PE: Evidence Based Medicine

[inquiringmind Member Find all posts View Profile Close inquiringmind]

I'm new, so I apologize if this has been addressed. I've seen a lot of posts about PE not having a scientific basis and the reasoning for that. It just got me wondering, have any doctors done this to see if it works? If the scientific community believes it doesn't work, couldn't some of those in that community try it themselves and see? I realize PE is based on theory, but there are other things in medicine that are based purely on theory at this point. I'm subscribe to the school of thought that if it works, it works, even if you don't know how yet. Sure, I'd love to understand the physiology more, but I'm hoping that'll come later. I'm not gonna wait on it.
So, my question is, has anyone here volunteered the information that they are from the scientific community and have done PE with results?
(I do realize that people can say they are anyone on here, I'm just assuming that the people here are honest).

[Steneo Senior MemberPEGym Hero Member of the Month Dec 2013 Find all posts View Profile Close Steneo]

It's a good question...I'm gonna just copy and paste a response I gave to another guy about wanting evidence/proof because I think it's applicable to your question as well. The tone is a bit confrontational because the questioner in that case was a bit confrontational. Oh, and I've outed myself repeatedly as a member of both the medical and scientific communities. If you want the extending studies let me know and I can probably find them fairly easily (feeling lazy at the moment and don't really want to)

I appreciate your desire for scientific evidence. First lets just remove the phrase "picture proof" as there is no such thing really. Digital photographs are so easily manipulated that if you believe them as absolute proof then there is no hope for you scientifically. There are published studies on extending though the studies are imperfect...since you are so desirous of evidence I assume you've found and read them. With regard to PE exercises, there really is no scientific proof of efficacy. Additionally, since you seem interested in the mechanism, which I think is laudable, you should be aware that there are no real scientific studies there either. It just is not an area that science is interested in.


There are reasons for this. First, the exercises are medically unnecessary (larger penis is not a requirement) and they do carry risk. Ethics would prevent such a study for this reason (i.e. - the risk benefit ratio is bad). Additionally, there is no money to be made. This raises the funding question. If you want to do any kind of real research you need funding (this stuff is NOT free, trust me). So who funds research? The three primary sources are government (which is out because there is no great public need for this - as previously mentioned this is all medically unnecessary), private industry (which is out because there is nothing to sell), and foundations.


The last one is the only possible source with any hope but first you need somebody to set up a foundation, with significant financial backing, that is interested in funding penis enlargement research. Even in this strange universe where such a foundation might exist, you still have the ethical problems I highlighted earlier that would essentially preclude any human studies...though you could possibly do an in vitro or animal study to determine mechanism I suppose. This might provide interesting information for the PE community but, to my knowledge, there is no foundation like that.


There are several interesting threads I've seen before that discuss peripherally related science that may be applicable to PE due to similar biological composition and function of the tissues/processes studied, but even there we have to make assumptions and generalizations. I apologize, but I can't find them right now as I've easily read thousands of threads since I first came here.


The bottom line, unfortunately, is that at some point you have to take a leap of faith. Read, think, analyze in your mind to your heart's content (I think this is good, you should be damn sure you want to do this before you do it) but, and I know you don't want to hear this, the only way to "prove" it to yourself is try it.

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Thank you for the response. I'm going to try to read it as soon as possible. I'm driving at present. Also, I would be interested in seeing those studies, but don't worry about rushing with that. I'm a student, so I have plenty of reading to do as it is. I'm glad there are members of the scientific community here. I am also, but I just got involved in that community.

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I guess my initial thought for this thread was that if a physician tried PE and it worked, would he feel comfortable (or would it be legal) to direct a patient that was asking about it to this site. I know docs have to practice evidence based medicine these days. I wonder if telling a patient that PE does work and this site can help get you results will lead to ethical or legal repercussions since PE isn't "evidence based". I'd just hate to have my patient asking me and have to say, "No, there's no proven method, but you can try these pills or this surgery", as I sit there knowing I have a bigger penis from exercises I learned about here.

