2000 Hours With Phallosan and Bathmate X30

[traderace Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close traderace]

I don't think traderace is interested in debating what he already knows as fact.

Thank you Tamora! That's exactly right.

[PF_new Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close PF_new]

I don't think traderace is interested in debating what he already knows as fact.

You got me wrong. I'm not talking about debating whether the PF works or not. It's clear it worked for him. Debating that would be meaningless and stupid.

What I'm talking about is that there are people here including me, tbone350 and MANY others who worked hard like traderace, put in the hours, made a lot of efforts as much as he did and, unfortunately, didn't get the results he got. Spending months or even a year wearing a device for hours and hours every day affecting your daily life for NOTHING it's really bad.

So, if the PF actually works and for everybody given enough hours, as it seems with traderace that's the case, it means he was doing something right and me and many others something wrong, so I wanted to get to the bottom of that, that's was my intention for the debate.

[traderace Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close traderace]

You got me wrong. I'm not talking about debating whether the PF works or not. It's clear it worked for him. Debating that would be meaningless and stupid.

What I'm talking about is that there are people here including me, tbone350 and MANY others who worked hard like traderace, put in the hours, made a lot of efforts as much as he did and, unfortunately, didn't get the results he got. Spending months or even a year wearing a device for hours and hours every day affecting your daily life for NOTHING it's really bad.

So, if the PF actually works and for everybody given enough hours, as it seems with traderace that's the case, it means he was doing something right and me and many others something wrong, so I wanted to get to the bottom of that, that's was my intention for the debate.

ok, fair enough. i don't know why it worked for me and not for some others. Most of the results from people I saw were people that had varying levels of success, but I have never seen anyone go the 2000 hours and not gain. Again, i don't even think that is possible. Check out @kickinthemebs log. this guys put an unbelievable amount of time in research on PE. I just used his guidance and it worked for me. This guy is like a philosopher of PE Check his out. I am sure you will find what you are looking for.

[PF_new Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close PF_new]

ok, fair enough. i don't know why it worked for me and not for some others. Most of the results from people I saw were people that had varying levels of success, but I have never seen anyone go the 2000 hours and not gain. Again, i don't even think that is possible. Check out @kickinthemebs log. this guys put an unbelievable amount of time in research on PE. I just used his guidance and it worked for me. This guy is like a philosopher of PE Check his out. I am sure you will find what you are looking for.

https://www.pegym.com/forums/progres...kinthelog.html

"Averaging around 70 hours a week since I started. I stopped using the phallosan because the time spent was not worth the lack of gains from it. I put in 3056 hours in total over the space of 10 months."


Listen, traderace, consider yourself lucky with the Phallosan. He was doing so many more things than just the phallosan, as he says in the above link. I'm happy for you that you gained and still gaining. For my part, after one year without gains and probably as much effort as you, passing through the surgery, etc., it feels quite bad and discouraging. However, the way I am, the hardest it gets, the most impossible it seems, the more energy I have and the more I'm going to fight.

Two years ago I was homeless living in a car, using Mcdonals for the wifi and toilet. Soon, I'll start in one of the best business schools in the world with a full scholarship for fees and living allowance, many mouths closed and words swollen on the way. Still, after going through all this I admit PE is hard, and I understand why many people give up after having so much hope. I almost lost the hope myself and I have failed in this for one year. What I'm going to do is apply all I have learned to push it to the limit, never mind the money for devices. Then, when I reach my goal 8.5x7, when I achieve the impossible, I'll write a post here in PE Gym saying how I failed so bad and how finally I found the way, so that nobody will lose the hope. Don't say ignore the losers and focus on the positive people, PE is really fucking hard, it's totally understandable to question whether it is worthy when there are no gains at all. I'm not going to come back saying I tried all and it didn't work, for sure no. Whatever it takes, however long, I'll write that post one day. Until then, there will be no rest.

[traderace Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close traderace]

https://www.pegym.com/forums/progres...kinthelog.html

"Averaging around 70 hours a week since I started. I stopped using the phallosan because the time spent was not worth the lack of gains from it. I put in 3056 hours in total over the space of 10 months."


