Medical View on PE from someone who doesn't participate in exercises (Please Read!)

[Dangler Senior Administrator☼ Wizard ☼ White Tiger Award 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close Dangler]

Hi Holdfast! I am not sure if anyone wrote you a "Greeting-Welcome to the PEGym" post yet,
before you (fell/jumped/got pushed/lured by BigO) into the cauldron of debate.

Okee-dokee...We enjoy good hearted blathering, verbal jostling, and close inspection of the Potholes of life. Mostly just stay on topic, or we'll all march like lemmings into the Pit of Despair.
There, I feel much better, do you ? Oh good, Aye Caramba !
Send food to stay on our good side. Or you get taunted. Mountain Oysters, Frog legs, Deep Fried Sushi, ought to do it.
Any questions, feel free to ask. Answers cost extra!
Dangler

[Frog Senior Member Member of the Month March 2017 Find all posts View Profile Close Frog]

Well a big part of the problem PE, ED, Premature Ejaculation, Delayed Ejaculation, Peyronie's Disease, etc. are poorly understood and researched in the medical field is because men are embarrassed to come forward. Which really is shame. Money is an issue as well, but most people assume these things are small, isolated issues when in reality a large number of men I would most likely suffer from one or more of the issues I've mentioned. It's not the 1-5% people think. It's probably more like 20-40%.

Welcome to the gym! Your insight can be helpful to many people. It is a shame so many men suffer in silence thinking nothing can be done or too embarrassed to seek help. Start Here......To get you comfortable with what all the talk is. Sorry for hijacking your thread a little, I got hungry. Good luck in your journey!

[lobey Banned Find all posts View Profile Close lobey]

Holdfast...the right name for you...you seem to have a deathgrip on the lie that science is the answer for everything...truth is not science. Anecdotal evidence demands wisdom and discernment that lab rats will never understand...until they get proven wrong - even proven wrong without scientific truth. Something is true if it works....the research always catches up later....many times years later - after many of us believed lies for years. You are a statement maker and a bottom up thinker...and probably concerned that your penis is not as big as you want it to be. I am old enough to have made the mistake of believing experts...about diet, exercise, and other things - including pe. It works. It makes sense. The whys are a lot less important than the is. If you need to know the why about everything before you try them you will end up very unhappy....unhappy with a small penis - what could be worse than that. Come into the light my son....feel the warmth and enjoy...the sun doesn't cease to exist because you don't fully understand it. Ex nihilo brother.

[BigO AdministratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close BigO]

Hi Holdfast! I am not sure if anyone wrote you a "Greeting-Welcome to the PEGym" post yet,
before you (fell/jumped/got pushed/lured by BigO) into the cauldron of debate.

Okee-dokee...We enjoy good hearted blathering, verbal jostling, and close inspection of the Potholes of life. Mostly just stay on topic, or we'll all march like lemmings into the Pit of Despair.
There, I feel much better, do you ? Oh good, Aye Caramba !
Send food to stay on our good side. Or you get taunted. Mountain Oysters, Frog legs, Deep Fried Sushi, ought to do it.
Any questions, feel free to ask. Answers cost extra!
Dangler

Well it was a debate to begin with, hello comes with a smile but I was not smiling at the time.

[GoingForGold Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close GoingForGold]

Congrats on your degrees! I'm sure you'll help many people and be very rich in return.

That being said, PE is not what you learned about. To learn about PE, check out this website. Pseudo-science is about all we have on the subject. The user eow has collected a number of scientific texts on the subject of penis anatomy, if that is what you are interested in.

I personally think people would be better off getting in touch with THEIR penis, not the millions of words that have been put together on the subject. However, that is me, and I love my penis.

I love having a bigger, stronger penis. Do I need more self-esteem? Sure! Don't we all

P.S: I can do a routine safely 6 on, 1 off. I can also do a routine unsafely 1 on, 1 off. The details are what you're missing.

