What grows?

[Mr. TeenieWeenie Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Mr. TeenieWeenie]

This is basically a noob post but I just wanted to make a thread to really understand how the penis really grows during workouts and rest days. I have read many contradicting ideas but nothing has really made sense, Bio majors welcome! Feel free to add or correct what I have written.

There are three ways I can think of your penis growing

1. tunica- basically the tissue in your penis stretches and becomes longer over time under stress. So I have heard that the cells in your penis expand then divide when this is the case.

2. ligs- loosening the ligs releases hidden penis that is other wise attached to your pubic bone.

3. expression stretching- which is stretching penis that is hidden. This is the same process as the tunica type stretching but the target is "inner penis".

What is actually happening during workouts to the tissue? What is happening during rest days to the tissue? What happens to the tissue if you over work it? What happens to the tissue if you work it out during rest days?

[Mr. TeenieWeenie Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Mr. TeenieWeenie]

I think this should have been posted in the science and theory forum

[BoaConstrictor Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close BoaConstrictor]

I think this should have been posted in the science and theory forum

I agree. ^

The way I visualize it is that the tunica is like the outer layer which needs to be stretched to accommodate the amount of capacity the erection can be. The corpus chambers are the erection "pockets" which hold the blood and also must be stretched.
I'm not sure how the ligs work.
I believe the science is that the cells stretch beyond capacity and multiply in size during healing...

I would also like to be corrected if wrong.

[Mr. TeenieWeenie Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Mr. TeenieWeenie]

I agree. ^

The way I visualize it is that the tunica is like the outer layer which needs to be stretched to accommodate the amount of capacity the erection can be. The corpus chambers are the erection "pockets" which hold the blood and also must be stretched.
I'm not sure how the ligs work.
I believe the science is that the cells stretch beyond capacity and multiply in size during healing...

I would also like to be corrected if wrong.

This may sound a little like TGC theory but this is what I am thinking. The tunica is wrapped around the CC's and is the limiting factor when trying to make length gains, but the CC's also have to be stretched? In what way? Wouldn't they also get stretched when you are stretching the tunica length wise? or do they have to be stretched with a girth workout? What about other structures like the CS and the urethra?

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Stretching
The tunica and the ligaments stretch and the tissue becomes longer. This phenomenon is often replicated by repetitive stress injuries. Over time, tennis players will find their shoulder on their racket arm becomes loose such that overhand serves can dislocate their shoulder. The tendons in the shoulder have stretched so far that they no longer provide the support required to keep the joint together.

Stretching the ligaments and the tunica (inside and outside of the body) aims to do the same thing, elongate the tissue. By pulling SO on the penis the load is transmitted along the tunica to the ligaments. At the point of attachment the ligaments absorb most of the load significantly reducing the load felt on the tunica behind the ligs. When you change the angle to SD, you transmit more load to the ligs with the intent of stretching them first.

Deforming the ligs by hanging SD first, allows you to stretch more of the tunica of the interior penis once you start hanging SO. Consider this; you hang SD and deform your ligaments so they are 1" longer. When you hang SO the point where your ligaments attach to your tunica can stretch 1" further than it could before hanging SD. This means more of the SO load is felt by the tunica of the inside penis. Therefore, by pre-stretching the ligaments your are able to stretch a higher percentage of your tunica.

Smooth Muscle
However, this is only part of the equation. The smooth muscles must increase to fill the bigger "baloon" of your larger tunica (CCs). This requires a return to the tried and true jelq. Jelqing stretches the soft muscles of the penis. Constant stretching leads first to elongation then to division (mitosis). Eventually you create enough cells to fill the tunica.

Increasing the number of smooth muscle cells is not uncommon. Competitive eaters have a regiment that keeps the stomach expanded so it gets bigger. Those of us who grew up taking long road-trips without bathroom breaks have had to "hold it" until we stop. This stretches the bladder and makes it larger. Athletes' circulatory and respiratory systems get larger to accommodate higher blood flow to support their activity. Penis exercises are intended to increase the smooth muscles to accommodate a larger penis.

