Gym-rats gain faster than sedentary PE-ers?

[NP97 Retired ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close NP97]

I would agree with that. But normal working out could help PE.
I mean... I work out then do PE within an hour. Upper body days my arms = jello. Not all that fun to PE after that.

[Big Al AdministratorPEGym EditorMale Enhancement Coach Rep.PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Big Al]

Advanced training and rest

I think the discipline and record-keeping used for weight training carries over very well to PE.

There's an interesting point to Rubirosa's post that I want to focus on. I'm currently doing an article on advanced training techniques (for weight training) based on some of my experiences and from observations of other advanced trainees. I've noticed something interesting and not commonly mentioned among most of today's training literature: there is going to come a point where the stronger you get, the more rest you'll need to recuperate and overcompensate (grow).

If any of you into lifting remember some of Mike Mentzer's articles, he discusses this phenomenon at length. He had pointed out in his article that, while you can triple or even quadruple your strength levels above baseline, you'll only be able to increase your recovery ability by 50% or so. I think this method can be used to apply to other training scenarios (like advanced PE).

Once I achieved a fairly high level of size and strength, my gains slowed drastically for quite awhile. I attributed this diminishing return to "approaching my genetic limits". As time went by my business and family grew and I was occasionally forced to skip workouts (something that I rarely did before). You'll find that, as you get older and your responsibilities increase that you may not have the time or recovery ability to do everything that you were able to do as a kid

A curious thing started happening though- as I stretched out my workout schedule my size and strength started to take off in a way that hadn't happened since I was a teenager! Some of the nagging aches that I used to wake up with also started to dissipate. Whereas before I used to train each bodypart once every 5 days or so, I stretched that out to once every 7-10 days. Luckily, I kept detailed journals of my workouts/eating habits, and I found that the extra rest had to be the reason why I was noting these positive changes as there was no other variable to account for it. This was further bolstered by noting that when I did revert back to my previous schedule, my gains stopped and my post-workout soreness and pain became more intense.

In a nutshell, the more intensity you're able to generate, the more microdamage/stress you're going to incur. It would make sense for very advanced trainee to try training a little less frequently or to try "periodizing" their training (alternating heavy and light cycles/sessions) to maximize recovery.

I'll be posting a more detailed article on this subject within the next week or so for those of you that may be interested in this

[Wantmorebulge Member Find all posts View Profile Close Wantmorebulge]

Testosterone response to exercise depends on the duration and intensity of the exercise. It elevates with shorter duration exercise, and drops past a certain point as cortisol rises preferentially.

I don't know about the higher your testosterone levels go, the bigger your dick gets. Testosterone does have some short term effects on vasodilation in the penis which will increase blood flow, but past puberty, high levels of testosterone or more specifically 5a Dihydrotestosterone, do not increase tissue growth.

There comes a point where overtraining will cause all sorts of problems for the body, including increased stress response and supressed growth of most tissues. A similar effect occurs when there is systemic infection, to which the body responds by slowing down growth where possible. Whether or not this affects PE, I don't know.

so I think keeping the sexual organs up and running is the body's number one priority.

This is not the case. Survival takes priority over sexual function. For example, when energy is restricted in females, ovulation/menstruation can stop.

[kingpole Retired ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close kingpole]

As a more sedentary PE-er, I'm curious. Do you find that you gain faster than you did when you used to go to the gym regularly?

I used to go the gym pretty regularly and found that it diminished my sexual prowess, ability, mojo (whatever you want to call it). I could feel it. It was very apparent.

For example, now that I go to the gym less frequently (not to say I'm a lazy schlomo, but. . .), I notice I have a higher sex drive and I can come more often without feeling tired.

I wonder how this translates to PE. My gut feeling is that limiting gym activities like cardio and weight-lifting while doing PE can maximize results.

What is your view (British accent)?

Sounds like you were overtrainng, loss of libido means cortisol is high and testosterone is low. When you workout to hard you fry out your nervouse systme making it harder to get a woody.

Perhaps keeping gym time down to 45 minutes to two days per week is best for you at this time. If you work all musclw groups in these two days then you will remain fit. And this may translate into better EQ.

[Wantmorebulge Member Find all posts View Profile Close Wantmorebulge]

Eating before your workout and keeping well hydrated helps with the cortisol/testosterone ratio too.

[Gravik Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Gravik]

I usually always turtle when lifting. Dunno if thats hurting gains or not.

[burt Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close burt]

I think the discipline and record-keeping used for weight training carries over very well to PE.

There's an interesting point to Rubirosa's post that I want to focus on. I'm currently doing an article on advanced training techniques (for weight training) based on some of my experiences and from observations of other advanced trainees. I've noticed something interesting and not commonly mentioned among most of today's training literature: there is going to come a point where the stronger you get, the more rest you'll need to recuprate and overcompensate (grow).

If any of you into lifting remember some of Mike Mentzer's articles, he discusses this phenomenon at length. He had pointed out in his article that, while you can triple or even quadruple your strength levels above baseline, you'll only be able to increase your recovery ability by 50% or so. I think this method can be used to apply to other training scenarios (like advanced PE).

