Kickoff for Hardgainers?

[Hephaestus Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Hephaestus]

Well... yes!

20min bathmate
10 min rice sock
20 min stretches
15 min jelqing
20-40 min edging

Is it too much?

[Jay1983 Senior MemberMember of the Month Apr 2014, Sept 2016 Find all posts View Profile Close Jay1983]

In my mind it is. I knock my stretches and jelqs out in the mornings and then I edge in the early/late evenings.

[rbi99 Retired Moderator Member of the Month Nov 2017PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close rbi99]

Switch to UJ's and UV's first off (see my signature). They will blow the doors off whatever intensity level you think you are presently at regarding your jelqing. Regular V's do almost nothing because your two fingers squeezing themselves together create very little pressure against the sides of your CC's. I would go for a longer jelqing routine done less often. I don't think you are maxing out your CC's with only 100 jelqs, and 30 V's are a good warm up!!! Because of the intensity, and if time is a factor, you can do your UJ's one day and your UV's the next. PM me if you wish to regarding this subject.

[Hephaestus Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Hephaestus]

UVs and UJs, separate my routine, Pm you with questions... Got it!!

[CompensatingForMuscleMass Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close CompensatingForMuscleMass]

I had the same problem. For 2 years. Seriously. 2 years of PE and maybe 0.3" temporary gains that were gone very fast.
Look at my sig, does that look like a hardgainer? Except for girth, of course. But once I figure that out I'll probably start gaining that at a decent rate aswell.

My problem was that 90% of routines have some sort of jelqing. I'm doing something wrong, no idea what. I've spent 2 years trying to refine my jelqing technique and the simply fact is that I am incapable of doing it right. It does improve my EQ, but sizewise it's useless.

Maybe you are the same. I suggest you try Big Al's Jelq free routine. Start with a low volume (maybe 10 squeezes/2 minute s2s) and slowly add reps/time until you start seeing gains (make sure you write down your workouts so you can easily backtrace what volume is best for gains). Once gains stop drop back down in volume and start adding again, preferably hitting the range of volume you had when you made gains. It has worked for me.

[Cayas Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Cayas]

i have this same problem i do my clasic routine 5 min warm 10 min stretch then 12-18 min jelq 2days on 1d off 3-4 in week bathamte after about 1,5 year almoust no gain maybe about 0,3-0,5 i really start be sceptic about it all btw what is Big Al's Jelq free routine have somebody more details ?

[MapleLeaflet Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close MapleLeaflet]

I suggest you change your routine for several weeks to a simpler one:

1. Stop using Bathmate for now and do not edge
2. Do only dry exercises
3. Do only jelqs and stretching for now
4. Each exercise set would include the following sequence:
- Warm up a little bit (1-2 mins) by doing VERY light jelqs on a flaccid or semi-flaccid penis, with a regular grip
- Tighten a grip on your jelqs a bit more and do two or three 10 (reps) x 2 (hands) sets
- Do 3-4 of 5(r) x 2(h) jelq sets with an overhand grip and a very slow motion, including a kegel between each jelq to boost the blood. This way 2/3rds towards the glans you will have a great pressure at the glans area. Do not release the grip completely when you move your hand back - move your skin with your grip and do not alternate hands.
- Repeat the above with a regular o-ring grip. The objective to do jelqs at strong erection during these repetitions.
- Wiggle the thing a bit to release the pressure by doing helicopter, side-by-size, and up-and-down spanking, holding it at the base.
- Do slow stretching, alternating the base grip (all directions) and glans grip (also different directions). Keep the grip for 5-10 secs at the stretched position. Change hands between sets. Do 5-7 sets of 5-8 reps. Do stretching exercises slowly.
- Repeat the wiggle step.
- Afterwards, you can put it under warm water in the shower for 5-10 mins and do some gentle massage.

This set of exercises is simple, but it will loosen your ligs and penile tissues and will trigger the length and glans growth. I do not promise girth increases at this stage with this exercise set, but your objective is first to trigger the length and overall size growth. Again, no water or lube. Apply less pressure if you are getting a lot of red dots. You can do this routine on the 2 on - 1 off or 3 on - 1 off regime. Give it a try for several weeks.

