A Third Limiting Factor to Growth? Decon Breaks Involved?

[DryJelq Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close DryJelq]

So every time I start to see gains that I think are starting to stick, they just vanish again after a week or two.

The one thing that I have never done consistantly is apply heat. I feel that this has held me back from gaining permanently rather than just temporarily. I used to think it was that I was overworking myself, but now I've been giving myself more rest and I still haven't seen anything permanent.

Last week I had a horrific EQ. It was probably a 5 or a 6. I decided to say fuck it and did a workout anyway. Midway through a pretty mild workout, I felt something uncomfortable during one of my jelqs, like some spongey tissues had torn. The feeling quickly subsided and I got a rock hard erection, 10 maybe 11 EQ. I did a couple of Uli's and Compressors after that. Light force and about 5-10 min later I had swelled to a 6" base girth and over 5.5" midshaft with at EQ of around 10. The measurements lasted for a few days and slowly went away. This week I'm right back to my old measurements and my EQ even went back down to around an 8-9.

And then I thought to myself, do I need a decon break? But then I thought back to that uncomfortable feeling I had during my workout. And I thought to myself, what if there's a third limiting factor to growth. Could I have perhaps conditioned the smooth muscle tissue and tunica, but not the spongey cavaties? It made sense to me. After I believe was a tearing of my spongey core, my dick swelled up to an enormous girth.

It is now my belief that there is a third limiting factor to penis growth, the spongey core.

Main Theory:
People who need decon breaks have damaged spongey cores. Where it seems that their smooth muscle tissue and tunica are perfectly healthy, they are infact incapable of permanent gains due to damaged spongey tissue. All temporary gains are made by ruptured spongey cores, despite having healthy smooth muscle and tunica. The reason Decon breaks work is because you are resting from your injury and your spongey tissues have enough time to heal.

[jetsetter439 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close jetsetter439]

Interesting post. So, are you recommending to never work yourself to the point where you need a serious decon break?

[DryJelq Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close DryJelq]

What I've found out of this is that you want to avoid workouts where you get large amounts of temporary girth expansion. Though the smooth muscle can handle it. The spongey tissue cannot. I don't turtle after my workouts anymore, yet I feel that my penis isn't doing 100% unless it feels like puddy in its flaccid state. And sometimes rest from PE hurts my EQ.

I feel like there are additional PIs that need to be looked at to determine the health of the vascular tissues in addition to signs from the Smooth Muscle and Tunica.

Soreness at the base of the penis usually says that the tunica is overworked. Turtling usually happens when the smooth muscle tissue is overworked. And I feel that soreness comes from damaged vascular tissues. So even when you have not turtled and your penis seems to take the workout just fine, you might not be growing.

I feel that sometimes PIs can be misleading and that there appears to be a third factor. My smooth muscle tissue is very healthy. This strange thing that happened to me, I believe shows something very odd about PE. I stopped PE for a week and lost my EQ. Returned to PE and had EQ at about 10 or 11 after the first workout for several days. After continued rest my girth gains diminished and my EQ returned to normal.

Something else is going on here. The smooth muscle tissue appears to be well conditioned, but I'm not keeping my gains in girth. I feel that the reason for this is that my EQ is not at a consistant 10 or 11. It fluctuates far too often between 8 and 10.

I do have a hypothesis on how to encourage growth or strengthening of the spongey tissues. And it's something that people already do quite a bit along with PE. Edging. Having an decent erection for 20-30 minutes straight is probably the best way to do this. If you find your EQ is down, but you still have good PIs. Take a break from all heavy girth workouts and just edge to see if the EQ comes back in a few days. When your EQ is at a 10 again, then you can go back to using advanced exercises.

When your are making gains, the various parts of your penis may not be growing together equally. Sometimes the tunica grows really fast. Sometimes the smooth muscle grows really fast. Make sure that your spongey tissue isn't getting hurt in the process.

You can't think of your dick as just a tire and an inner tube. Think of it as there being a sponge on the inside that swells up with blood. If the tire an inner tube suddenly get thicker before the sponge has had time to grow, when you force blood in there, you'll rip the spongey tissues.

[DryJelq Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close DryJelq]

Interesting post. So, are you recommending to never work yourself to the point where you need a serious decon break?

Actually I think it's very possible DECON breaks aren't necessary. You might just need to REHAB the spongey tissues rather than just taking 2-3 months off from PE.

I feel that right now I would need a DECON break. But instead I'm going to try something different. I'm going to undergo a REHAB program based on what I think is the issue with my penis and report my results. Note that I'm under the assumption that my smooth muscle tissue and tunica are is perfectly healthy, but my vascular tissues are not.