[lobey Banned Find all posts View Profile Close lobey]

Congrats on your degrees! I'm sure you'll help many people and be very rich in return.

That being said, PE is not what you learned about. To learn about PE, check out this website. Pseudo-science is about all we have on the subject. The user eow has collected a number of scientific texts on the subject of penis anatomy, if that is what you are interested in.

I personally think people would be better off getting in touch with THEIR penis, not the millions of words that have been put together on the subject. However, that is me, and I love my penis.

I love having a bigger, stronger penis. Do I need more self-esteem? Sure! Don't we all

P.S: I can do a routine safely 6 on, 1 off. I can also do a routine unsafely 1 on, 1 off. The details are what you're missing.

well said

[Cya at 8 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Cya at 8]

Holdfast... I personally appreciate your insight and look forward to you learning more so to provide a deeper understanding as what is happening when we do PE. I'm not certain you have enough detail to draw conclusions as of yet but I'm certain you can become a extremely valued member in the PE community!

Welcome to the boards!

[CLOSEDDennyA Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close CLOSEDDennyA]

Holdfast, I welcome your input and it is always important to weigh all sides...As far as being necessary, I think most men know this deep down but want it anyway. Here is a list of other unnecessary but potentially harmful activities: Sky diving, mountain climbing, alcohol consumption, liposuction, boob jobs to name just a few...why do we want bigger dicks? Because we can even if it's not rational. Welcome to the gym.

Oh, BTW, when I sat down to type this wearing sport pants, my dick was in a position that I sat on the head...totally unnecessary but it felt good (after it stopped hurting)

[not2big Senior Super ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close not2big]

Hey, Holdfast!

You say PE has no health benefits. I have suffered from ever increasing ED as a result of diabetes. Prior to starting PE, even 150 mg of Viagra could not generat a usable erection. However, after completing a solid routine of pumping and jelqing, I can now occasionally generated 70% erection with 50 mg of Viagra and 5 gr of l-arginine. I have also read on my ED forum that many urologists recommend pumping as a treatment for ED. Especially those recovering from a prostectomy.

You said that a 3" erection s all that is needed to bring a woman to orgasm. I was wondering how big your dick is. Prior to PE, my erect penis measured 4.5" x 4.4". My size always embarrassed me and resulted in significant lack of confidence in the ability to satisfy a partner which probably is the reason a remained a virgin until I was 27. Perhaps you can teach football without ever playing; however, if you do not have a small penis, you have no idea how it effects your self confidence with regard to intimate relations.

PE has helped with my ED and has definitely improved my self confidence.

[HoldFast Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close HoldFast]

To the point a member said that ideas or "psuedo-science" often pre-date actual scientific findings I wholeheartedly agree. I never said PE didn't work!

I just said there is too much psuedo-science surrounding issues like this and any issue involving the penis really. Which is sad and you guys are right if I was really concerned with my size I would probably try some crazy shit just because I was desperate.

not2big, There is a study linking PE devices to improved EQ so it's not a illogical to assume manual would do that as well and I had forgotten about that.

If I understand the average length pubis to tip is 5.25 inches and I have no idea what the average circumference would but I would assume it's slightly under 4 inches.Given those measurements I am safely above average, but by no means extremely large. If improving your size gave you confidence I'm glad for that, but I would argue a therapist would've been much better / easier.

If you read polls girls really don't care. If your good, your good. Penis size has very little to do with it and believe it or not girth is far more important.

To those who've questions my education or assumed I was bragging because of it. I was not. I was giving background on myself. A year's internship at a cutting edge urologist specializing in issues like Delayed Ejaculation and Peyronie's Disease did give me a very good education on the way things work though and what the current thinking is by the the majority of medical professionals.

YES THIS IS LACKING, but until more men come forward it will continue to be that way. Don't dwell in silence. Don't be embarrassed.

