Almost 4 Years, No Gains, Please Help With This Routine.

[MrBigDick Retired ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close MrBigDick]

Have you tried taking a full blown 2 week deconditioning break and then starting fresh with a whole new, revamped routine? You know, sort of a "shock and awe" effect?

[RIB2211 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close RIB2211]

No, I haven't actually. In about three weeks though, I do have exactly a two week period where my life is going to over-the-top busy...maybe that would be a good time?

[jd10021 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close jd10021]

Since you claim to primarily be "suffering" from less than satisfying EQ rather than size, bundled stretches and over-training on reps will be counter-productive. You can continue to try different suggestions that users throws out here (which has been your M.O. for the past 4 years) or give an experienced coach a try. I don't want to come off as a Big Al shill or someone that tries to tell you how to spend your money, but a mentally and physically dedicated person like yourself probably deserves an experienced coach to help you focus your goals and find the right program. Sign up with Big Al and take the no-risk 60 days and you can always come back here if it doesn't work for you. FYI, the "Big Al" routine you referenced in an early post was only a beginner's conditioning routine.

[RIB2211 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close RIB2211]

Since you claim to primarily be "suffering" from less than satisfying EQ rather than size, bundled stretches and over-training on reps will be counter-productive. You can continue to try different suggestions that users throws out here (which has been your M.O. for the past 4 years) or give an experienced coach a try. I don't want to come off as a Big Al shill or someone that tries to tell you how to spend your money, but a mentally and physically dedicated person like yourself probably deserves an experienced coach to help you focus your goals and find the right program. Sign up with Big Al and take the no-risk 60 days and you can always come back here if it doesn't work for you. FYI, the "Big Al" routine you referenced in an early post was only a beginner's conditioning routine.

That's a very good point. Though I have never given a stretch-heavy focus to my routines before. I'll try this current routine out for 3 months...if no progress, I'll take the next step and get into a Big Al program. Got nothing to lose by doing it.

[Slow&Steady Member Find all posts View Profile Close Slow&Steady]

The high EQ reps should make you harder with every stroke. Either you aren't using enough lube, are gripping too light or too hard. It should almost feel like you are compressing just the skin and slipping over it. It should feel very good. Shrinking after the workout to me means you aren't ready for this full blown routine yet. I'd cut the reps in half and build back up over a couple weeks. Going with BigAl is NOT a bad idea if you can spare the cash. Also a warning, do NOT put pressure on the top portion of your shaft. That is where the dorsal nerve resides and you can numb yourself. I learned that one the hard way and scared the crap out of myself for a week.

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I think your routine looks pretty good. Personally I wouldn't apply the JP style to the bundled stretches but rather a few reps straight out. Other exercises I like are the mandingo stretch and just behind-the-leg stretches. I feel a good stretch to the ligs doing BTL, and I also feel a good stretch just holding the straight down position.

My stretches at the moment are:
Down 30 sec x 2
BTL-left and BTL-right both 30 sec x 2
JP's stretches
Mandingo 30 sec x 2
Bundled 30 sec x 2
Tunica tugs 30 sec x 2
Flaccid bends four ways 30 sec each
Finish with another straight down 30 sec x 2

After that I do my girth work, but I'm quite happy with my stretches. It is definitely leaning towards the heavy side, but one can adjust the intensity of any exercise. I think a 3 month trial of length focused routine is reasonable if you haven't done it before. It has been four years though and Big Al might get you gaining straight away. Anyway, good luck. I admire the positive attitude.

[MrBigDick Retired ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close MrBigDick]

No, I haven't actually. In about three weeks though, I do have exactly a two week period where my life is going to over-the-top busy...maybe that would be a good time?

I think so. Sometimes a complete deconditioning break helps. Then, you give yourself a week to get back into the groove by taking it easy and then after the week, you TOTALLY change up your routine to shock your dick. I've done it and it seems to work.

[mr.growmymeat Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close mr.growmymeat]

The stretching routines are likely your best bet for gaining but if you're more interested in gaining EQ during sex I would do a medium jelqing and edging load, nix porn.. and workout slightly less especially if your workouts are going over 45 minutes.. you really would be fine at 45 minutes 3x a week.. I've seen people that are ripped/huge and clean on that and they are 38 years old. And don't diet too hard as that can be a negative EQ factor is your body is constantly in a caloric deficit. I know I recommended supplements, cold showers, and testicle massages already but maybe you could find out which supps do and don't work.. A lot of people say tribulus is a great natural test booster. Be sure to drink plenty of water and see if blueberries, black raspberries, pineapple, watermelon, and oysters help.

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Warm-up: 8 minutes

I think a 15 min warm up would be better too. I did a half hour warm up last week and had an extra stretchy flaccid that session.

[Going411x7 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Going411x7]

I have NEVER found that a stretch-heavy routine has helped me get harder, longer lasting erections. The only thing
that has helped improve my EQ are jelqing and kegeling. How can stretching help you improve your EQ? It doesn't make sense. My EQ did improve dramatically after a few weeks and I was jelqing and kegeling exclusively at the time.

I agree that a 15 minute warm-up is great to get your cock more malleable, whether you plan to jelq or stretch. I have
found it especially useful for immediate gains in length and girth from jelqing.

[RIB2211 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close RIB2211]

I completely understand what you guys are saying, especially since jelqing primarily targets the smooth muscle...however, I've done routines that are supposed to "boost my EQ" (ie. 200 OK jelqs 3x a week, edging post-workout, 100 kegels 3x a week). I saw no increase in my EQ.

When I say I eat very healthy, I also mean that I eat a ton of food. My job right now is, oddly enough, my fitness level...it requires me to maintain a certain size and conditioning level. I won't go into details about my job for reasons of anonymity, but believe me when I say it is near impossible for me to have a caloric deficit right now!

I will, however, add in a 15 minute warm-up!

[KingJR Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close KingJR]

200 jelqs and 100 kegels 3x a week? That is definitely not a whole lot.

Since you've been doing that routine a while ( I assume from reading the original posts ) up your jelqs to 300 every day. After 3 weeks bump it up to 400-600 depending on how much time you have. I'd also add maybe some trapping at that time. Simply trap at the base and hold for 10 seconds after every 50 jelqs. As for kegels, give the following routine a try:

100 quick squeezes
50 - 5 sec. holds
1 - 1 min hold.
Do these while keeping yourself erect.

Just a tip if you want to try out something else that has made my EQ a lot better, fast.

[Slow&Steady Member Find all posts View Profile Close Slow&Steady]

The routine I do and suggested is if you want to grow as your subject line says. If you want to improve EQ and not grow, forget the stretching routine as it will not improve EQ. Keagles and jelques are the primary tools but you need to go with a girth routine to plump, plump, plump that sucker up till it's ready to burst. But don't expect any growth as you are tunica limited.

[PenisKing Member Find all posts View Profile Close PenisKing]

The way I understand the TGC theory is that, you first got to pull, when you have pulled some length out, then you need to jelq to work on the smooth muscle to get EQ to a 10. Then pull again, and the cycle repeats till it reaches your genetic limits. I'm going on a exclusive jelqing routine now.

[Irishfan Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Irishfan]

Do you or have you done Roids?