Current Rehab Plan:

1.) Rest until I notice a difference in PIs (up to 1 week), heat 1-2 times daily, no edging or masterbation.
2.) Apply heat, then edge twice daily for 1 week. Try to ejaculate only once every other day. Sex can replace 1 or multiple sessions of edging. Avoid long sessions of sex though. Once it gets tired leave it alone.
3.) When EQ returns to 10 for 3-4 days in a row, do JPs beginner routine 1 day on, 1 day off for 1-2 weeks.
4.) Slowly work back into your original routine.

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I will report my progress a couple times a week for the next month or so.

[hardcore Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close hardcore]

interesting post dryjelq

[DryJelq Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close DryJelq]

It's been a few days off from PE now and my EQ is going down as I suspected it would. This must mean that my spongey tissues are starting to heal.

When my PIs stablize for a few days I'll start edging again. This should strengthen the spongey tissues and encourage growth.

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Use a lighter grip while jelqing and while edging. Try doing a less is more routine. example:

Warm up 20 minutes.
Stretch lightly no jerking or excessive tugging. Stretch in all direction hold the stretch in a ststic phase for 40 seconds per direction. Example inthe downward position hold for 40 seconds.

50 slow ass jelqs taking at least 8 seconds with a very light grip. If it don't feel good it ain't working.

Edge for 30 minutes using light strokes no iron grip self fuck here thats for pre-pubescent boys.

Skip a day and repeat this formula.

[DryJelq Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close DryJelq]

Thanks for the advice. I'm still going to wait a few more days before I do anything though. I'm definitely going to do something less intense when I feel that I have fully recovered.

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This is a good thread. Good ideas DryJelq. I think more people need to read up on deconditioning breaks.
SOME folks only make their gains when on decons...

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This is a good thread. Good ideas DryJelq. I think more people need to read up on deconditioning breaks.
SOME folks only make their gains when on decons...

Interesting.

If this theory is true... it might be possible to train your dick in stages. 1-2 weeks of moderate training, then 1-2 weeks of light workouts and edging to cement the gains. But better to be safe obviously.

It's very possible that I could be completely off on all of this and I was just using too intense of a workout.

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Welcome to OLF/OLR DryJelq - Overloading Fatigue, Overloading Recovery.

It's a "theory" on enlargement (penned by LongVehicle and Sparkyx) that basically says the best way to attack PE is to overload your dick to the point of riding a fatigue for a few weeks. Then you follow this with a light routine and multiple rest days where you overload recovery. I think the theory mainly applies to GIRTH work through clamping but I think it has at least some weight when dealing with length work too. Length work strikes me as more of a overloading fatigue as long as you can.

[DryJelq Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close DryJelq]

When I've trained for girth, I noticed that my EQ is great for a few days after an intense workout and then it slowly declines. Basically I feel that this is due to improper training. Exercises like clamping cause massive temporary girth gains. I think that the smooth muscle is fairly durable in this regard and benefits from it. But the spongey tissues aren't as resilient.

I feel that an intense workout when your spongey tissue is the limiting factor, this will show temporary gains in girth and EQ. My hypothesis is that there are 2 successful approaches that are currently taken when the spongey tissue is the limiting factor.

1.) Never do an intense workout.

2.) Ignore the limiting factor and overtrain to grow your tunica and smooth muscle and let the spongey tissues catch up later while you take a decon break.

However when the spongey tissue is not the limiting factor, I noticed that many PEers will take a different approach. Rather than doing less, they do more via shock routines. It is my theory that the smooth muscle and tunica are the limiting factors here and thus a very intense workout will weaken these tissues, but not damage the spongey tissues, thus after the shock routine they start growing again.

It is my hope that this thread can lead a scientific explanation as to why sometimes Less is More. Though the last thing I want is to send people in the wrong direction.

[kingpole Retired ModeratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close kingpole]

Try taking a week off dry jelq. Then cement those gains with a ighter routine. i don't diasagree with this type of theory. The thing is you got to know when to stop. you got to decide when you inflickted enough fatiqgue. I would say you achive this when your EQ falls below a 8 rating. I recently gone through a high stress routine tell my Eq fell below 9. I don't let it go any lower than that.

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Yeah the plan is to take a week off and do a lighter routine for a couple of weeks.

I'm sure what I'm saying isn't new to most of the vets. They already know what works. I'm just putting out a possible explanation.

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And you're doing a good job DryJelq. A lot of what you have said here is very beneficial to people - if they take the time to read it.