This leads us to the TGC theory. The cycle of PE begins with stretching and jelqing. While there is some tunica and ligament deformation the primary factors of change is the increase in smooth muscle. This leads to the "newbie" gains that come rather quickly because your erections are stronger.

Eventually the jelqing, stretching, and the internal pressure from the smooth muscle are insufficient to deform the tunica. This is when the effort switches to tunica deformation via hanging (for length), bundled stretches (some emphasis on girth), or other manual girth work that stretches the tunica's girth.

If this is not accompanied by jelqing (because there are only 24 hours in a day) then it is likely that EQ drops. Naturally this is because your tunica is larger but you've neglected to increase the number of smooth muscles to fill the larger size.

The next step is to return to smooth muscle exercises to fill up your new size.

PE then becomes a balanced back-and-forth between tunica deformation and smooth cell production.

Rest Days
PE is the delicate balance between straining sufficiently to gain (elongation and micro-tears for tunica and ligs, mitosis for smooth muscle) but not so much that we suffer from repetitive injury (macro-tears in tunica, ligaments, capillaries, and smooth muscle).

Rest days are the key ingredient to this balance. You must provide enough rest to allow the cells to mend. In the case of smooth muscle, rest so the cells can divide. In the case of ligs and tunica, avoid over working the tissue.

[BoaConstrictor Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close BoaConstrictor]

What's SO and SD?

[MrB8 Senior Member Member of the Month Nov 2013 Find all posts View Profile Close MrB8]

Straight Out, Straight Down.

[BoaConstrictor Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close BoaConstrictor]

Straight Out, Straight Down.

Thanks. I had no idea the direction accounted for so much.

[MrB8 Senior Member Member of the Month Nov 2013 Find all posts View Profile Close MrB8]

Thanks. I had no idea the direction accounted for so much.

You're welcome.

[Mr. TeenieWeenie Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Mr. TeenieWeenie]

Stretching
The tunica and the ligaments stretch and the tissue becomes longer. This phenomenon is often replicated by repetitive stress injuries. Over time, tennis players will find their shoulder on their racket arm becomes loose such that overhand serves can dislocate their shoulder. The tendons in the shoulder have stretched so far that they no longer provide the support required to keep the joint together.

Stretching the ligaments and the tunica (inside and outside of the body) aims to do the same thing, elongate the tissue. By pulling SO on the penis the load is transmitted along the tunica to the ligaments. At the point of attachment the ligaments absorb most of the load significantly reducing the load felt on the tunica behind the ligs. When you change the angle to SD, you transmit more load to the ligs with the intent of stretching them first.

Deforming the ligs by hanging SD first, allows you to stretch more of the tunica of the interior penis once you start hanging SO. Consider this; you hang SD and deform your ligaments so they are 1" longer. When you hang SO the point where your ligaments attach to your tunica can stretch 1" further than it could before hanging SD. This means more of the SO load is felt by the tunica of the inside penis. Therefore, by pre-stretching the ligaments your are able to stretch a higher percentage of your tunica.

Smooth Muscle
However, this is only part of the equation. The smooth muscles must increase to fill the bigger "baloon" of your larger tunica (CCs). This requires a return to the tried and true jelq. Jelqing stretches the soft muscles of the penis. Constant stretching leads first to elongation then to division (mitosis). Eventually you create enough cells to fill the tunica.

Increasing the number of smooth muscle cells is not uncommon. Competitive eaters have a regiment that keeps the stomach expanded so it gets bigger. Those of us who grew up taking long road-trips without bathroom breaks have had to "hold it" until we stop. This stretches the bladder and makes it larger. Athletes' circulatory and respiratory systems get larger to accommodate higher blood flow to support their activity. Penis exercises are intended to increase the smooth muscles to accommodate a larger penis.

This leads us to the TGC theory. The cycle of PE begins with stretching and jelqing. While there is some tunica and ligament deformation the primary factors of change is the increase in smooth muscle. This leads to the "newbie" gains that come rather quickly because your erections are stronger.

Eventually the jelqing, stretching, and the internal pressure from the smooth muscle are insufficient to deform the tunica. This is when the effort switches to tunica deformation via hanging (for length), bundled stretches (some emphasis on girth), or other manual girth work that stretches the tunica's girth.