[eow. Member of the Month April 2013 Find all posts View Profile Close eow.]

If I understand the average length pubis to tip is 5.25 inches and I have no idea what the average circumference would but I would assume it's slightly under 4 inches.

Nope.

KNOW THIS: EVERYTIME YOU STRETCH YOUR PENIS YOU ARE INJURING IT. PERIOD.

Nope.

You need to read more.

[not2big Senior Super ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close not2big]

Hey HoldFast!

While inturning with the urologist did you ever come across the experimental use of DMSO and iodine as a way to reduce/prevent scar tissue? I read that iodine has been shown to effectively reduce lesions on internal organs and that DMSO effectively transfers material through the skin to cells under the skin. Accordingly, it is theorized that a solution of DMSO and iodine (2:1) will penetrate through the penile skin and tissues to reach any existing or forming scar tissue and reduce it or prevent it from forming.

I have been injecting Trimix (contains PGE-1) at least twice a week for about two years and have been applying the DMSO/iodine solution on a regular basis since I started injecting. So far no evidence of scar tissue. I have also applied it to two small growts on the back of my hand and both have disappeared. Seems like it might be effective against the scar tissue causing Peyronies.

Just a thought.

[namsokiek Banned Find all posts View Profile Close namsokiek]

Holdfast,

I appreciate your contribution and can sympathize with your little baptism by fire (you may want to double check the tone of your posts
in the future). You're absolutely right when you state there is a lot of pseudo-science about PE. If you examine bodybuilding there was a lot of pseudo-science about that for several decades. Hell, I remember the fundamentals of exercise taught when I was a kid, they would be totally mocked if they were taught today. The difference is that weight training stopped being something that weird people did after researchers plucked up the courage to study it properly.

Since you asked for someone to "point out one mistake or untruth in my post," I'll oblige you.

1) If you review your posts you make some absolutist statements, which you'll find will rankle some folks here. That's because there are very few times where absolutes actually apply, which would make them untrue. For example, "every time you stretch you injure yourself," perhaps if you qualify the degree of injury (micro tears) it may be true; otherwise untrue.

2) Another untruth, "I don't really condone manual PE of any kind because the risk of injury is far greater than the chances of you doing this correctly and earning success." This is a really confused statement because you're trying to compare the risk of injury (a probability of occurrence multiplied by a severity of the occurrence) to the chances of doing it correctly (just a probability of occurrence). If we ignore that the units don't work out and assume this statement was factual; statistically speaking, I would have injured myself many, many times during my length and girth gains. However, any deviation from normalcy has been completely corrected by an extra day or two of heat, rest, and more heat. No permanent injury, thus not true.

3) Something else you assumed is your understanding of penis tissue gives you an understanding of the effects of PE. That is an assertion that can't be supported by any evidence you've presented. You've admitted there is a lack of disciplined study, which as a doctoral candidate with two masters will represent the primary source of your understanding. On the other hand, there are many folks here who have practiced and studied PE for several years who, like the bodybuilders of old, have figured out what works, even if they haven't figured out precisely why.

4) "How many people on this forum have spent hundreds or thousands of dollars on pills, devices, etc. for none of it to work at all." I don't think this rhetorical question was intended to be answered but, I've barely spent a $100. However, stretching, jelqing, and kegels (the building blocks of the PE presented on this forum) require no money to perform, only time. This forum is very conscientious to recommend at least 6 months of manual PE before anyone bothers to purchase any devices.


5) "Even if it does work it's rarely necessary and a good number of people are going to permanently injure themselves by doing thing incorrectly." This is only an unsupported opinion and is entirely applicable to many other endeavors listed in previous posts.

6) "I would argue a therapist would've been much better / easier." I've really got to wave the BS flag on this argument. Have you seen what therapists visits cost!?! I've never been one to struggle with self-confidence, but PE is much easier and a hell of a lot better than therapy.

