Masturbation kills gains?

[Jhest Member Find all posts View Profile Close Jhest]

I'm really curious as to the validity/the science behind this.

It seems that after a nice PE session, edging would be beneficial by keeping your penis hard and erect long after you stop your routine. However ejaculating after seems very controversial. If PE exercises and edging increase your size by creating stress on the corpus spongiosum and corpus cavernosa in the penis, then wouldn't the damage already be done? How does ejaculating take away from this?

I appreciate all the help I've been getting I know I'm a new member and I've been asking alot of questions haha so thanks to those who answer

[BvckWood Banned Find all posts View Profile Close BvckWood]

Simple. Stop masturbating. Ejaculation kills my EQ, and I don't benefit from touching my dick besides doing PE. If you want to keep your penis expanded after your PE session, I would invest in a pump.

Btw, edging doesn't add size, otherwise everyone who grew up masturbating would have large dicks.

[Jhest Member Find all posts View Profile Close Jhest]

Simple. Stop masturbating. Ejaculation kills my EQ, and I don't benefit from touching my dick besides doing PE. If you want to keep your penis expanded after your PE session, I would invest in a pump.

Btw, edging doesn't add size, otherwise everyone who grew up masturbating would have large dicks.

Ejaculation has never hurt my EQ, in fact I've noticed a positive relationship between my EQ and frequency of ejaculation. I notice that times between girlfriends my EQ is not as good as when I have sex on the regular which is really why Im curious as to why people say ejaculation has a negative effect on gains.

I have a pump and use it frequently but usually use it before I jelq.

[Norwaydude Senior Member Member of the Month Oct. 2018 Find all posts View Profile Close Norwaydude]

Been wondering the same thing. So now i feel like i have wasted a session if i Get horny and ejaculate after. But one single session creates a hardly measurable effect on gains. So i guess we will never know for sure. Some talk about the refractory state afterwards. But i dont understand how that actually is negative for pe. Wouldnt everybody who was compulsive mastrubators have really tiny dicks?

[1panamanian Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close 1panamanian]

I'm really curious as to the validity/the science behind this.

It seems that after a nice PE session, edging would be beneficial by keeping your penis hard and erect long after you stop your routine. However ejaculating after seems very controversial. If PE exercises and edging increase your size by creating stress on the corpus spongiosum and corpus cavernosa in the penis, then wouldn't the damage already be done? How does ejaculating take away from this?

I appreciate all the help I've been getting I know I'm a new member and I've been asking alot of questions haha so thanks to those who answer

Imagine your penis as a balloon filling up with air, and the air is all the exercises that you've been doing with PE that... Until someone gets a needle (ejaculation) and pops the balloon. Where'd all the exercises go?

For some guys it is considerably hard to keep your gains going in a fast pace if you're always ejaculating after each session. The goal is to keep as much blood flow in your penis for as long as possible. As soon as you ejaculate all of that blood flow minimizes, thus hindering gains.

If you are ejaculating everyday while trying to do PE at the same time then try to minimize your ejaculations to only two or three times a week. Anyways if you do that, the ejaculation will be better especially if you're doing it with a partner because of the built-up semen retention.

[Jhest Member Find all posts View Profile Close Jhest]

I can understand that @1panamanian but the big question here seems to be "Does keeping your penis erect after a PE session have a significant positive effect on penis size?" If this is true, then using a cock ring or edging/ballooning would be ideal after your exercises. However, ejaculating after edging would only minimize the amount of gains by however much you would have gained in the case that you did NOT ejaculate and kept your penis hard for a longer period of time. If that were the case then you'd make even LESS gains if you chose to not even edge in the first place and finish your PE session once your exercises were finished.

In the case that keeping your penis erect after a PE session does NOT have an effect on your gains, then none of this is even worth discussing because ejaculating wouldn't be a factor in penis gains in the first place.

[1panamanian Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close 1panamanian]

I can understand that @1panamanian but the big question here seems to be "Does keeping your penis erect after a PE session have a significant positive effect on penis size?" If this is true, then using a cock ring or edging/ballooning would be ideal after your exercises. However, ejaculating after edging would only minimize the amount of gains by however much you would have gained in the case that you did NOT ejaculate and kept your penis hard for a longer period of time. If that were the case then you'd make even LESS gains if you chose to not even edge in the first place and finish your PE session once your exercises were finished.

In the case that keeping your penis erect after a PE session does NOT have an effect on your gains, then none of this is even worth discussing because ejaculating wouldn't be a factor in penis gains in the first place.

This whole post was extremely confusing but seems like you just re worded what I explained in my post.. lol

Anyways, ejaculation may seem like it's not hindering your gains just because you still have good EQ... EQ is EQ, Gains are Gains. They shouldn't be considered the same. Ejaculating releases all of that built up blood flow and tension built up during your exercises. So it's possible to have the same EQ after ejaculating, but it doesn't mean that your gains will keep increasing at a good rate, if anything your gains will slow considerably if you're 'always' ejaculating during your sessions. Which is why many of us PE vets suggest against cumming all the time during training sessions.

