Any others with 4.25" or less EG?

[aBone2pick Senior Member Member of the Month July 2014 Find all posts View Profile Close aBone2pick]

Nice gains Maple, can you post your routine?

*Edit* Particularly I was hoping for your beginner routine.

[This Time Imperfect Member Find all posts View Profile Close This Time Imperfect]

I started small on the girth size too (4.1) and am progressing well to being above and beyond the reported "statistical average". However, I should mention that the girth size was not an issue in my sex life with my wife (it could be only the psychological one for me occasionally). I think it is mainly the EQ and the ability to use the thing properly are what matter most.

Speaking on the statistical averages, the 4.9-5.0 EG seems to be upward biased. In North America, maybe judging by the size of Trojans, for example, it may be close to be true (they always felt pretty loose in the past on me). The often sited condom manufacturer's survey, however, was biased upwards by having mostly younger males who further pre-screened themselves by voluntarily agreeing to participate (smaller guys are more likely not to do it).

Globally, the average size is way lower, judging for example by the sizes of Asian condoms. I used ones in the past on several occasions and actually felt pretty big and tight in them. Since over 50% of the world population live in the SE Asia, India and Pakistan, the 4.25 EG does not seem to be too far or even above the true global statistical girth average.

In the meantime, despite all these statistical bias conclusions, let's all keep working on further girth gains. :-) Peace.

Nice post, man. Yeah, I live in the U.S, so I guess I either have to date an Asian chick or move to Asia, haha. It would be nice to know what your routines have been over the year. I'm currently just doing stretches, wet jelqs and v-jelqs, and I'm hoping I see some girth gains in 3-6 months.

[TheSperminator Member of the Month Oct 12 Find all posts View Profile Close TheSperminator]

For me it would and is simple, I would never give up. And do everything I could, fight for every 0.1 inch in girth.

[Padawan787 Moderator ReservePEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Padawan787]

I started small on the girth size too (4.1) and am progressing well to being above and beyond the reported "statistical average". However, I should mention that the girth size was not an issue in my sex life with my wife (it could be only the psychological one for me occasionally). I think it is mainly the EQ and the ability to use the thing properly are what matter most.

Speaking on the statistical averages, the 4.9-5.0 EG seems to be upward biased. In North America, maybe judging by the size of Trojans, for example, it may be close to be true (they always felt pretty loose in the past on me). The often sited condom manufacturer's survey, however, was biased upwards by having mostly younger males who further pre-screened themselves by voluntarily agreeing to participate (smaller guys are more likely not to do it).

Globally, the average size is way lower, judging for example by the sizes of Asian condoms. I used ones in the past on several occasions and actually felt pretty big and tight in them. Since over 50% of the world population live in the SE Asia, India and Pakistan, the 4.25 EG does not seem to be too far or even above the true global statistical girth average.

In the meantime, despite all these statistical bias conclusions, let's all keep working on further girth gains. :-) Peace.

True, in the opening chapter of super freakonomics the author quotes an indian study which found that 70% of Indian men were wearing condoms that were too big for them, as in they lacked the girth to properly fill them and it often resulted in slippage

This is from memory though, so when I get home i'll reread the passage, post the name of the study, and post the page number for anyone who has the book

Or someone else could check it for me now?

EDIT: I found the passage online, it is on page 8 of the Ebook, the name of the study wasn't cited, and the figure was actually 60%

Here is an excerpt:

According to the Indian Council ofMedical Research, some 60 percent of Indian men have penises too small for the condoms
manufactured to fit World Health Organization specs. That was the conclusion of a two-*‐yearstudy in which more than 1,000 Indian men had their penises measured and photographed byscientists. ‘The condom,’ declared one of the researchers, ‘is not optimized for India.’

[MapleLeaflet Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close MapleLeaflet]

For me it would and is simple, I would never give up. And do everything I could, fight for every 0.1 inch in girth.

It is true. PE and personal effort make permanent size changes possible, despite the conventional wisdom which tells one that he needs to simply accept whatever the nature and his parents provided him with. And even marginal changes in girth are very visible. A given gain in girth is way more visible in comparison with a similar gain in length.

Nice post, man. Yeah, I live in the U.S, so I guess I either have to date an Asian chick or move to Asia, haha. It would be nice to know what your routines have been over the year. I'm currently just doing stretches, wet jelqs and v-jelqs, and I'm hoping I see some girth gains in 3-6 months.

Nice gains Maple, can you post your routine?

*Edit* Particularly I was hoping for your beginner routine.

I discussed my routine a bit in the introductory post, but here is short summary again in a few simple words:

- I built my customized routine using the core principles and precautions summarized in the articles and main threads of this site.
- My routine was designed to accommodate the fact that I can't and do not want to spend more than 10-15 mins a day on average doing PE exercises.
- The initial gains will and should be mainly in length, not girth, so that you have enough material to work with when you build your shaft girth. I did it by doing simple and concentrated jelqs, then after a month or two I added stretching. The initial gains in length should be pretty fast if the routine is right.
- Then the more focused girth exercises (including ulis, squeezes, and bends) can be slowly added after roughly 3 months of the beginner's routine.
- After 6-8 months, you can slowly add clamping or pumping. I did clamping. By this time, the penile tissues should be already "broken down" and accustomed to the controlled structural damage that you cause through your PE routine.
- The key to building girth is doing it slowly and not forcing the progress. Injuries are not pleasant and can halt the progress. My main girth progress happened only over the last 3 months.
- Girth gains at first are very transitory and last from a few minutes to several hours. After a while, they gradually become permanent. The key is to be patient. All temporary gains can be made permanent with the right routine.

