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  • #31
    Originally posted by DataWonk View Post
    Hi All - I am a social science professor with a background in statistics. So naturally I was excited to find that there's a lot of data on phallosan users' results. I analyzed that data statistically (using multiple regression analysis, for those with some statistical training) and found some results that I think may be very useful to the PE community.

    THE DATA

    I pooled data from two sources:
    a) the phallosan user gains tables at http://www.phallosan-forte-review.com/;
    b) the phallosan user gains table on pegym.com:
    https://www.pegym.com/forums/penis-d...ins-table.html

    These tables contain much of the same data so I eliminated duplicates. I also restricted to phallosan users who reported the following data: total gains, days of use, and hours per day. If a user did not report the use of any other PE methods, I assumed he did used the phallosan only.

    KEY RESULTS

    All of the following findings refer to gains in erect length. I restricted my study to that outcome, since it is the one that is most consistently reported by phallosan users.

    I found that there are diminishing returns in phallosan usage. In particular, gains per day grow as a function of hours per day until hours per day reach 11.25; after this they decline. Apparently your body needs sufficient "down time" to recover and rebuild. One can see this in above data tables: there are a few people who used the phallosan for 20 hours per day, and their gains were zero or close to it.

    Thus, if your goal is simply to gain as fast as possible and you face no constraints on your phallosan usage, you should wear the phallosan for 11.25 hours per day. Then you will gain on average .003812 inches in erect length per day. Thus, it will take you about 262 days (the reciprocal of .003812) to gain one inch.

    That being said, the last hour or two in the day are not critical. E.g., if you use the phallosan for 10 hours per day, it will take 272 days to gain one inch. Not much of a difference! If you keep decreasing your hours, it does start to get meaningful. For instance, if you put in 9 hours per day it will take 295 days to gain an inch; with 8 hours per day it will take 341 days. So given the inconvenience and discomfort of the device, 10 hours is probably a reasonable target.

    I also looked at the use of other devices together with the phallosan. Not surprisingly given all the hype and "best product" awards, pumps (Bathmate, Penomet, etc.) turn out to be extremely helpful. Adding a pump to your routine increases your daily length gain by a whopping .005447 inches! Thus, if you use the phallosan for 11.25 hours per day plus a pump (assume for the recommended time), you will gain .009259 inches per day. This means you will gain 1 inch in only 108 days - amazing.

    I also considered jelqing and "other methods" (clamping, manual stretching, etc.). Surprisingly, among phallosan users these techniques do not add anything. That is, the results of those who used such techniques were statistically indistinguishable from those who used phallosan alone, or phallosan and a pump. Incidentally, some researchers in Australia have found that jelqing can cause erectile disfunction due to veno-occlusive dysfunction: see http://repository.um.edu.my/37810/1/...14%20USANZ.pdf. Hence, given that jelqing doesn't help phallosan users, it seems sensible to avoid it.

    A few caveats are in order, as follows.

    1. I only studied effects on erect length.

    2. The above numbers are estimates. Your actual results may vary, depending on genetics, prior experience with PE, etc.

    3. As mentioned, I only studied phallosan users. For instance, if you use phallosan, then adding a pump increases your gains by .005447 inches per day as stated above. If you only pump, your gains may be more or less than this figure. For instance, there may be positive synergies between pumping and the phallosan, so that pumping alone would not help as much.

    3. Similarly, my finding that jelqing and other methods don't help is restricted to phallosan users. They could conceivably be helpful if you don't use the phallosan, particularly as some - such as manual stretching - work in the same way as the phallosan.

    So I can't help but note that the study did not show a causitive connection between jelqing and occlusion. It did not check if the patients had ED prior to jelqing nor any other connections.
    ALL THE WAY WITH GOOD OLE JAY!

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    • #32
      Now, I'm no orthodontist and the little I know of mechanical engineering is helpful when using a wrench, but not for much else. However, I think bringing up the example of a dentist in this debate was what some might call shooting oneself in the foot. From my understanding, the range of force necessary for the bodily movement of a tooth is rather significant but at the top of the range, that amount of force is not great. I think, in essence, less than 50% of the force at the top of the range may accomplish bodily movement (somewhere between 100 to 220 grams I believe).

      But more than that, no one is getting their teeth rearranged (at least in an aesthetic way) with the application of immense force for a short period of time. Rather, it's from the prolonged application of steady, less intense force, that actually accomplishes the desired result. Hmm, much like an extender, such as the subject of this analysis.

      I've been hanging for quite some time now, and I feel comfortable with the results. But I see no need to bash the analysis of other devices or methods. In fact, such information is helpful to me in case I want to try a new method some day.
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      • #33
        Not to mention bringing conjecture into an argument where you are claiming the opposition to be guilty of conjecture. Odd, I thought we weren't recommended to wear hanging devices with 10 lbs for 11.25 hours at a time. Interesting, critical thinking.
        ALL THE WAY WITH GOOD OLE JAY!

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        • #34
          My brain aches!!!
          The name's Tamora...TVR Tamora...with a capital "T".