Listen, traderace, consider yourself lucky with the Phallosan. He was doing so many more things than just the phallosan, as he says in the above link. I'm happy for you that you gained and still gaining. For my part, after one year without gains and probably as much effort as you, passing through the surgery, etc., it feels quite bad and discouraging. However, the way I am, the hardest it gets, the most impossible it seems, the more energy I have and the more I'm going to fight.

Two years ago I was homeless living in a car, using Mcdonals for the wifi and toilet. Soon, I'll start in one of the best business schools in the world with a full scholarship for fees and living allowance, many mouths closed and words swollen on the way. Still, after going through all this I admit PE is hard, and I understand why many people give up after having so much hope. I almost lost the hope myself and I have failed in this for one year. What I'm going to do is apply all I have learned to push it to the limit, never mind the money for devices. Then, when I reach my goal 8.5x7, when I achieve the impossible, I'll write a post here in PE Gym saying how I failed so bad and how finally I found the way, so that nobody will lose the hope. Don't say ignore the losers and focus on the positive people, PE is really fucking hard, it's totally understandable to question whether it is worthy when there are no gains at all. I'm not going to come back saying I tried all and it didn't work, for sure no. Whatever it takes, however long, I'll write that post one day. Until then, there will be no rest.

I hope your future has that in store for you @PF_new. Indeed, PE is very hard. People quit things that are hard, so for every succesful person there are 10 losers. That is exactly the reason you should ignore the losers and find the winners.

[traderace Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close traderace]

https://www.pegym.com/forums/progres...kinthelog.html

"Averaging around 70 hours a week since I started. I stopped using the phallosan because the time spent was not worth the lack of gains from it. I put in 3056 hours in total over the space of 10 months."


Listen, traderace, consider yourself lucky with the Phallosan. He was doing so many more things than just the phallosan, as he says in the above link. I'm happy for you that you gained and still gaining. For my part, after one year without gains and probably as much effort as you, passing through the surgery, etc., it feels quite bad and discouraging. However, the way I am, the hardest it gets, the most impossible it seems, the more energy I have and the more I'm going to fight.

Two years ago I was homeless living in a car, using Mcdonals for the wifi and toilet. Soon, I'll start in one of the best business schools in the world with a full scholarship for fees and living allowance, many mouths closed and words swollen on the way. Still, after going through all this I admit PE is hard, and I understand why many people give up after having so much hope. I almost lost the hope myself and I have failed in this for one year. What I'm going to do is apply all I have learned to push it to the limit, never mind the money for devices. Then, when I reach my goal 8.5x7, when I achieve the impossible, I'll write a post here in PE Gym saying how I failed so bad and how finally I found the way, so that nobody will lose the hope. Don't say ignore the losers and focus on the positive people, PE is really fucking hard, it's totally understandable to question whether it is worthy when there are no gains at all. I'm not going to come back saying I tried all and it didn't work, for sure no. Whatever it takes, however long, I'll write that post one day. Until then, there will be no rest.

Do you realize you quoted the one part of his log that is negative? This is from a guy that just gained 1.25 inches from the PF and said his returns had diminished, which is expected. He just completed over 3056 in 10 months!!! That is dedication! You do 3056 hours and then tell me where you are at.

[getinbig Senior Member Member of the Month March 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close getinbig]

Hey traderace! I'm so glad I stumbled on your link to your Phallosan and BM thread. Your log is great. Reps to you for that!

I'm finishing six weeks with my PF and my fourth day (!) with my Bathmate X30.

How did you set up your log...would you mind if I try to copy your outline and begin using it as you did?

I'm just about 400 hours into my Phallosan work and really enjoying it. My wife already says she sees a difference and I have to agree.

A question for you. I'm only 4 days into my Bathmate X30 and I think I'm packing the cylinder with my girth...so much that I seem to be getting stuck on the sides...You had the same problem with your rapid gains. Since I just got my X30, do you think I could return it for an X40??? That's obviously what I need. I'd love not having to eat the cost of my X30, but it's not so bad if it comes to that. I ordered based on their website recommendation, but my girth is the issue. I'm probably 5.5-5.7 mid shaft. Let me know your thoughts and thank you for such a great log.

