Finished JPs, toss around ideas for progression?

[ibleev Member Find all posts View Profile Close ibleev]

Alright, so I finished JP90 and now it's time to move on or add to or change completely...

As I reported before, I saw immediate gains the first week or two of JP90, nothing substantive since.

So the question is:

Is it time to add more advanced excercises?
Is it time to extend?
Is it time to pump?

A little of each?

I'm at 6 NBPEL, 5.5 MEG, tunica-limited, and I'd like to get to 7 NBPEL (or 8 if that's possible) and 6.5 MEG. I understand it'll take a couple of years at least. Especially at my (relatively) advanced age of late 30s.

I've been thinking about using JP's as a basis and adding ulis to my routine and doing it instead of 5 times per week, maybe just 2 or 3. I've already added some testicular jelqing - oh, and something I'm calling a reverse jelq, I'm sure it's been done before (I'm just compressing slightly while not fully erect rather than stretching - it seems to help my girth a LOT!)

I've also been thinking about getting an extender for 2-3 days per week (don't want to over train), the way I work I could wear it an awful lot of the time, and since I'm tunica limited, that seems the way to go.

Then also for days not doing my routine (or if I just used the extender 1 or 2 days) I could get something like the bathmate for the off days. I would definitely like to take 2 days off per week, so like 2 on (whatever it is), 1 off, 3 on, 1 off.

But at this point I'm just spit balling.

Thanks in advance for your feedback / input / links / motivation!

[popol5169 Senior Member Member of the Month Nov 2014 Find all posts View Profile Close popol5169]

I think you shouldn't look at every devices and numerous exercises you can add to your routine.
Would you mind to describe your current routine in details as well as the PIs you experienced?

It is a good idea to add Uli's in between jelq sets (begin with 80 % EL, overtime you will be able to increase it), start with a few and work your way up gradually, monitor your PIs, very important especially when it comes to girth work.

You can also add bundled stretches. I'm not a fan of these, but they would work both on your tunica and your ligs.

Now you could also try different ways to jelq.
There are so many different ways to jelq, I suggest you jelq around 70-80 % of EL (no tight grip for now), and you can also use different grips to up the intensity (still monitor your PIs and take enough rest days!).
Kickinthemebs came up with a new grip which is apparently pretty efficient, you can also have a look at Ultimate Jelqs and Ultimate V jelqs.

If you're looking to use an extender, I suggest you use it on a nearly daily basis, many hours a day . Although some do use it only 2-3 hours a day, including other kind of manual length work.

A pump can be added too, but I'm not sure if the bathmate is better than an air pump. It is not necessary either, so you may spare your money for the time being.

Whatever you do, don't overtrain, and don't look into too many exercises in a single routine. Intensity, frequency of the work outs led by positive PIs are the main reasons behind a successful routine.

[BigO AdministratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close BigO]

I agree with Popol. Slight changes in intensity, one at a time, is best. Proceed slowly, and see if that change works well for you before changing it again.

If it works, stick with it until it doesn't anymore.

I would also suggest squeezes before adding ulis. They're slightly less intense, and actually sound a lot like what you are doing here;

oh, and something I'm calling a reverse jelq, I'm sure it's been done before (I'm just compressing slightly while not fully erect rather than stretching - it seems to help my girth a LOT!)

Reverse jelqs are just that, jelqing in the reverse direction, from glans to base.

For length, the stretches, and bundles, will help the most. You can up the time a bit if you feel you need to.

As always, keep a close eye on PI's when making changes.

[ibleev Member Find all posts View Profile Close ibleev]

Cool, great thinking - thank you!

No reason to rush in, make one change at a time over a period of weeks, I dig.

So Popol, I'll give you my routine in detail:

1) 5 - 10 minutes of warm-up. I use a hot towel in water, so obviously it becomes less effective the longer I try to warm up. I feel like warming up is really important to loosening things up and getting blood into the area. Sometimes I'll try for some level of erection (50 - 80% depending), again just to get the blood flowing.

2) Side-stretches, 20 count quick kegels (a half-second to a second hold each).