Once I achieved a fairly high level of size and strength, my gains slowed drastically for quite awhile. I attributed this diminishing return to "approaching my genetic limits". As time went by my business and family grew and I was occasionally forced to skip workouts (something that I rarely did before). You'll find that, as you get older and your responsibilities increase that you may not have the time or recovery ability to do everything that you were able to do as a kid

A curious thing started happening though- as I stretched out my workout schedule my size and strength started to take off in a way that hadn't happened since I was a teenager! Some of the nagging aches that I used to wake up with also started to dissipate. Whereas before I used to train each bodypart once every 5 days or so, I stretched that out to once every 7-10 days. Luckily, I kept detailed journals of my workouts/eating habits, and I found that the extra rest had to be the reason why I was noting these positive changes as there was no other variable to account for it. This was further bolstered by noting that when I did revert back to my previous schedule, my gains stopped and my post-workout soreness and pain became more intense.

In a nutshell, the more intensity you're able to generate, the more microdamage/stress you're going to incur. It would make sense for very advanced trainee to try training a little less frequently or to try "periodizing" their training (alternating heavy and light cycles/sessions) to maximize recovery.

I'll be posting a more detailed article on this subject within the next week or so for those of you that may be interested in this

Big Al,
I always enjoy reading your posts. I've followed the work of Mentzer and Arthur Jones since the early 90's. I made some of my best gains in strength and size by decreasing my volume and upping the intensity as suggested by both men. I consider them both ahead of their time with the training principles they espoused. I'm looking forward to anything you can post further on this subject. Thank you, Burt

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Big Al,
I always enjoy reading your posts. I've followed the work of Mentzer and Arthur Jones since the early 90's. I made some of my best gains in strength and size by decreasing my volume and upping the intensity as suggested by both men. I consider them both ahead of their time with the training principles they espoused. I'm looking forward to anything you can post further on this subject. Thank you, Burt

Thanks for those nice words

[Snooze Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Snooze]

I have only experienced limp problems and lethargy with anabolics. Otherwise, good nutrition, supplementation and rest has me always ready for the gym, work, and sex.

[TurtleProblems Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close TurtleProblems]

Personally, I think there is something to this. I know know, everyone responds differently, but so what. There does seem to be "something" at play. Same deal with ejaculation, some say it has no affect on gains. For me it does, and so does the cardio and weight lifting. Lowers my sex drive, shrinks my dick, and in the end produces lower quality PE sessions. My muscles get bigger, and my penis doesn't. So my theory is that all of the extra blood and hormones are being used for the muscles instead of the penis.

Also, just look at some guys, especially the guys with the super huge dicks (Jonah Falcon comes to mind). Most of them don't look like they've ever lifted a weight. It seems to me that its all in how you train. Train for big muscles, or train for a big dick.

[Koh Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Koh]

I wouldn't call myself a gym rat, only use my home gym for 45 minutes, 3 days a week. Then swim Monday-thursday at my school's pool.

I find myself functioning nicely, not sure about the gains though.

[NP97 Retired ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close NP97]

You can do both.
When I was lifting more and PEing more it was fantastic. Every session had me feeling pooped afterwords but I was gaining like crazy. Now this was early on, but I do think the added benefit of better circulation from the exercise helped me get better erections. By far.

[Big Al AdministratorPEGym EditorMale Enhancement Coach Rep.PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Big Al]

You can do both.
When I was lifting more and PEing more it was fantastic. Every session had me feeling pooped afterwords but I was gaining like crazy. Now this was early on, but I do think the added benefit of better circulation from the exercise helped me get better erections. By far.

I agree with the above. If you're training to the point of exhaustion- whether it's bodybuilding, running, etc., your sexual performance is naturally going to be affected. Remember- sexual activity in and of itself can be considered a "workout", and for those of you with a high degree of stamina it can easily compare to the benefits you'd receive from advanced cardio sessions in terms of calories burned, muscles worked, and gains in proficiency.

Regarding bodybuilding and PE- bodybuilders can enlarge their muscles to vastly huge proportions, and this would make their [untrained] penises seem small in comparison to the rest of their bodies. A greater than normal percentage of men who are interested in PE also bodybuild, and many of them have been able to achieve more "symmetry" by enlarging their penises to complement their degree of muscular enlargement.

[Toadstool Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Toadstool]

I'm at the gym all the time. If not, I'm running or doing something else that's physical. I'm very healthy, eating right, avoiding sugar and processed foods like the plague.

I don't see crazy gains.

[CleanestMeanestPenis Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close CleanestMeanestPenis]

The better shape you're in cardiovascular wise the easier you will gain in P.E and the better your EQ and PI's will be, the reason for this is that the penis is a complex system of veins, arterys, smooth muscle, fascia and collagen but the most important part of your penis is constant healthy blood flow, as the penises most working parts depend on blood also ther better shape your CVS is in the quicker your body can bring nutrients into its system to repair the tunica(collagen).