[PanBird Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close PanBird]

PE works. People are just too lazy to believe it works. Someone once said it's like the gym. Everyone knows it works, but few have the will to actually put some hours in the gym to look hotter.

Simply.

[TLCTugger Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close TLCTugger]

The only thing "medical" about PE that I've heard of was the use of extenders to let phimosis treatment patients heal under traction. It was written about in three European research papers in the past 5 years or so. At least 2 were from Italy. Sorry I don't have links handy.

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I guess my initial thought for this thread was that if a physician tried PE and it worked, would he feel comfortable (or would it be legal) to direct a patient that was asking about it to this site. I know docs have to practice evidence based medicine these days. I wonder if telling a patient that PE does work and this site can help get you results will lead to ethical or legal repercussions since PE isn't "evidence based". I'd just hate to have my patient asking me and have to say, "No, there's no proven method, but you can try these pills or this surgery", as I sit there knowing I have a bigger penis from exercises I learned about here.

There are doctors on this site who know PE works. But it's like you said: a doctor could NEVER recommend PE to a patient that came in and asked about PE. There are a few doctors who now recommend pumping as a means of fixing ED though, I believe.

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There are doctors on this site who know PE works. But it's like you said: a doctor could NEVER recommend PE to a patient that came in and asked about PE. There are a few doctors who now recommend pumping as a means of fixing PE though, I believe.

That's what I was wondering. Thank you for the response.

[Big Al AdministratorPEGym EditorMale Enhancement Coach Rep.PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Big Al]

It's interesting that the penis is still seen as such a taboo in many medical circles- though the tide is turning on that. I remember when much of cosmetic surgery was considered "unethical", but today the most frivolous of procedures are some of the biggest medical money makers around.

(According to clients) In Europe, extenders are sold in stores and even funded by medical insurance. There have also been studies done on them with positive results.

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It's interesting that the penis is still seen as such a taboo in many medical circles- though the tide is turning on that. I remember when much of cosmetic surgery was considered "unethical", but today the most frivolous of procedures are some of the biggest medical money makers around.

(According to clients) In Europe, extenders are sold in stores and even funded by medical insurance. There have also been studies done on them with positive results.

Big Al,
Thanks for the response. I didn't know about any of that. It is definitely a taboo subject as far as I know.
The reason for this thread is that I'm a medical student, and as everyone here knows, PE isn't seen as legitimate in the medical community. When I came across this website, it fascinated me that these exercises actually do work. I can't wait to start and prove it for myself. Maybe by the time I'm practicing it'll be a subject that can be approached with patients and even advised.

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You're welcome

You might find the following to be of interest:

https://www.pegym.com/forums/penis-e...ullshit-4.html

https://www.pegym.com/forums/pe-theo...behind-pe.html

The Tunica Albuginea's Role in Penis Enhancement

Penis Creep & Its Scientific Implications

[inquiringmind Member Find all posts View Profile Close inquiringmind]

You're welcome

You might find the following to be of interest:

https://www.pegym.com/forums/penis-e...ullshit-4.html

https://www.pegym.com/forums/pe-theo...behind-pe.html

The Tunica Albuginea's Role in Penis Enhancement

Penis Creep & Its Scientific Implications

Thanks!! What I've read so far is fascinating!

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Thanks!! What I've read so far is fascinating!

You're welcome

[PurpleOnes Senior Member Member of the Month June 2014PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close PurpleOnes]

I personally do PE and I have gotten results already so I don't really care about the science community.

Most of people find PE weird and I guess those stupid adds with the pills that help you gain 4 inches in 2 weeks do not help the situation at all

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I personally do PE and I have gotten results already so I don't really care about the science community.

Most of people find PE weird and I guess those stupid adds with the pills that help you gain 4 inches in 2 weeks do not help the situation at all

I think you are exactly right. The ads make any time of penis enlargement appear as fake. I hope to start PE soon and see results myself. I'm only interested in the science community because medicine intrigues me in general.