I will start the pumping block instead of clamping next month and will compare the relative impact of the two routines around the end of the year.

[ThinJohnny Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close ThinJohnny]

According to the Kinsey data, around 16% of men are 4.25 inches of girth or less. This is self-measured data, so if anything it under estimates the number of men at those girths. 16% is almost 1 out of every 6 guys. That's a lot of guys.

I'm 4.5, and also interested in hearing about guys starting with below average girths. There has to be a ton of guys on here in the 4.25 range if 16% of guys have that girth or less.

[thenewdude Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close thenewdude]

Penises come in all different shapes and sizes. Don't think that dudes with above average girths don't have issues. Back in the day (keep in mind I am 41 in age) that condoms came pretty much in one girth size which hurt like b*** to get even half way and would tear on me. Today in another matter where they comes in a variety of sizes. Most the times the issue with girth comes after the woman has children and does not do kegels to get the PC muscles (which includes vaginal) back in full shape. My wife even had this issue with her ex where she really didn't feel the friction as much afterward.

[sevenpointfive Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close sevenpointfive]

To those with smallish girth - I hope this inspires you to work hard and believe.
I really hated feeling like my penis was thin, and hearing that women prefer girth made matters worse.
I started with a girth of 4.5". I didn't gain anything with a routine of jelqing and some stretching. Admittedly I was on and off again with PE the first couple of years.
I started clamping and also saw no increase in girth, even temporarily. For some reason I continued and started more intense clamping sessions. I started to get temporary swelling of about 0.25". Probably just swelling. It was addictive though to see any increase in girth so I continued.
It seemed quite suddenly that I noticed that when clamped I was almost at 5" girth. Then it seemed that I had gained and was 4.75". It was hard to believe.
Anyway, I kept on clamping and seemed to get a 'feel' for what worked for me. The level of intensity, number of sessions a day, when to rest etc.
I experienced no injury, just the occasional slightly uncomfortable twinge in my penis which I came to think of as positive growth happening.
Once I got to the 5" girth mark I noticed I was expanding to 5.5" when clamped. At 5" girth my attitude changed too and I knew I could keep gaining using what I had learned.
I sat at the 5.25" mark for quite a while and just kept going until suddenly it seemed I was just under 5.5".
These days I measure probably once a week and occasionally clamp and am still around the 5.5" girth mark (sometimes a little less, sometimes a little more).
I do have a bit of discolouration on one side of my penis, which came quite recently. Only really noticeable when I'm flacid. I'm hoping that it will eventually fade, but even if it doesn't I'm very happy with my cock now.

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^^ Wow, that's amazing sevenpointfive. I'd be interested to know some more details about your clamping, like brands of clamps, under wraps, average time of a set. Any chance you could do a more detailed description in the Success thread or something? I'm at the stage where I think I need to really push for more girth. The length seems to keep coming but the girth is stuck. Congratulations on your gains.

[sevenpointfive Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close sevenpointfive]

Hi there,
I just used the Cable Clamps medium size clamp with a piece of mouse pad for a wrap. Generally just one clamp at the base fairly tight, but not crazy tight! I did experiment with 2 clamps for a while, but I was getting gains with just one, so I reverted back.
I was really all over the place with duration, number of sets etc. I tended to go more by feel. Sometimes I would push myself hard for a week straight then have a rest day or two. Other times I was more conservative. It really depended on what else was happening in my life at the time.
I'm still not sure if gains came from the intense periods or just total accumulated amount of PE in general?

[sevenpointfive Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close sevenpointfive]

Oh yes, and I edged while clamped to keep a rock hard erection throughout.
Generally found that each set would create more expansion. However when I first started there was none.
I think that you just have to find what works for you, it's trial and error unfortunately. I don't think there's a magic number for anything or a miracle routine that works for everyone.
I just focused on clamping, getting a very engorged hard erection and keeping it that way - repeatedly. I think that gradually that lead to growth.

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Well I hope I can get a feel for it as well as you did. I need a better under-wrap at least so I'll try some mouse pad material. Thanks for the inspiration

[sevenpointfive Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close sevenpointfive]

Reading Mapleleaflet's post, his experience seems similar to mine.
I think that by starting with jelqing (very infrequently) you kind of 'warm up' your penis.
I didn't get any growth at all for several years! Why did I continue? I guess I felt I had nothing to lose, even though I doubted that I might ever gain. I felt very thin at 4.5" girth and I was watching more porn at the time, which didn't help matters at all. I thought that even if I could at least get to 4.75" I would be happy.
I tried clamping probably a year or more into PE. At first it scared me, I thought I might damage myself. Then I found I really enjoyed the feeling of pressure and even though there were no gains I continued. It just became part of an edging/masturbation routine. I did have a fair bit of time on my hands back then as I work from home.
Expansion and gains only came for me when I really started to ramp up the number of sessions, sets, consecutive days etc. I did a lot of clamping! Bear in mind my penis had several years of PE conditioning by this stage, I'm not saying this would work if you are just starting out. Patience is probably the key to successful growth more than anything else if you think about it.

[Tusker Member Find all posts View Profile Close Tusker]

well my girth is in range as u ... how i feel about it ? .. well i feel like i need to work on it some more i cant have sex until marriage so i dont do it for someone just for myself and also i just started 7 days ago and i hope u do well

[egplz Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close egplz]

anyone ever seen pics of a skinny dick turned into big dick? I almost feel like the smaller your girth is to start with the harder it is to gain