          Lots of living to do yet unseen and a more stories yet untold!

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          • #35
            Originally posted by ta53ora View Post
            My brain aches!!!
            With you there.
            A Game of Bones. A Stretch With Rice And Fire.

            Start1/04/15:BPEL:7.1 MEG:5.2 -1/07/15:BPEL:7.2 MEG:5.4

            Edging For Premature Ejaculation./
            Pelvic Floor Balance./
            Minute Man'snKegel Master List./ Reverse Kegels./
            JP90 Routine./ Conditioning Your Wang.

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            • #36
              Why does everyone come to life when I have to go to bed???
              The name's Tamora...TVR Tamora...with a capital "T".

              Lots of living to do yet unseen and a more stories yet untold!

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              • #37
                I was driving. Not my fault you live on the wrong side of the pond.
                ALL THE WAY WITH GOOD OLE JAY!

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                • #38
                  Hitting the sack myself.
                  A Game of Bones. A Stretch With Rice And Fire.

                  Start1/04/15:BPEL:7.1 MEG:5.2 -1/07/15:BPEL:7.2 MEG:5.4

                  Edging For Premature Ejaculation./
                  Pelvic Floor Balance./
                  Minute Man'snKegel Master List./ Reverse Kegels./
                  JP90 Routine./ Conditioning Your Wang.

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                  • #39
                    Hitting your sack? lol...

                    Originally posted by longerlastingnoob View Post
                    Hitting the sack myself.
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                    • #40
                      In order to get accurate data that can be analysed, a test must be conducted. Dr. Ric has been looking for grant money from a variety colleges and medical institutions that would be interested in conducting tests on Penis Enlargement. I just viewed a entire thread that had some very heated debate among members and a naysayer.
                      This particular guy insists that penis enlargement is a hoax, that it is impossible to do. I didn't even bother to enter into the conversation. Those of us who have made significant gains know he is wrong.

                      If by chance we happen to get some grant money to pursue this study, what we would do is find a sample of men from different ages and ethnicities that have absolutely no previous PE experience. Then segregate them into three or four categories. Measurements would be taken, and a variety of devices would be used by each for a given period of time. First of all determine if penis enlargement is possible, and secondly what is the most effective way to do it.

                      Until this sort of study is done there will be debate. I'm sure everyone has seen the television commercials with smiling Bob promoting Enzyte. How many of you actually believe the implied message that this particular pill if taken will produce the results that they claim? How many millions of dollars have been spent by men who are gullible enough to believe the hype? Well it's in the MILLIONS! Which takes me back to my original point.... That nobody can say with any degree of certainty how much a person can gain using device XYZ.

                      You will not find one single post anywhere on this forum that I have made that suggests how much a person can gain by using the device I use. When asked I can only tell you what I have personally gained, how I did it and how long it has taken. So when I see intelligent, educated men making hypothetical extrapolations based on zero data, I get annoyed! Anyone out there made multi inch gains using Enzyte? I guess if you're a professor in "size-mology" you can dazzle them with brilliance or baffle them with bullshit.
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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Marlon LGHanger View Post
                        In order to get accurate data that can be analysed, a test must be conducted. Dr. Ric has been looking for grant money from a variety colleges and medical institutions that would be interested in conducting tests on Penis Enlargement. I just viewed a entire thread that had some very heated debate among members and a naysayer.
                        This particular guy insists that penis enlargement is a hoax, that it is impossible to do. I didn't even bother to enter into the conversation. Those of us who have made significant gains know he is wrong.

                        If by chance we happen to get some grant money to pursue this study, what we would do is find a sample of men from different ages and ethnicities that have absolutely no previous PE experience. Then segregate them into three or four categories. Measurements would be taken, and a variety of devices would be used by each for a given period of time. First of all determine if penis enlargement is possible, and secondly what is the most effective way to do it.

                        Until this sort of study is done there will be debate. I'm sure everyone has seen the television commercials with smiling Bob promoting Enzyte. How many of you actually believe the implied message that this particular pill if taken will produce the results that they claim? How many millions of dollars have been spent by men who are gullible enough to believe the hype? Well it's in the MILLIONS! Which takes me back to my original point.... That nobody can say with any degree of certainty how much a person can gain using device XYZ.

                        You will not find one single post anywhere on this forum that I have made that suggests how much a person can gain by using the device I use. When asked I can only tell you what I have personally gained, how I did it and how long it has taken. So when I see intelligent, educated men making hypothetical extrapolations based on zero data, I get annoyed! Anyone out there made multi inch gains using Enzyte? I guess if you're a professor in "size-mology" you can dazzle them with brilliance or baffle them with bullshit.

                        You don't need grant money. All you need to do is start a kickstarter/Go Fund Me campaign. Inform the moderators at PEGYM, Matters of Size, and ************* to all recommend that everyone donate to the campaign. You can contact all the penis device companies. Extenders, hangers, pumps, inner wears, foreskin restoration etc.