If this is not accompanied by jelqing (because there are only 24 hours in a day) then it is likely that EQ drops. Naturally this is because your tunica is larger but you've neglected to increase the number of smooth muscles to fill the larger size.

The next step is to return to smooth muscle exercises to fill up your new size.

PE then becomes a balanced back-and-forth between tunica deformation and smooth cell production.

Rest Days
PE is the delicate balance between straining sufficiently to gain (elongation and micro-tears for tunica and ligs, mitosis for smooth muscle) but not so much that we suffer from repetitive injury (macro-tears in tunica, ligaments, capillaries, and smooth muscle).

Rest days are the key ingredient to this balance. You must provide enough rest to allow the cells to mend. In the case of smooth muscle, rest so the cells can divide. In the case of ligs and tunica, avoid over working the tissue.

I cannot praise that post enough, it was exactly what I was looking for. Nice work namsokiek. Unfortunately that raises more questions for you guys to answer, lets start with the simplest.

1. Wouldn't it be ok if the Ligs tore? Don't people pay thousands of dollars to have their ligs cut?

2. Micro-tearing the tunica is ideal, so having a lower EQ doesn't necessarily mean stop PE if it persists but instead means switch to a more girth oriented routine, correct?

3. Would it be ok to not stop PEing until negative PI's showed up? more importantly EQ decreased?

4. Extenders would be more useful when ligs are out of the way, When can you tell that ligs are not a limiting factor anymore?

And once again, fantastic info. Kudos Namsokiek!

more questions:

5. A good long term plan of attack for PE would be to target the ligs first, then go for tunica then like you said alternate depending what your EQ looks like or do both lig work and tunica work in the same workout session? I think the TGC theory also said BPFSL.5>BPEL to do girth work.

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1. Wouldn't it be ok if the Ligs tore? Don't people pay thousands of dollars to have their ligs cut?

2. Micro-tearing the tunica is ideal, so having a lower EQ doesn't necessarily mean stop PE if it persists but instead means switch to a more girth oriented routine, correct?

3. Would it be ok to not stop PEing until negative PI's showed up? more importantly EQ decreased?

4. Extenders would be more useful when ligs are out of the way, When can you tell that ligs are not a limiting factor anymore?

And once again, fantastic info. Kudos Namsokiek!

more questions:

5. A good long term plan of attack for PE would be to target the ligs first, then go for tunica then like you said alternate depending what your EQ looks like or do both lig work and tunica work in the same workout session? I think the TGC theory also said BPFSL.5>BPEL to do girth work.

1. Theoretically it's ok, but it will hurt like hell. In addition, what happens to the load the moment after the ligs have snapped? It shock-loads your penis as it drops then is arrested by the penis (probably tearing other tissues as this happens).

2. Correct. Remember, hanging and girth work are both PE

3. There are too many variables to offer a conclusive answer to this.

4. The "exit angle" of your penis. You'll have to look that up for a more conclusive description.

5. Any hanging affects the tunica of the outer penis. The different angles of attack place greater emphasis on the supporting ligaments. Only by stretching the ligs can you affect the tunica of the inner penis. Remember there are more ligs than the suspensory lig that need to be stretched.

Girth work also attacks the tunica if done properly. However, you should alternate tunica work and smooth muscle work for best results.

[blackscale Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close blackscale]

Is it recommended that when stretching to start by SD and then stretch SO and so on in order for the ligaments to be more stretched out from the SD stretch?

[Mr. TeenieWeenie Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Mr. TeenieWeenie]

Last question: So if you are stretching in any other direction other than straight down you are not stretching the tunica? If you are you are not stretching the entire tunica? How many ligs are there? is there a diagram you can point me to?

[Joint-Expansion Senior Member Member of the Month August 2014 Find all posts View Profile Close Joint-Expansion]

This is actually a great thread Mr. TeenieWeenie! I think understanding WHAT grows, and HOW, is an essential part of evolving this medium of transformation we are all after.

[BoaConstrictor Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close BoaConstrictor]

I am curious..

How can one know the right amount of rest days that are required for their growth..?