[ct461 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ct461]

Guys - apologies if this has been asked before, but when you say wear the PF for 11 hours, is that 11 consecutive or combined? I'm assuming it's consecutive to induce fatigue but would love someone to confirm. Thanks

[Alan1973 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Alan1973]

I have been stalking this site for years now.....I finally got an account.
I bought the bath mate ages ago and saw it work....but it seemed short lived. After 6 month of seeing only results in the bath mate and not in the bed I gave up.
I bought the PF and a new BM30 and after 3 weeks, not only do I notice a difference, but my wife has too.
I don't understand all these ways guys measure on this site, but if the mirror and the wife gives positive feedback, I am more likely to stick with the program.
My goal is to fill up my wife...nothing else. After popping out 3 kids she needs a bit more than before.

[Alan1973 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Alan1973]

Lastly....I have a family....I cannot afford anything that will take my time from them. The PF makes that possible to be normal and do PE at the same time. The BM30 is just part of my shower routine. All done on the DL. Only my wife knows.

[Azmike Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Azmike]

We will miss you Traderace. Your experience was very helpful and an inspiration.

[OverFlow Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close OverFlow]

Replying here just to easier find back to this thread

[tiritera Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close tiritera]

Stats	BPEL	EG	BPSFL
8/12/2015 (Start)	6.25	5.75	6.75
9/12/2015 (232 Hours)	6.75	5.875	7.00
10/12/2015 (625 Hours)	7.125	6	7.125
11/14/2015 (1003.5 Hours)	7.375	6	7.375
12/14/2015 (1333.5 Hours)	7.375	6	7.5
1/14/2016 (1644.5 Hours)	7.5	6.1	7.625
2/14/2016 (1883 Hours)	7.5	6.1	7.625
Short Term Goal:
BPEL	7.5	achieved 01/14/2016
EG	6	acheived 10/12/2015
Long Term Goal:
BPEL	8.5
EG	6.5
Measurment Interval
On the 12th of every Calendar Month
**Bathmate Sessions Very by Minutes Used**
***Started with X30 and switched to X40 to accommadate girth gains***
					Bathmate
Phallosan					Date Used	Minutes
Date Used	Hr/Day	Total Time	Tension Level		8/12/2015	0
8/12/2015	10	10	Mod Green		8/13/2015	0
8/13/2015	9	19	Mod Green		8/14/2015	0
8/14/2015	9	28	Mod Green		8/15/2015	0
8/15/2015	0	28	Mod Green		8/16/2015	0
8/16/2015	0	28	Mod Green		8/17/2015	0
8/17/2015	12.5	40.5	Mod Green		8/18/2015	5
8/18/2015	12	52.5	Mod Green		8/19/2015	0
8/19/2015	10	62.5	Mod Green		8/20/2015	8
8/20/2015	11	73.5	Mod Green		8/21/2015	0
8/21/2015	8	81.5	Mod Green		8/22/2015	0
8/22/2015	0	81.5	Mod Green		8/23/2015	0
8/23/2015	0	81.5	Mod Green		8/24/2015	8
8/24/2015	12	93.5	Mod Green		8/25/2015	10
