Lets get some facts straight about the Vac Extender..

[Jackxxx Banned Find all posts View Profile Close Jackxxx]

And the vacuum mod doesn't exert as much force? I don't remember learning that slowly extending leg braces to lengthen a leg won't work if we do it slowly without much pain. Instead it should be done quickly with massive tension to force the bone to grow quickly. Same principal. It doesn't require massive tension to grow something.

Another example would be a guage in an ear. If you slowly increase the guage size of the piercing you can eventually have a hole big enough to put someone's finger or hand thru without much pain. You have to go slow and do it over time but it can be done. You don't have to stretch the hole open till it hurts everyday to get a hole that big. It can be done slowly over time without pain. Same principal with the extender.

Not the same at all. And that is the complexity of PE. In the example of the leg, you are building new bone in between. In the example of the ear, you are displacing the tissues. In the case of PE, you are not building anything, nor displacing anything. You are just stretching tissue that if you stop stretching goes back to its normal state. That is specifically the tunica. That's why I have always stated that the only way to cause real penis growth, is genetically modify the genes to replicate cell tissue in the tunica. Thats why in the case of an extender, doing it fast or slow, low or high tension, the result is the same: stretch only.

[Steve23 Retired ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Steve23]

With extending it's not stretching. That's why extending doesn't need to be cemented, because it's permanent. You're breaking skin cells down and then they regenerate. That's why also you're girth gets larger or stays the same but doesn't shrink, because you're not stretching your penis like an elastic band.

[JohnnyCash Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close JohnnyCash]

With extending it's not stretching. That's why extending doesn't need to be cemented, because it's permanent. You're breaking skin cells down and then they regenerate. That's why also you're girth gets larger or stays the same but doesn't shrink, because you're not stretching your penis like an elastic band.

I'm not so sure about that.
I remember once reading that article in "GQ Magazine" about the SizeGenetics extender.
The guy who tested it said he lost all gains in a few weeks time.
I have no idea how legit is that article/magazine though.

[Steve23 Retired ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Steve23]

As legit as GQ magazine
There's people that extend for half a year or so then take off a month before they start their 6 month or so session, they don't lose anything.

Also there's lots of people that are uncut that use the mod vac and prefer it over the noose/comfort. Just need to work up the tension slowly and get used to the suction

[funflyer Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close funflyer]

I can say that I tried an extender last summer for 3 months. I gained. Then I stopped using it because I wanted to see if the bathmate worked. I tried the bathmate for 3 months and gained. Then I bought the X4 so I could go back to extending. Length before width was my thinking. Maybe both at the same time. So I started with the X4. Now in the 3 months that I had stopped using the extender my gains were still there except 1/8" had been lost. Of course I could have lost that in difference of EQ also. But at the measuring tape for whatever reason it was gone. Is it possible the bathmate kept my extending gains there? Yes absolutely that is possible. I am 150 days into extending with the X4. I haven't used the bathmate because when I tried it I started seeing negative PI. I have lost ALL of the gains I made with the bathmate.

So I would tend to believe that the gains made with the extender which are caused by cell division and new cell growth same as in a bone growing longer or the hole in the ear becoming larger are permanent. Yes they might shrink a little when you stop but it won't go back to the original state completely in a short span of time.

I would say your views of extending are not the same as mine. I would also point out that you have made a point that extending hasn't worked as well for you as it does for me. Why not try another philosophy and see what happens? I can tell you when I stretch under high tension I don't get as much time in the extender nor do I get good results at the time of measuring. That is why I choose to go lower tension and longer times. The results are happening faster that way for me than the other.

[rhinoguy Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close rhinoguy]

...Also there's lots of people that are uncut that use the mod vac and prefer it over the noose/comfort. Just need to work up the tension slowly and get used to the suction

Nah, I tried that and everything else and still got blisters from the VE. Sorry to pee on your post, but the VE did not work for me- period. Blanket claims are not appropriate here, and "your mileage will vary" absolutely applies.

[Steve23 Retired ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Steve23]

Nah, I tried that and everything else and still got blisters from the VE. Sorry to pee on your post, but the VE did not work for me- period. Blanket claims are not appropriate here, and "your mileage will vary" absolutely applies.

I'm just stating the dozens I read about that used it and they are uncut and it's comfortable for them, if it didn't work for you then it didn't work, I didn't say it will work for every uncut guy did I. There's many uncut that use nooses, and lot's that can't no matter what they do. Does not mean nooses are for this or that and VE is for this or that. Try and it and see. If you're trying to say VE isn't for uncut people then you are 100% wrong

[Jackxxx Banned Find all posts View Profile Close Jackxxx]

With extending it's not stretching. That's why extending doesn't need to be cemented, because it's permanent. You're breaking skin cells down and then they regenerate. That's why also you're girth gets larger or stays the same but doesn't shrink, because you're not stretching your penis like an elastic band.

It is not permanent. Is not as easy as it sounds. The best way to compare, is to hypertrophy in skeletal muscle. When you go to the gym and workout your biceps for example, you are doing the same. Stretching the muscle to the point the muscle fiber breaks. The body repairs it, it grows bigger and stronger. Next time you do the same, the whole process repeat, and that's how muscles grow. But is unnatural. If you stop working out, the body WILL burn that extra muscle.