Several other important side conditions:
- Shave off your pubic hair around the base, so that you can do exercises normally
- Do not masturbate
- Do not ejaculate outside regular sex with a partner
- Do not watch porn
- Try eating good foods (including fresh greens and fruit) and avoid fast food and flour-based products (pasta, cookies, breads, etc.).
- Do not drink coffee or sodas, but drink plenty of plain water throughout a day (at least half a gallon daily)
- Preferably go to bed early (before 11 pm) and get enough sleep.
- Exercise every other day (cardio, weights, etc.), start jogging, and start doing crunches, slow sit-ups, slow leg raises, and very slow squads every day (start with 10 each)
- Do not smoke (if you do).

Although the recommendations above look like a stupid joke, they are not. Give it a try for 4 weeks. If you do not get at least a 0.2-0.3'' length gain at the end, it means something is wrong with your technique. The secondary list may be tough to follow, but try. Four weeks is not a long period.

[Hephaestus Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Hephaestus]

Cayas: Thanks for the tip . I'll add this one routine to my future plans, as I am testing ultimate jelqs and mandingo stretches right now. If that doesn't work, it's the next on the list!


MapleLeaflet: Well, same as above! Thank you for advice!! If my current routine doesn't work, I'll give both yours and caya's a try (don't know which first, hehe). As for smoking, I do not smoke. Also, I eat very healthy food and I'm a bodybuilder (wanna be..) so I workout 4~6x a week + cardio. I'm not that keen on coffe or sodas and I drink lots of water (literally 3 liters/day). Normally I go to bed nearly 11pm.. I'm also shaved. My only problems are the porn and masturbation (I edge, but only ejaculate once every 3~4 days..). So little changes to be made... Anyways, it's good advice, and I'll try it! How are you 100% sure I'll gain 0.3' in that time if I perform the techniques correctly?

[MapleLeaflet Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close MapleLeaflet]

I think you are confusing your penis at this stage a bit too much by offering too many exercises to it, especially starting your routine with Bathmate. From your current stats (very good girth), your focus for a while should be length only, so put aside your Bathmate and do not confuse and beat up your dick with a lot of edging and masturbation. Just my opinion. Focus on two core simple exercises that work best for length, jelqs and stretching, and let your member fully rest between your sessions. Your starting objective is to loosen up the ligs and tissues (which in your case are especially stubborn), but your current "full set" routine prevents you from doing it effectively.

In terms of the secondary conditions, you pass the test (aside from masturbation and porn), which is very good.

I did not provide a 100% guarantee, just pointed out a few weak points in your current routine. Stretching and jelqs will make eventually everybody grow lengthwise, provided that you are persistent yet reasonable. People in some tribes make their necks, ears and lips long, so I am sure it is easier to stretch your dick than a ear.

[Dubgrip Member Find all posts View Profile Close Dubgrip]

I didn't see much of a gain until about six months in. I believe the difference for me was rotating compressors, Big Al Squeezes, lots of Uli's and stretching. I had all but cut out the jelqs. I can't do a regular jelq very well but I respond well to VJ's and I'm bringing them back into my routine now. Basically after conditioning, I think my unit requires periodic changes to get it growing.

[Hephaestus Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Hephaestus]

MapleLeaflet: I see.. I'll think seriously about changing my routine. I'm just a bit skeptic about manual (for me) lately..

Dubgrip: Yoou're the second person telling me to leave jelqing behind, how often did you do your routine and how long did it take?

[Cayas Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Cayas]

Hephaestus i didnt write you some advice i write you that i have same problem that i dont grow too BUT i think i maybe reslove it i tried do some VERY slow long jelqs and more uli something as supra slamers but more jelq AND my cock answer on it i was biger after firts seasion and next day today still keep it and i feel better that my cock is visible biger try this Hephaestus longer slow feeling jelq

[Hephaestus Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Hephaestus]

How slow are we talking about here? 10 seconds? 7 seconds? I do my jelqs 3-4 seconds..

[Cayas Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Cayas]

yes about 7 second i tried too 10 but im not so patient for it and if u do uli after 15second move your hand with press blood to your glans

[Hephaestus Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Hephaestus]

Well... I'll try doing it.. slow motion jelq hahaha..

I'm really interested in all the hints you guys gave me, I'm gonna test every routine, just gonna stick with this one for a little longer.. maybe until I do 10000 ultimate jelqs (in 7 sec strokes..hahaha) and see if I get any results.