                        This type of kickstarter campaign would likely get picked up by national news, websites, blogs, etc. Sex is an important topic and there are countless articles written on it everyday. You could also contact the likes of Dr. Drew, Dr. Ruth and the other top sexologists in the country. Celebrities like Jenny McCarthy, Howard Stern, all have radio shows on Sirius XM. The shows can easily be called. There are tons of celebrities now that have podcasts like Joe Rogan, Adam Corolla, Jay Mohr, etc. These could easily be contacted.

                        You would be surprised how powerful kickstarter is. You could have incentives where if they donate a certain amount of money they get a free penis device, etc.

                        I have seen many kickstarter campaigns where the donations have been in the millions. You would probably only need 50,000 dollars in order to create a research study. Participants would need to take before and after pictures and videos.

                        This could very easily be done if someone had the initiative.........just saying

                        DO IT !!

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                        • #42
                          Yup, already done: Clinical studies - PHALLOSAN® forte

                          I also think they have another one in the pipeline Julian was saying, one based in the States.

                          Originally posted by Marlon LGHanger View Post
                          In order to get accurate data that can be analysed, a test must be conducted. Dr. Ric has been looking for grant money from a variety colleges and medical institutions that would be interested in conducting tests on Penis Enlargement. I just viewed a entire thread that had some very heated debate among members and a naysayer.
                          You will not find one single post anywhere on this forum that I have made that suggests how much a person can gain by using the device I use. When asked I can only tell you what I have personally gained, how I did it and how long it has taken. So when I see intelligent, educated men making hypothetical extrapolations based on zero data, I get annoyed! Anyone out there made multi inch gains using Enzyte? I guess if you're a professor in "size-mology" you can dazzle them with brilliance or baffle them with bullshit.
                          Maybe you should have a word with your partner then

                          Originally posted by Dr Ric View Post
                          Generally a person can add approximately 50 percent in length and approximately the same in girth from pre-PE size, provided you approach this in a conscientious, safe. consistent, and knowledgeable way. I give you this percentage because I am always asked the question how much can one expect to grow. Please realize that this is a very approximate percentage, because there is great variability from individual to individual ranging from genetics, enthusiasm, studiousness, patients, consistency and time spent on the process.

                          In addition the LG hanger has been used no less than 300 times in MD initiated penile surgery, one can go to lghangerllc.com and read the resume of the physician. Such extensive use In a medical setting, it goes without saying, is unprecedented and highly significant.



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                          • #43
                            I really don't see what the problem is with the data supplied from members from this site being used to compile data analysis. Even if some on the list did bullshit about their gains (which I doubt because the only people they would be fooling would be themselves considering we're all pretty much anonymous) there were definite trends highlighted by the data. For example, manual exercise was not a significant factor but pumping combined with the PF was. I would have thought that if the data was tainted this would have been reflected in the results of the analysis.

                            There are far too many respected members on this site that use the PF and have seen gains to doubt it's effectiveness. Personally, I really don't care if the results of the analysis show 0.000010" or 0.100000" growth per day...the important conclusion of the analysis from my point of view is that it works given that one puts the optimum amounts of hours in per day.

                            You pay your money and take your choices...what's the problem!
                            The name's Tamora...TVR Tamora...with a capital "T".

                            Lots of living to do yet unseen and a more stories yet untold!

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by jackjohnson View Post
                              You don't need grant money. All you need to do is start a kickstarter/Go Fund Me campaign. Inform the moderators at PEGYM, Matters of Size, and ************* to all recommend that everyone donate to the campaign. You can contact all the penis device companies. Extenders, hangers, pumps, inner wears, foreskin restoration etc.

                              This type of kickstarter campaign would likely get picked up by national news, websites, blogs, etc. Sex is an important topic and there are countless articles written on it everyday. You could also contact the likes of Dr. Drew, Dr. Ruth and the other top sexologists in the country. Celebrities like Jenny McCarthy, Howard Stern, all have radio shows on Sirius XM. The shows can easily be called. There are tons of celebrities now that have podcasts like Joe Rogan, Adam Corolla, Jay Mohr, etc. These could easily be contacted.

                              You would be surprised how powerful kickstarter is. You could have incentives where if they donate a certain amount of money they get a free penis device, etc.

                              I have seen many kickstarter campaigns where the donations have been in the millions. You would probably only need 50,000 dollars in order to create a research study. Participants would need to take before and after pictures and videos.

                              This could very easily be done if someone had the initiative.........just saying

                              DO IT !!
                              Great idea! I nominate you to head up this research project... LoL
                              I will forward this onto Dr. Ric. He is basically retired and has a lot more time to pursue these sort of things. I'm too busy running two businesses, I hardly have time to wipe my own butt... working 10-14 hours per day, 6 days a week.
                              -Foldus,
                              L.G. Hanger,-
                              Owner/Licensed Master Machinist
                              www.lghangerllc.com
                              PEGym members get $10 off! Coupon Code PEGYM

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                              • #45
                                I will cut back to those hours for a grant also. That would be awesome.
                                ALL THE WAY WITH GOOD OLE JAY!

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