8/25/2015	10.5	104	Mod Green		8/26/2015	10
8/26/2015	11.5	115.5	Mod Green		8/27/2015	10
8/27/2015	9.5	125	Mod Green		8/28/2015	10
8/28/2015	10.5	135.5	Mod Green		8/29/2015	0
8/29/2015	0	135.5	Mod Green		8/30/2015	0
8/30/2015	0	135.5	Mod Green		8/31/2015	10
8/31/2015	10	145.5	Mod Green		9/1/2015	10
9/1/2015	12	157.5	Mod Green		9/2/2015	10
9/2/2015	12	169.5	Mod Green		9/3/2015	0
9/3/2015	11.5	181	Mod Green		9/4/2015	10
9/4/2015	10	191	Mod Green		9/5/2015	0
9/5/2015	0	191	Mod Green		9/6/2015	0
9/6/2015	0	191	Mod Green		9/7/2015	10
9/7/2015	11	202	Mod Green		9/8/2015	0
9/8/2015	12	214	Mod Green		9/9/2015	0
9/9/2015	10	224	Mod Green		9/10/2015	0
9/10/2015	0	224	Mod Green		9/11/2015	0
9/11/2015	0	224	Mod Green		9/12/2015	0
9/12/2015	8	232	High Green		9/13/2015	8
9/13/2015	10	242	High Green		9/14/2015	0
9/14/2015	12	254	High Green		9/15/2015	10
9/15/2015	11	265	High Green		9/16/2015	10
9/16/2015	13.5	278.5	High Green		9/17/2015	12
9/17/2015	15.5	294	High Green		9/18/2015	12
9/18/2015	12	306	High Green		9/19/2015	0
9/19/2015	10	316	High Green		9/20/2015	10
9/20/2015	12	328	High Green		9/21/2015	0
9/21/2015	11.5	339.5	High Green		9/22/2015	10
9/22/2015	13.5	353	High Green		9/23/2015	15
9/23/2015	13.5	366.5	High Green		9/24/2015	0
9/24/2015	13	379.5	High Green		9/24/2015	15
9/25/2015	13.5	393	High Green		9/26/2015	10
9/26/2015	14	407	High Green		9/27/2015	10
9/27/2015	11	418	High Green		9/28/2015	12
9/28/2015	10	428	High Green		9/29/2015	5
9/29/2015	11	439	High Green		9/30/2015	12
9/30/2015	13	452	High Green		9/30/2015	12
9/30/2015	11	463	High Green		10/1/2015	10
10/1/2015	17	480	High Green		10/2/2015	10
10/2/2015	11	491	High Green		10/3/2015	5
10/3/2015	15	506	High Green		10/4/2015	10
10/4/2015	17	523	High Green		10/5/2015	10
10/5/2015	17	540	High Green		10/6/2015	10
10/6/2015	15.5	555.5	High Green		10/7/2015	8
10/7/2015	13.5	569	High Green		10/8/2015	10
10/8/2015	14	583	High Green		10/9/2015	10
10/9/2015	17	600	High Green		10/10/2015	10
10/10/2015	4	604	High Green		10/11/2015	10
10/11/2015	9	613	High Green		10/12/2015	10
10/12/2015	12	625	High Green		10/13/2015	10
10/13/2015	12	637	Low Yellow		10/14/2015	12
10/14/2015	14.5	651.5	Low Yellow		10/15/2015	12
10/15/2015	13	664.5	Low Yellow		10/16/2015	10
10/16/2015	13	677.5	Low Yellow		10/17/2015	10
10/17/2015	13.5	691	Low Yellow		10/18/2015	8
10/18/2015	9	700	Low Yellow		10/19/2015	10
10/19/2015	13	713	Low Yellow		10/20/2015	10
10/20/2015	11.5	724.5	Low Yellow		10/21/2015	10
10/21/2015	12	736.5	Low Yellow		10/22/2015	15
10/22/2015	12	748.5	Low Yellow		10/23/2015	15
10/23/2015	12	760.5	Low Yellow		10/24/2015	10
10/24/2015	12	772.5	Low Yellow		10/25/2015	10
10/25/2015	11.5	784	Low Yellow		10/26/2015	10
10/26/2015	14.5	798.5	Low Yellow		10/27/2015	15
10/27/2015	12	810.5	Low Yellow		10/28/2015	15