[Jhest Member Find all posts View Profile Close Jhest]

This whole post was extremely confusing but seems like you just re worded what I explained in my post.. lol

Anyways, ejaculation may seem like it's not hindering your gains just because you still have good EQ... EQ is EQ, Gains are Gains. They shouldn't be considered the same. Ejaculating releases all of that built up blood flow and tension built up during your exercises. So it's possible to have the same EQ after ejaculating, but it doesn't mean that your gains will keep increasing at a good rate, if anything your gains will slow considerably if you're 'always' ejaculating during your sessions. Which is why many of us PE vets suggest against cumming all the time during training sessions.

I know veterans suggest not ejaculating after sessions which is why I haven't been but if you think about it it doesn't make sense. If the reason NOT to ejaculate was because ejaculation = no blood flow and tension, then this implies that gains are made AFTER your exercises from continued blood flow. or at least a significant amount of your gains are made from blood in the penis after exercising. Does that make sense? Let me make it simple.

YOUR CLAIM:
If Ejaculation = less blood flow and tension and
Exercising + no ejaculation after > Exercising + Ejaculation after then:
This implies that significant gains are made from blood flow in penis after an exercise

MY SKEPTICISM:
If I edge after an exercise and simply ejaculate when all said and done, then I am STILL allowing more blood flow into my penis then I would if I didnt edge or ejaculate AT ALL, hence, more gains:
Exercises + Edging + Ejaculation > Exercising alone

[1panamanian Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close 1panamanian]

I know veterans suggest not ejaculating after sessions which is why I haven't been but if you think about it it doesn't make sense. If the reason NOT to ejaculate was because ejaculation = no blood flow and tension, then this implies that gains are made AFTER your exercises from continued blood flow. or at least a significant amount of your gains are made from blood in the penis after exercising. Does that make sense? Let me make it simple.

YOUR CLAIM:
If Ejaculation = less blood flow and tension and
Exercising + no ejaculation after > Exercising + Ejaculation after then:
This implies that significant gains are made from blood flow in penis after an exercise

MY SKEPTICISM:
If I edge after an exercise and simply ejaculate when all said and done, then I am STILL allowing more blood flow into my penis then I would if I didnt edge or ejaculate AT ALL, hence, more gains:
Exercises + Edging + Ejaculation > Exercising alone

NOWWW I understand! 👌🏽 Well put. I guess it comes down to the person in that case, if they were to do an edging session or not. But a real edging session, not 5-10 min.. I mean a full 30 or so minute edging session, then yeah I could see where it could even out in that case.

So to sum it up in that way:
Either you do a full PE workout without edge and don't ejaculate, and keep solid gains.

Or you do a full PE workout, full edging session and THEN ejaculate, and keep solid gains.

I can see where that works out. But like I said, with a real edging session, not a half ass thing

[Jhest Member Find all posts View Profile Close Jhest]

NOWWW I understand!  Well put. I guess it comes down to the person in that case, if they were to do an edging session or not. But a real edging session, not 5-10 min.. I mean a full 30 or so minute edging session, then yeah I could see where it could even out in that case.

So to sum it up in that way:
Either you do a full PE workout without edge and don't ejaculate, and keep solid gains.

Or you do a full PE workout, full edging session and THEN ejaculate, and keep solid gains.

I can see where that works out. But like I said, with a real edging session, not a half ass thing

Yeah agreed, the edging session should be at least 20-30 minutes otherwise you're just jerking off

[Jhest Member Find all posts View Profile Close Jhest]

And I noticed your size decreased an entire inch... I didn't know that was possible? I thought gains were permanent.

[1panamanian Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close 1panamanian]

Yeah agreed, the edging session should be at least 20-30 minutes otherwise you're just jerking off

True. No point in edging if your only doing a few minutes

[1panamanian Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close 1panamanian]

And I noticed your size decreased an entire inch... I didn't know that was possible? I thought gains were permanent.

Check the link in my signature. I quit cold turkey and lost my length gains

[Jhest Member Find all posts View Profile Close Jhest]

Oh damn I didn't think it was possible to lose gains like that. There is something called muscle memory but it applies to muscles, idk if it would apply in this situation but it basically states that when you lose alot of your muscle, you will gain it back quickly when you start working out again. Hopefully that happens to you with PE! Only time and consistency will tell

[TheZZMan Moderator Member of the Month Sept 2018PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close TheZZMan]

Personally, I am a skeptic on the whole don't ejac for several days. I feel if you do a good PE session and then edge at full erection for 20 to 30 minutes then you have helped cement what you have worked for. The ejac is just a reward for what you have worked for. I ejac most every day, edge hard for almost and hour and I have never seen any loss in gains as a result. I think the don't ejac thing is more about maintaining good EQ so that you don't have erection problems when you hook up with a girl or your partner. But judge for yourself, if ejac is effecting your gains and performance, then back off. Everyone is different and there is no cookie cutter approach. Try, see and adjust based on how your unit reacts.