In the case of connective tissue is the same. You would think that an Olympic gymnast has bigger tendons and joint tissue from so many years of constant exercise. Well, yes he does. However, once he retires and is 60 years old, will never be able to do a split. Why? because the body returned that tissue to its genetically designed state.

That's why the only real solution is, again, Genetic engineering. The same way we were created, is the same way to fix and modify ourselves. They left us here raw, unimproved, full of genetic defects, we can fix ourselves and even more, we can have bigger cocks than they have. That would be hyperplasia. Cell replication. That is permanent, forever. With hypertrophy, you are growing what you have. With hyperplasia, you are growing what you dont have, besides what you already have.

[Steve23 Retired ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Steve23]

Then the people that hit their goal and stopped for over a year and still has the same length as their goal is using magic I guess

[rhinoguy Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close rhinoguy]

Steve, I have been reading these forums and Thunders Place for quite a while and lots of guys here- and there- have had trouble with blisters using the VacExtender. It's notorious for that. So chill out with the "it must be you and how you used it" bit. It is a trouble prone device bar none, and while it works for some people somehow, it does not work safely and effectively for a LOT of them too. How many no one knows, but anecdotally a LOT. I never said I knew anything about why it is such a blister machine although I did put forth a theory on my progress thread maybe uncut men are less tough on the glans than cut and maybe that's the issue. I have no idea, just a theory, and the thing nearly destroyed my dick. I tried all the common-sense recommendations, it was a bitch to wear, and I never got any gains from it and I did get bookoos of blisters. If someone here uses the VE- there are a few- and also get good results from it, then tell the rest of us whose dicks it nearly destroys how to use the damn thing.

[Steve23 Retired ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Steve23]

Yeah, I read up that many got blisters when they started to use it at first, then most stopped getting them, maybe from learning how to vent properly, keep it under 1.5 hours before rests or from using it properly over time, or it could be their glans getting used to the suction but most loved it.

[rhinoguy Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close rhinoguy]

Well there may be some trick with the vent I never figured out. What are you looking for with the vent? I never found any real use for it. I thought it was for releasing the vacuum when you want to dismount.

[not2big Senior Super ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close not2big]

Well there may be some trick with the vent I never figured out. What are you looking for with the vent? I never found any real use for it. I thought it was for releasing the vacuum when you want to dismount.

I have been using the VE for about four months, I did get a few blisters in the beginning. However, I have not received a blister during the last two months or so. BTW, I am cut.

I am unable to pin point the reason for the improved condition of my glans but it ia probably due to one, all, or a combination of the following:

1) It should be noted that in the beginning I was wearing it up to 3 hours at a time for a total of 6 hours a day. Currently I am wearing it up to 1.5 hours per session for a total of 3 hours a day. However, I am also wearing it as an ADS for up to 10 hours a day with 28 oz of weights attached.

2) Whenever I wear it, I make sure that my glans is pressed tightly against the top of the cap. To insure the cap is properly seated on my glans, I always roll the sleeve down over the vent hole and press my penis tightly against the cap which allows any remaining air to escape before rolling the sleeve back over the vent hole.

3) As mentioned in 1) above, I try to limit individual sessions to 1.5 hours, though I have occasionally done 2 hours.

4) After four months of usage, my glans is becoming more conditioned.

5) I am experimenting with the DMSO/iodine treatment.

My personal opinion is that the proper seating of the glans against the cap is the primary factor leading to the elimination of the blisters.

[dcreynolds Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close dcreynolds]

Incorrect. An extender can and will cause collagen remodeling when used for extended periods of time and at traction levels above .5" larger than your fsl. However, when you couple this with pumping, you will increase the permanent gains substantially because now you have added to the breaking down of the kinks in the existing penile structure which leads not only to faster gains but permanence in them once achieved.

Not in all of PE. Some. You are in fact rebuilding collagen at higher traction forces which is what is leading to permanent growth. If done properly, once you stop extending you will retain most if not all the gains you made. The inner penis being pulled is what is first seen and what most newbies see as their quick gains. Once past this stage the new gains will be from the cell rebuilding to fill in the areas we are breaking down using the extender and other PE tools such as state of the art pumps (not hand) and other methods.

Not the same at all. And that is the complexity of PE. In the example of the leg, you are building new bone in between. In the example of the ear, you are displacing the tissues. In the case of PE, you are not building anything, nor displacing anything. You are just stretching tissue that if you stop stretching goes back to its normal state. That is specifically the tunica. That's why I have always stated that the only way to cause real penis growth, is genetically modify the genes to replicate cell tissue in the tunica. Thats why in the case of an extender, doing it fast or slow, low or high tension, the result is the same: stretch only.

[dcreynolds Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close dcreynolds]

Correct!

With extending it's not stretching. That's why extending doesn't need to be cemented, because it's permanent. You're breaking skin cells down and then they regenerate. That's why also you're girth gets larger or stays the same but doesn't shrink, because you're not stretching your penis like an elastic band.