3) Cranks with a count of about 5 - 8 seconds each, ten each direction, I usually start down with whatever hand.

4) Ruler stretch, 20 quick kegel

5) Stretch up, 20 quick kegels

6) Scrotum down-stretch, 45 count

7) Scrotum spread-stretch, 45 count

8) "Stretching" standard jelq - 2 seconds each with each hand, x 50 at 50% to start (goes down as I go along though I try a little to keep it up), usually with a kegel

9) Angled V jelqs (I don't do reverse grip and only sometimes do V grip - just keeps my erection down usually), sometimes with a kegel, again 2 seconds each hand x 30 at 60 - 70% to start

10) "Compression" or reverse jelq - 2 seconds each with each hand, x 50 at 50% to start (goes down as I go along though I try a little to keep it up), usually with a kegel, I'll move my way around the shaft, I try to do about a third closer to the tip, a third in the middle of the shaft and a third at the base of the shaft

(this REALLY helps my girth btw, whenever I do these before sex my gf NOTICES!)

11) Angled V jelqs, sometimes with a kegel, again 2 seconds each hand x 30 at 60 - 70% to start, sometimes I'll also bend the shaft gently in various directions as my erection lessens, to the side, down, and up

12) Side Stretches 10 count, since I'm warm, I'm pulling pretty hard at this point

13) Cranks "up" (opposite of where I started)

14) Ruler Stretch 10 count

15) Stretch up 10 count

16) "Stretching" standard jelq - 2 seconds each with each hand, x 50 at 50% to start, usually with a kegel

17) Angled V jelqs, sometimes with a kegel, again 2 seconds each hand x 30 at 60 - 70% to start

18) Scrotum down-stretch, 45 count

19) Scrotum spread-stretch, 45 count

20) Testicular pull (gentle, just kinda starting these)

21) Warm-down - same as warm up, start with a hot wet cloth, 5 - 10 minutes

The whole routine takes me about an hour, but sometimes more. Honestly lately I'm having a hard time keeping consistent. This is down to two things: a) I'm not seeing gains, so as long as my penis feels healthy I'm content I guess, too contented, and b) I'm usually ready to begin around midnight after work and that makes for a LATE night. Especially if I had a "regular" work-out during that day. I'm pretty tired by then!

Another part of my routine is I have a 30 minute kegel routine I try to do every day:
1) 5 second hold kegel on, 5 second complete release, x 10 (warm-up)
2) 30 1-second pulse kegels, 1 minute rest, x 10
3) 20 pulse kegels in 10 seconds, 30 seconds rest, x 3
4) 2 minute hold, 2 minutes rest
5) 30 second hold, 1 minute rest x 5

As far as PIs go, I get great morning wood every day, no pain, high erection quality - things feel pretty healthy. So I'm good with keeping it that way!

workin_4_it, yes, it is working fine - great eq, great health, but no real change in size. Things have been about static for a few months, so of course my tendency is to add or change something that will show SOME change...

I don't know if this is a reverse jelq... to do that you hold the tip out stretched and grip with your other hand and jelq to the base, right? I'm not really doing that. I'm - and this could be dangerous if your penis isn't properly conditioned and I get that so I'm always VERY careful - I'm compressing the penis by pushing the glans down into my other gripping hand. Does that make sense? What this does is it provide a much greater girth engorgement than a standard jelq for me. And again, I do that in three different places on the shaft, varying as I go.

So I'd like to get going on my length. Seems to me the thing to start with is the extender then? Or should I just add more stretching to my routine?

Thanks again for your feedback and input!

[Big Al AdministratorPEGym EditorMale Enhancement Coach Rep.PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Big Al]

Cool, great thinking - thank you!

No reason to rush in, make one change at a time over a period of weeks, I dig.

So Popol, I'll give you my routine in detail:...

Have you considered a more condensed routine?

How do you plan on figuring out which one of those exercises is actually doing anything for you? Why do you feel the need for so many exercises for your penis?