Next time you post I recommend you keep a couple things in mind:

1 - We're not all knuckle-draggers. There are many well educated people who have put a lot of study and practice into PE. We don't claim to know it all and we readily admit there is a big gap in research. Presenting research which supports your point of view is received much better than someone claiming credentials closely followed by their "expert opinion." However, even research will receive critical review if we see short-comings in it.

2 - One isn't required to have insecurities before studying and practicing PE. I have few insecurities. However, after reading many of the knowledgeable posts on this site I decided to experiment. To my amazement it worked!! All our lives we've been told, explicitly or implicitly "some people have big dicks and some people have small dicks and there is nothing we can do about it." Well, that was wrong. Remember how you felt when you learned there was no Santa Clause? This is the exact opposite!!! Having the ability and knowledge to change the size of your penis is empowering. Not unlike your sense of accomplishment when you reached your 200lb goal.

3 - This form is exceptionally welcoming and supporting, if you don't step on some toes when you walk on board. In addition, we're pretty forgiving once you stop stamping about.

4 - We're very interested to learn more. Your insights regarding the physical characteristics of penis tissue is valued by serious practitioners on this forum.

Finally, welcome aboard. I look forward to your contributions.

[Realman Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Realman]

Man I think you had a discuss with your Professor about PE. You probably lost in the end for there is no concrete evidence you can show him to prove it. You came here to have a discussion about using back the same thing the prof said to dispel your arguments. You probably also wonder why there are more guys doing PE enchancement drugs than PE and came to some conclusion. That is is dangerous. It is only dangerous when you use improper technique,too much intensity and not enough recovery just like exercising and weight lifting. Permanent damage and scar tissue is cause by too much intensity, that you cause severe tissue tearing. Scar tissue may be removed by doing some bends and probably some tunica tugs to loosen up the tissue there.

As a member of the medical field,or even as a university student you should know, that all knowledge started from experience.Remember you read for your degree and where did this information come from.A guy had an idea,did it and documented the experience. That's how you have your text books and lectures notes. Experiments , experience, hmmm.... So try it and see where you end up. Also I don't think,I need to explain the true purpose of a doctorate degree ?

Also if you still think manual PE is dangerous, then you could some some edging and kegel. Edging is basically masturbating close to ejaculation and stopping and continuing this process. You could probably gain something from this and if you do I would like for you to explain what you think happened ? Cause we all know masturbating is safe,but you could maybe gain some penis size based on how you do it.(parameters)


I think , I went off topic and started a rant .I am so tired....*yawn*

[Cya at 8 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Cya at 8]

To the point a member said that ideas or "psuedo-science" often pre-date actual scientific findings I wholeheartedly agree. I never said PE didn't work!

I just said there is too much psuedo-science surrounding issues like this and any issue involving the penis really. Which is sad and you guys are right if I was really concerned with my size I would probably try some crazy shit just because I was desperate.

not2big, There is a study linking PE devices to improved EQ so it's not a illogical to assume manual would do that as well and I had forgotten about that.

If I understand the average length pubis to tip is 5.25 inches and I have no idea what the average circumference would but I would assume it's slightly under 4 inches.Given those measurements I am safely above average, but by no means extremely large. If improving your size gave you confidence I'm glad for that, but I would argue a therapist would've been much better / easier.

If you read polls girls really don't care. If your good, your good. Penis size has very little to do with it and believe it or not girth is far more important.

To those who've questions my education or assumed I was bragging because of it. I was not. I was giving background on myself. A year's internship at a cutting edge urologist specializing in issues like Delayed Ejaculation and Peyronie's Disease did give me a very good education on the way things work though and what the current thinking is by the the majority of medical professionals.

YES THIS IS LACKING, but until more men come forward it will continue to be that way. Don't dwell in silence. Don't be embarrassed.

If *you're*

I can't stand when people miss Your and You're. Someone of YOUR education should know better and if you did, YOU'RE just lazy.