10/28/2015	13.5	824	Low Yellow		10/29/2015	10
10/29/2015	12	836	Low Yellow		10/30/2015	15
10/30/2015	11.5	847.5	Low Yellow		10/31/2015	20
10/31/2015	11	858.5	Low Yellow		11/1/2015	20
11/1/2015	10	868.5	Low Yellow		11/2/2015	15
11/2/2015	14	882.5	Low Yellow		11/3/2015	15
11/3/2015	11.5	894	Low Yellow		11/4/2015	15
11/4/2015	0	894	Low Yellow		11/5/2015	15
11/5/2015	6	900	Low Yellow		11/6/2015	20
11/6/2015	7	907	Low Yellow		11/7/2015	20
11/7/2015	0	907	Low Yellow		11/8/2015	15
11/8/2015	9	916	Low Yellow		11/9/2015	15
11/9/2015	15.5	931.5	Low Yellow		11/10/2015	15
11/10/2015	15	946.5	Low Yellow		11/11/2015	15
11/11/2015	17.5	964	Low Yellow		11/12/2015	15
11/12/2015	15	979	Low Yellow		11/13/2015	10
11/13/2015	12.5	991.5	Low Yellow		11/14/2015	12
11/14/2015	12	1003.5	Low Yellow		11/15/20115	15
11/15/2015	13	1016.5	Mid Yellow		11/16/2015	15
11/16/2015	14.5	1031	Mid Yellow		11/17/2015	10
11/17/2015	14	1045	Mid Yellow		11/18/2015	0
11/18/2015	14	1059	Mid Yellow		11/19/2015	0
11/19/2015	14	1073	Mid Yellow		11/20/2015	10
11/20/2015	13.5	1086.5	Mid Yellow		11/21/2015	10
11/21/2015	10.5	1097	Mid Yellow		11/22/2015	12
11/22/2015	11	1108	Mid Yellow		11/23/2015	10
11/23/2015	14	1122	Mid Yellow		11/242015	12
11/24/2015	13	1135	Mid Yellow		11/25/2015	10
11/25/2015	12	1147	Mid Yellow		11/26/2015	10
11/26/2015	12	1159	Mid Yellow		11/27/2015	10
11/27/2015	12	1171	Mid Yellow		11/28/2015	10
11/28/2015	11	1182	Mid Yellow		11/29/2015	10
11/29/2015	13	1195	Mid Yellow		11/30/2015	12
11/30/2015	12	1207	Mid Yellow		12/1/2015	0
12/1/2015	12	1219	Mid Yellow		12/2/2015	15
12/2/2015	15	1234	Mid Yellow		12/3/2015	10
12/3/2015	12	1246	Mid Yellow		12/4/2015	10
12/4/2015	14.5	1260.5	Mid Yellow		12/5/2015	0
12/5/2015	0	1260.5	Mid Yellow		12/6/2015	12
12/6/2015	5.5	1266	Mid Yellow		12/7/2015	10
12/7/2015	14.5	1280.5	Mid Yellow		12/8/2015	10
12/8/2015	11	1291.5	Mid Yellow		12/9/2015	10
12/9/2015	13	1304.5	Mid Yellow		12/10/2015	10
12/10/2015	12	1316.5	Mid Yellow		12/11/2015	0
12/11/2015	10	1326.5	Mid Yellow		12/12/2015	0
12/12/2015	0	1326.5	Mid Yellow		12/13/2015	10
12/13/2015	7	1333.5	Mid Yellow		12/14/2015	10
12/14/2015	15	1348.5	Mid Yellow		12/15/2015	10
12/15/2015	13.5	1362	Mid Yellow		12/16/2015	10
12/16/2015	12	1374	Mid Yellow		12/17/2015	10
12/17/2015	13	1387	Mid Yellow		12/18/2015	0
12/18/2015	11	1398	Mid Yellow		12/19/2015	10
12/19/2015	12	1410	Mid Yellow		12/20/2015	10
12/20/2015	2	1412	Mid Yellow		12/21/2015	10
12/21/2015	14	1426	Mid Yellow		12/22/2015	10
12/22/2015	12.5	1438.5	Mid Yellow		12/23/2015	12
12/23/2015	13	1451.5	Mid Yellow		12/24/2015	10
12/24/2015	11	1462.5	Mid Yellow		12/25/2015	8
12/25/2015	9.5	1472	Mid Yellow		12/26/2015	12
12/26/2015	13	1485	Mid Yellow		12/27/2015	10
12/27/2015	11	1496	Mid Yellow		12/28/2015	10
12/28/2015	13	1509	Mid Yellow		12/29/2015	8
12/29/2015	0	1509	Mid Yellow		12/30/2015	8