[ibleev Member Find all posts View Profile Close ibleev]

Honestly, most of that is JonPop's. 6, 7 and 18-20 are testicular stuff I just added. Oh, and I added another set of stretches in between the 2nd and 3rd Jelq set. I feel like the stretches are probably supposed to be where the rubber hits the road, no?

And I feel like they're all doing *something* for me, otherwise I wouldn't do them. Things are healthy, sex is better, so... yeah, I'll keep after it if that's what it takes.

Oh, and the kegel routine I was doing well before I started JPs. I don't focus on doing kegels too much during my PE routine on days I've done my kegel routine already (usually during lunch or something).

But YEAH, I'm ALL for condensing the routine. One of the things that makes it difficult is that it takes so long.

Thanks Al!

So what do you think I should take out?

Or, if I were to get an extender, what could I replace with that and remove from the routine?
Or, if I were to get a pump, what could I replace with that and remove from the routine?

[popol5169 Senior Member Member of the Month Nov 2014 Find all posts View Profile Close popol5169]

I agree with Al, you're doing way too many different exercises.
Your compression exercise is apparently working really well, so keep it as main girth exercise.
Do you mind describing your exercise with more details? Beware of your EL, don't go beyond safety.
As for stretches, you could, for example , do directional stretches. Hold the stretch for 15 secs and work your way up to a minute.

[Big Al AdministratorPEGym EditorMale Enhancement Coach Rep.PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Big Al]

Honestly, most of that is JonPop's. 6, 7 and 18-20 are testicular stuff I just added. Oh, and I added another set of stretches in between the 2nd and 3rd Jelq set. I feel like the stretches are probably supposed to be where the rubber hits the road, no?

And I feel like they're all doing *something* for me, otherwise I wouldn't do them. Things are healthy, sex is better, so... yeah, I'll keep after it if that's what it takes.

Oh, and the kegel routine I was doing well before I started JPs. I don't focus on doing kegels too much during my PE routine on days I've done my kegel routine already (usually during lunch or something).

But YEAH, I'm ALL for condensing the routine. One of the things that makes it difficult is that it takes so long.

Thanks Al!

So what do you think I should take out?

Or, if I were to get an extender, what could I replace with that and remove from the routine?
Or, if I were to get a pump, what could I replace with that and remove from the routine?

My advice would be to pick one exercise each for length and girth. Pick the ones that you feel are the most effective. Evaluate them over the course of the next few weeks to determine if they're worth keeping as a part of your regimen.

If you'd like to use an extender, use it in lieu of any scheduled manual length work.

A pump would be used as an extended part of your warm down.

You should also make sure to include some stamina work in your training.

[PurpleOnes Senior Member Member of the Month June 2014PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close PurpleOnes]

I wanted to suggest you thread I made while ago about the same subject.

https://www.pegym.com/forums/penis-e...fter-jp90.html

[ibleev Member Find all posts View Profile Close ibleev]

Sorry Big Al, I didn't understand this part:
"A pump would be used as an extender part of your warm down."

Could you try that one again? THANKY!

PurpleOnes, checking out your thread, thank you! Cool ideas there, I'd like to see more opinions (as I'm sure you would)


The general opinion seems to be that I'm doing too much. I'm a little surprised because aside from the testicular stuff and one added set of stretches, I'm basically doing JPs (with some minor changes), the same thing I've done for the last three months...

So do I take from this that now that I've finished conditioning with JP90, it's time to cut back? Time to focus a little more rather than have such a general program?

[ibleev Member Find all posts View Profile Close ibleev]

Oops, for got to answer Popol

"Do you mind describing your exercise with more details? Beware of your EL, don't go beyond safety."

Sure. Yes, when doing jelqs, I find that my erection doesn't last too long. If I don't do jelqs, it will last forever. But the manipulation during the exercise causes my erection to go down. So I only do the "compression jelq" (please correct me if there's a correct name) when I have a very low level erection, no more than 50%, and now that I think about it, probably closer to 30.

To compress jelq the top half, I'll grip the glans with one hand 'ok' and I'll grip the middle of the shaft 'ok', and I'll push my hands together over the space of a couple of seconds. What this does is gives me a MASSIVE temporary girth in the space in between my hands. I experience no pain or discomfort of any kind, and if things look too much, I simply loosen one or both grips quickly.

