Air Pump vs Water Pump: Experienced feedback please

[jonathonroberts Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close jonathonroberts]

I have been using the Bathmate and although it is descent it sometimes feels like it just wants to leak air (guess I need to trim hair shorter) and sometimes it may take several times to get it to start right. Anyway I have seen BigO say in a past post he would rather use an air pump. I am looking for some feedback on the pro's of using an air pump (would love to hear from you BigO on this) and the cons.

My main concern is over uneven expansion and basically what Bathmate claims about air vs water. I am guessing the size of tube you get or other things may make air more safe and uniform in expansion.

Anyway... I really would love some feedback on this as I am willing to look at something else other than Bathmate or Penoment and look at air. And then I guess the question is can the air ones be used with water... just differently.

Basically looking for best option for girth and secondary length out of a pump.

Thank you in advance!

[not2big Senior Super ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close not2big]

I have pumped with both air and water using a traditional air pump set-up Though I have used my Harbor Freight brake bleeder on occasion being careful not to pull water into the pump, I mostly used an inexpensive "sex shop" system with a ball pump when using water.

I stopped using water a while back because I got tired of limiting my pumping to the bathroom. I also started doing some 30 plus minute sessions and couldn't stay in the bathroom that long. No hard evidence, but I felt I was getting better expansion with air without the risk of a doughnut. I also felt my erections were a bit more spongy after pumping with water.

[averagedick Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close averagedick]

Yeah using an air pump in water is a new experience to me and ive never felt as good a pump from my bm dont think ill ever look back

[jonathonroberts Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close jonathonroberts]

Yeah using an air pump in water is a new experience to me and ive never felt as good a pump from my bm dont think ill ever look back

Are you saying the air pump (with water) was a better experience for you then the bathmate OR that air pump (no water) was a better experience?

[Ball bearing Member Find all posts View Profile Close Ball bearing]

I converted my air pump to use either air or water, I will do 20 min air then 20 min water and I do feel that even though water takes a bit more work I like it better.
I can add water and still sit on the lounge chair without any leakage.

[jonathonroberts Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close jonathonroberts]

I converted my air pump to use either air or water, I will do 20 min air then 20 min water and I do feel that even though water takes a bit more work I like it better.
I can add water and still sit on the lounge chair without any leakage.

Can you give details on your cylinder and pump you used and how you converted? Do you still have a gauge to know pressure?

[BigO AdministratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close BigO]

I have never used a Bathmate or any other water pump. I have however used a regular pump with water in the cylinder, I just used a different air line and my old crappy gauge which I recently placed in the great trash can in the sky. The only thing that I seen that was even half way cool about the water was that it made my dick look like a massive sausage stuffed in a tube with water inside of it. I did not enjoy the pump that much even though I have tried it several times.

I think air pumps are far superior and I am sure enough about this that if Bathmate or Penomet would offer me one for free I would most likely give it a way in a gym thread for the funniest joke of the day.

I don't want to be limited to having to use water, if I wanna go and find some lonely place in the woods I could go and pump, not that I would but I could. I have also seen far more complaints about the water pumps and I mean both of the big brands in the last 6 months than I have ever seen on air pumps sinc I have been involved with PE.

For me it is a hands down easy answer. A water pump may be enjoyed by some of you but most who own both say the air pump is better. I researched before I bought and I never considered a water pump after some of the things I read about them. Broken parts, some issues with customer service, who is the real maker of certain pumps, cant even get a legit rep from the real companies, at least not one that sticks around and does not bash the competitors.

I see no value, no class and no way for me to buy one. The other issue I have with them is the limit in sizing. Can you tell me that a huge ass cylinder is good for such a wide range of men, they say it is some kind of advantage to use water but I dont care if it is air, water or fricking coking oil, a pump that does not fit properly is just as good as sticking your dick in a vacuum, if it is even that good. Buy air first and the novelty toy second and remember I told ya so.

[Ball bearing Member Find all posts View Profile Close Ball bearing]

Can you give details on your cylinder and pump you used and how you converted? Do you still have a gauge to know pressure?

Moderators am I allowed to post a photo.

First I got one of these cylinders off ebay

Leluv Penis Pump Replacement Cylinder

Then removed the one way valve and fitted a 1/8" NPT hose fitting like this.

MAC PWM Boost BY Gear Solenoid 3 16" X 1 8 NPT Hose Barb Nipple Fitting | eBay

Then I drilled and taped another 1/8" NPT hole beside the original but closer to the edge of the cylinder and fitted another hose fitting.

Got a standard vac pump like this one.

2 IN 1 Hand Held Vacuum Tester Pump Brake Bleeder Test Tuner KIT | eBay

I then connect the vac pump to the second hose fitting and block off the first one.

Now I can pump with just air.

To introduce water I remove the cap off the center hose fitting and fit a 2 foot piece of hose and run some warm water in the sink and drop the hose into the water and then suck up enough water to fill the cylinder about 3/4 full this is to allow expansion of me willy so the cylinder doesn't over fill and then the pump will suck up water. I then remove the hose and put the cap back on then I can sit in the lounge chair and watch TV.