12/30/2015	0	1509	Mid Yellow		12/31/2015	8
12/31/2015	0	1509	Mid Yellow		1/1/2016	10
1/1/2016	8	1517	Mid Yellow		1/2/2016	10
1/2/2016	7	1524	Mid Yellow		1/3/2016	10
1/3/2016	8	1532	Mid Yellow		1/4/2016	10
1/4/2016	12	1544	Mid Yellow		1/5/2016	10
1/5/2016	12	1556	Mid Yellow		1/6/2016	10
1/6/2016	11	1567	Mid Yellow		1/7/2016	10
1/7/2016	12	1579	Mid Yellow		1/8/2016	8
1/8/2016	11.5	1590.5	Mid Yellow		1/9/2016	10
1/9/2016	11	1601.5	Mid Yellow		1/10/2016	10
1/10/2016	8	1609.5	Mid Yellow		1/11/2016	10
1/11/2016	11.5	1621	Mid Yellow		1/12/2016	10
1/12/2016	0	1621	Mid Yellow		1/13/2016	10
1/13/2016	11.5	1632.5	Mid Yellow		1/14/2016	10
1/14/2016	11.5	1644	Mid Yellow		1/15/2016	10
1/15/2016	11.5	1655.5	Mid Yellow		1/16/2016	10
1/16/2016	7	1662.5	Mid Yellow		1/17/2016	10
1/17/2016	6	1668.5	Mid Yellow		1/18/2016	10
1/18/2016	11.5	1680	Mid Yellow		1/19/2016	10
1/19/2016	8	1688	Mid Yellow		1/20/2016	10
1/20/2016	10	1698	Mid Yellow		1/21/2016	10
1/21/2016	11.5	1709.5	Mid Yellow		1/22/2016	10
1/22/2016	10	1719.5	Mid Yellow		1/23/2016	10
1/23/2016	7	1726.5	Mid Yellow		1/24/2016	10
1/24/2016	4.5	1731	Mid Yellow		1/25/2016	10
1/25/2016	7.5	1738.5	Mid Yellow		1/26/2016	10
1/26/2016	7.5	1746	Mid Yellow		1/27/2016	10
1/27/2016	8	1754	Mid Yellow		1/28/2016	10
1/28/2016	2.5	1756.5	Mid Yellow		1/29/2016	10
1/29/2016	8	1764.5	Mid Yellow		1/30/2016	10
1/30/2016	2.5	1767	Mid Yellow		1/31/2016	10
1/31/2016	4	1771	Mid Yellow		2/1/2016	10
2/1/2016	4	1775	Mid Yellow		2/2/2016	10
2/2/2016	6	1781	Mid Yellow		2/3/2016	10
2/3/2016	8	1789	Mid Yellow		2/4/2016	10
2/4/2016	12	1801	Mid Yellow		2/5/2016	10
2/5/2016	12	1813	Mid Yellow		2/6/2016	0
2/6/2016	11	1824	Mid Yellow		2/7/2016	0
2/7/2016	10.5	1834.5	Mid Yellow		2/8/2016	0
2/8/2016	7.5	1842	Mid Yellow		2/9/2016	10
2/9/2016	6	1848	Mid Yellow		2/10/2016	10
2/10/2016	8	1856	Mid Yellow		2/11/2016	10
2/11/2016	7	1863	Mid Yellow		2/12/2016	10
2/12/2016	8	1871	Mid Yellow		2/13/2016	10
2/13/2016	6	1877	Mid Yellow		2/14/2016	10
2/14/2016	6	1883	Mid Yellow		2/15/2016

This is a LOG! I thank you so much for sharing this, invaluable example on how to combine PF and BM to achieve results!

[closed297 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close closed297]

Can i please ask what is the reference to pf?

[MojoRisin Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close MojoRisin]

Hey everyone. I have been looking up info on the Phallosan on the gym and the rabbit hole led me here and to the threads DataWonk started. Really amazing stuff.

Anyway, since it appears that Traderace is no longer here, can anyone hazard a guess as to whether traderace used the standard phallosan or the phallosan plus?

I assume plus as he says the tension rods snapped? And I believe the phallosan forte does not have the rods?

Any help is much appreciated. Cheers lads.