Then I'll move to the middle: I'll grip below the glans and above the base and again push my hands together.

Then I'll move to the bottom, I'll grip the middle of the shaft and the very base and push my hands together slowly.

Generally speaking, I'll do a couple of reps in the same place before moving. But if my non-erect girth is something like 4.5 or 5", whilst in the middle of this exercise, my girth at the compressed portion is easily 9".

(I haven't actually measured because I don't have enough hands, so I'm just eyeballing.)

Of course, this is only for a second or two, but I can really see the blood moving!

I began doing this exercise because the standard jelq and v-jelq that I do do not produce this kind of engorgement, no matter my erection level, because I'm stretching the penis lengthwise during that jelq.


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So I have this theory that the tunica is much like a chinese finger trap - that is to say it can be long or it can be girthy, but there is a limit to each and it is not generally both at the same time.

So these exercise I'm doing are based on pushing the limits of each of these (without pain or injury) in the hopes that the fibers will loosen and more capacity will be available. This is why you can be tunica limited (as I am)... well, in my theory anyway. So when you're flaccid, you can have extra length, and when you do things like this 'compression jelq' mostly flaccid, you can have extra girth, but when you're erect, you're somewhere in between in both dimensions, just like the chinese finger trap in a neutral state.

So my thinking here is to try to make that in-between go up in both directions.

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Oh, and Popol, I really like the idea of increasing my stretch time. I'm already doing 20 seconds each side, 20 out and 20 up and I'm doing that twice during my workout, but I could certainly increase that time. I like that idea, no matter what I do. Maybe I'll go for thirty right away. : )

[Big Al AdministratorPEGym EditorMale Enhancement Coach Rep.PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Big Al]

Sorry Big Al, I didn't understand this part:
"A pump would be used as an extender part of your warm down."

Could you try that one again? THANKY!

That was a spelling error- it should read "...extended part of your warm down."

[Big Al AdministratorPEGym EditorMale Enhancement Coach Rep.PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Big Al]

So I have this theory that the tunica is much like a chinese finger trap - that is to say it can be long or it can be girthy, but there is a limit to each and it is not generally both at the same time.

So these exercise I'm doing are based on pushing the limits of each of these (without pain or injury) in the hopes that the fibers will loosen and more capacity will be available. This is why you can be tunica limited (as I am)... well, in my theory anyway. So when you're flaccid, you can have extra length, and when you do things like this 'compression jelq' mostly flaccid, you can have extra girth, but when you're erect, you're somewhere in between in both dimensions, just like the chinese finger trap in a neutral state.

So my thinking here is to try to make that in-between go up in both directions.

Research has shown that men have anywhere between 1-3 layers of tunica in their penises, and it varies among men. The tunica has striated bands that can transverse the structure latitudinally or longitudinally. This can explain why some men appear to be able to expand their tunica with ease while others struggle to do so- though there might be other factors at work like EQ. This light also explain why some men are more prone to be "showers" while others are growers- though again, that can be subject to other factors too.

The following article might be of interest to you: The Tunica Albuginea’s Role in Penis Enhancement

[ibleev Member Find all posts View Profile Close ibleev]

Cool, thanks Al! I didn't realize a pump would be used in a warm down, good to know. Clearly I need to do some more research.

Thanks for the article about the tunica - that was an interesting read!

I've already begun increasing my stretch times from 20 seconds up to 30 and I've taken my jelq sets from 3 each down to 2 each. We'll see how that goes for a while!

Thank you for the feedback, everyone. Your ideas are always welcome! I sure appreciate it.

[Cavalier Retired Super Moderator Member of the Month Feb 2015PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Cavalier]

You have been given some very good advice from some very knowledgeable people. I don't consider myself an expert, but I do have a question. Where you still gaining from the JP90 routine? If so why would you want to change that? I would think that as long as you are gaining you should stick with that routine. I only changed my routine when I was no longer seeing gains. This has worked well for me and I have had substantial gains as a result.