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  • My thoughts regarding LBG and TGC as they apply to my progress.

    People smarter than I, please poke holes in this.

    I have spent a lot of time thinking about the two competing hypotheses, Length Before Girth (LBG) and Tissue Gains Clues (TGC). I have encountered a stumbling block in my training which I think can add to the discussion.

    Background:

    • Began PE 4-15-13 with BPEL 5.875", BPFSL 5.875", and EG 4.25" (EQ 9/10).
    • By week 5 of JP90 I had reached BPEL 6.75", BPFSL 7.0", and EG 4.5" (EQ 9/10).
    • Weeks 6, 7, and 8 saw a sudden halt to all gains.
    • Week 8 showed decreasing EQ.
    • I have been modifying JP90 in various ways, but the simple version is that I have been doing stretch and low-EQ-jelqing a lot more than high-EQ-jelqing.
    • Before PE I had never had EQ problems.


    That is the history. Today I measured for week 9. Flaccid stretch and girth are unchanged. BPEL was 6.5", a full quarter inch short of my last "official" measurement on week 7. The reason was pretty clear, the best erection I was able to get was about a 7.5/10. This problem has been creeping in over the last couple weeks.

    My Thoughts on Why:
    Looking at the LBG hypothesis, there is no explanation for this beyond over-training or some lifestyle factor outside of PE (smoking, sleep, drugs, etc.) For this to be the explanation, one would expect that the sudden change in progress would be accompanied by a sudden change in another factor (increase in PE volume, recent lack of sleep, drug use, etc.), which I cannot find. At this time I live a very predictable life, and there really have not been any such changes.

    Looking at the TGC hypothesis, it actually predicts this very scenario. I started with equal BPEL and BPFSL, and over the weeks my BPFSL increased more than my BPEL. According to TGC, this means my tunica size increased out of proportion to increases in the smooth muscle, and TGC predicts that the results of this would be stalled gains and loss of erection quality, exactly the symptoms that developed as my BPFSL began to leave my BPEL behind.

    My Proposal for a Test:
    According to what I have read of TGC, altering my training to include more girth work, perhaps to the point even of 70% girth / 30% length, would be the proper solution to this problem. What I should see from that is increasing EQ AND a return to gains in both length and girth.

    I have 4 weeks left in my beginner 90 days. What I will do is the standard JP90, with the jelqs done at 70% erection or above. I will also add in supra-slammers in a rep range of 5 to 15. Also, I will be doing edging a couple times a week, probably in separate sessions. I believe that if TGC has any validity, I should see results from this within that 4 week period, at a minimum a sharp improvement in EQ.


    PEGym Forums, your thoughts please?
    Ziege
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    Last edited by Ziege; 06-15-2013, 05:09 PM.
    Ziege

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  • #2
    The only change that I would do is at the end of your sessions. I would add edging at the end of your session.
    PE is a lot like sex. First you have to find your technique, rotate your routine, and then plan on it taking a while. Then you will find satisfaction.

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    • #3
      Apologies, I had planned to add edging to the routine and forgot to mention it. I will edit the original. However, due to time issues, it will probably be separate edging sessions a couple times a week.
      Ziege

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Ziege View Post
        Apologies, I had planned to add edging to the routine and forgot to mention it. I will edit the original. However, due to time issues, it will probably be separate edging sessions a couple times a week.
        That is how I would start, but I would try to add it after each session if possible. You probably only need 10 or 15 minutes.
        PE is a lot like sex. First you have to find your technique, rotate your routine, and then plan on it taking a while. Then you will find satisfaction.

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        • #5
          Are you measuring consistently? If I change my measurement methods up, even the angle of my body, I can boost my "size" to 8.5" and above.
          Starting: 4/2/2013
          BPEL: 7.5"
          MEG: 5.25"
          BEG: 6"
          BPFSL: 8.1"

          Current:
          BPEL: 8.25"
          MEG: 5.5" (-.25")
          BEG: 6" (-.25")
          BPFSL: 8.75"
          NBPEL: 7.75"

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          • #6
            I am measuring consistently. I was intuitively aware of the risk of poor measuring so I read the measuring section thoroughly, and discovered that I had been doing it correctly even before I started PE. So the 5.875" starting BPEL was very consistent over years and dozens of measurements. And while I have an "official" measuring day, I do measure frequently and this has been a trend.
            Ziege

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            • #7
              This is a very interesting topic.

              As stated, seems like you are on the right path (smooth muscle targeting routine).

              How does one target BPEL and not BPFSL?

              Can someone explain how edging could help with this situation?

              Thanks!

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              • #8
                Edging is an overall health workout. It involves kegeling the blood in and keeping it there. I prefer to wrapp my penis in my heat pad while I do this and occasionally message under my testicles. The massage pushes more blood in and make a firm erection- probably a 9 or 10 EQ.

                Not only does this workout improve EQ, but also opens the door to other work such as ballooning and MMO. This is a great exercise and
                PE is a lot like sex. First you have to find your technique, rotate your routine, and then plan on it taking a while. Then you will find satisfaction.

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                • #9
                  As for the BPEL vs. BPFSL, I think there are exercises which will primarily work flaccid stretch, such as Lazy Ass Stretches. But in TGC thinking, just working the smooth muscles will do it, because what is holding my BPEL back is an inability of the smooth muscle to fully "block off", if you will, the tunica during erection.
                  Ziege

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