sense if your research is correct. My physical health is pretty good. I'm 27 years old, work out 4 days a week (weight and cardio). My last physical exam says my blood pressure is fine and cholesterol levels are perfect. I rarely eat junk food and make sure i eat high fiber, whole grain, high protein meals daily. I also try to drink green tea twice daily.

My libido is what I am concerened with. I would say I average masturbating once every two days and sometimes less. This is alot less than what I used to do just a year ago (almost twice daily, but guaranteed once a day). I also notice i am losing the urge to masturbate nowadays, kinda like I'm forcing myself to do it. For the last few months I've only had sex with my girlfriend about once a week (due to our conflicting schedules and distance). Even in sex I notice my erection fluctuates, sometimes it gets hard and a few seconds it goes back down and I have to work to get it back up to only get semi-hard again.

This is basically the reason I recently joined this forum. I've been reading the about techniques on exercising and hoping that will work but I'm hoping theres a supplement of food source out there that can help.
So should i keep going with these pills? Try something else? Just work on the exercising?

[DemOne Banned Find all posts View Profile Close DemOne]

By chance, are you taking Lysine and/or Arginine when you workout?

[Back of my Lac Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Back of my Lac]

I do take l-arginine supplements for my muscles workouts. I think it has helped with my cardio/weight workouts. Does it help with libido too? From the little I read I see that its supposed to help. I haven't done research on Lysine? Doyou recommend it?

[RockstarParkingDude Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close RockstarParkingDude]

have you noticed any other changes other than just libido in the past year? have you gained weight? have you had less energy? have you had a less positive mood overall?

lots of factors can change your hormone levels - age, especially in the late 20's early 30's, diet, stress, and something a lot of people don't know is that having a long term relationship actually changes your hormone levels. you might have lowT, you could get checked out for that, it might be your problem.