If I am allowed to post a photo it would be easier to understand.

[jonathonroberts Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close jonathonroberts]

Ball Bearing, I believe I understand exactly what you have done... of course picture would be neat to see.

Now you say you like it better with water in the cylinder vs air. What are your reasons? I take it your cylinder was sized properly as well for your current size?

[jonathonroberts Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close jonathonroberts]

Hey BigO,

Thanks for replying. Let me ask a few more questions.

On the few sites I have seen for cylinders it indicates you need to properly size. So for me I look like I would be at the small end using the 1.5" cylinder as my girth is only 4.5"... desperately want to increase this...well and length. I used this sizing chart: How to measure your Penis Enlargement Cylinder Size | LA Pump

So why is the size of cylinder important? I know having too small is bad as you may not be able to fit in or expand fully, but what if you went with one that was a little larger? Is the goal of the sizing to have your member expand up against the walls of the cylinder or close to it and when you start getting gains you move up to a larger cylinder? Just curious why it matters as one might think just increase an inch larger to give you more growth room over time.

Anyway, I was looking at this package: LA Pump Deluxe Penis Enlargement Package <br>(PSI Pump, DVD & Cylinder) | LA Pump which has the standard cylinder. They also have another cylinder that is more elliptical in size: Elliptical Penis Cylinder <br>"Wide Body" | LA Pump . I don't know if the elliptical cylinder actually has any benefit.

BigO or anyone else do you have a recommended product? I see many sites selling these things so didn't know if one was better than another. You see some that seem to have an edge designed to where you don't need a rubber gasket. You see some claim thick wall. Would like some feedback on which cylinder from those with experience.

Thanks

[not2big Senior Super ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close not2big]

LAPump makes a good cylinder; however, the pump is overpriced. You can get the exact same pump from Harbor Freight (including a reservoir you can use for water pumping) for about $23. I got mine for $17 with a coupon fram an auto magazine. The pump mentioned above will also work well with an LAP cylinder. Buy them separately and save at least $30.

Search for LeLove cylinders. They are priced more reasonable and I have read reports that they are fairly good quality.

My girth was only slightly less than yours when I started and I had good results from a 1.5 inch cylinder. After a year or so, I moved up to the LAP 1.5 inch eliptical cylinder, which I found was a better size than moving a whole size up to 1.75 inch round.
Starting with or moving up to a too large cylinder will put you at risk for generating excess edema, suck in your testicles, and makes it more difficult to fine tune the vacuum level. The best practice is to start with a cylinder that you can pack for an inch or so at the base. As you progress, you will start to pack further up the cylinder until you can pack at least 3/4 up the shaft at which time it is time to get a larger cylinder.

If you want the most comfortable feeling cylinder, look into getting a BRK Collar from Pump Toys. A thick silicon cushion that fits around the base to improve comfort, seal, and prevents testicle suck-in - $15. I personally would not use a cylinder without one.

[jonathonroberts Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close jonathonroberts]

not2big (and others),

One of the "selling" points of hydro / water option is the talk about uneven expansion and edema. Have those of you who have used pumps (without water) experienced these issues? How "valid" is that "selling" point? Or is it really all about proper sizing and safe pressures?

Thanks

[Ball bearing Member Find all posts View Profile Close Ball bearing]

Ball Bearing, I believe I understand exactly what you have done... of course picture would be neat to see.

Now you say you like it better with water in the cylinder vs air. What are your reasons? I take it your cylinder was sized properly as well for your current size?

First it is the warm water as it is filling the cylinder, also I don't know why but my willy gets about 3/8" longer with water than air, might be an optical illusion.
I did get a cylinder that was to big and I had trouble getting a good seal and the smaller diameter gets a better seal and less scrotum suck which hurts.

[averagedick Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close averagedick]

Are you saying the air pump (with water) was a better experience for you then the bathmate OR that air pump (no water) was a better experience?

Better than bathmate full stop

[basil rambone Member Find all posts View Profile Close basil rambone]

I think that the real issue is the heat that the water provides. Other than that it can only be used for relatively short periods. To get the most of the the pump it has to be worn for long periods. That can only be done with an air pump. I've been pumping for over twelve years and my wife says I am twice as big as before. So it must be working!
I have a store bought one but got the best result from ones that I made from vacuum pipe designed for "built in" home vac systems. You can heat it up and form it however you want. I built mine about an inch longer than my erect length with a slight curve so I can wear it under my pants or shorts around the house. Very stealthy! I use a female fitting screwed into the end cap and attach a length of tubing with the male fitting on one end. You can use the vacuum pump or merely suck on the end with your mouth (crude but effective). Detach the tube and tuck the unit in your pants and go about your business.
My wife is happy and so am I!
I'm surprise no one has built this kind of thing for sale. It's comfortable, can be worn for long periods and easy to conceal.