Supplements experiment: For healing and promoting growth.

[CUSP82 Administrator Admin of the Month Dec 2014PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close CUSP82]

No it's not but when you hear the same thing4,832 times well one time giving a curt response means one thing only; he's human too.

[popol5169 Senior Member Member of the Month Nov 2014 Find all posts View Profile Close popol5169]

Also it may be worth noting that the guy who said he recovered from a jelqing injury thanks to these supplements mentioned in his thread how people always wanted to take pills, how they became dependent on them. Yet he could not say whether the effect was placebo or not. HEre he was taking ginger, guarana, muira puama and citrulline as he was scared to stop it and ruin the placebo effect (= get the same low EQ he had had earlier), so what did he want to do? Add daily cialis on top of that.

[corageon Banned Find all posts View Profile Close corageon]

But I'm betting you cause ol' corageon's head to swell right on up, thar!

This is exactly why some of you young guy's fail in Life; never figure out their issues - constantly complaining and then wondering why you get into bad situations. Now you could be a decent dude, have half-a-brain - but what that doesn't Cover is timing. You make all these bold moves but forget about the real world, like your other quote below...

..and what you and many others who come Rampaging onto this forum as know-it-all's - don't figure in - is that I can see right through you. Writing is transparent. Especially when your emotions get involved...

Now where the fuck is Rodney King............?

So here you are with poorly placed sarcasm, and your timing is completely etched in as if you are trying to get people to hobble over here in your defense. Humor has to be timed my friend - and just because you say something which intends to draw attention , doesn't mean it will.

Nobody respects a smart ass, Give Respect, Get Respect ; we all have to walk that walk whether you like it or not.

Years ago a friend of mine, a damn good urologist, was here in an unofficial way to help. Well he lasted a few months before he got sick of this place; tired of being called stupid or he didn't know a thing. He still wonders why I'm here; sometimes I wonder myself.

So do what you want to C; don't believe him, don't accept his wisdom, try not to listen to him at all and do your best to piss him off. And who will lose? Well all of us of course but you see we no longer need smart people educated in very particular ways;we have the internet!

Don't worry, yall aren't gonna get ridda me that easily, CUSP.

[INS Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close INS]

[QUOTE=CUSP82;1181157]What insults INS? /QUOTE]

It was a metaphorical comparison, maybe you should go back to English Lit and Adv Vocabulary, or do you not understand what that means , Either?

I mean c'mon?

Also, I do understand he's human. However, even I when responding online make the basic effort to not be rude. I may have heard things a lot of times, basic things but I still try to passionately and nicely correct them.

Heck, I literally asked you to keep on with the criticisms so I can improve or disregard this entirely if I can't come up with an adequate response to them.

THis is still experimental, as I've already mentioned. SHould I just shut up about it? Or if you don't want people to see it, move it to a forum where things aren't meant to be tried.

[CUSP82 Administrator Admin of the Month Dec 2014PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close CUSP82]

No just take it for what's it's worth, be open to other points of view, and remember who you audience is. If you find a study that says putting your finger in your ear while you jelq will give you greater results then some will do it. Hey that's not harmful but when you put things out there where human will ingest it then remember some will do just that and that can be serious. If they get sick well is it their fault? Well mostly their fault but when you have a hungry audience of guys willing to do anything to gain an inch what is brought out can be harmful.

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There's no excuse for personal insults...no-matter who they're from.

[INS Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close INS]

No just take it for what's it's worth, be open to other points of view, and remember who you audience is. If you find a study that says putting your finger in your ear while you jelq will give you greater results then some will do it. Hey that's not harmful but when you put things out there where human will ingest it then remember some will do just that and that can be serious. If they get sick well is it their fault? Well mostly their fault but when you have a hungry audience of guys willing to do anything to gain an inch what is brought out can be harmful.

Look, I understand men here are desperate and would jump at this stuff.
Which is why I'm asking if there is a better place to post this. THen a mod can move it there.

I am being open to different view points. I did even say consult your doctor and even added the disclaimer that it's not a supplement based on what you said, though a lot of sites were classifying it as a supplement.
I posted various contraindications, and the constituents of the herbs based on what you said so that people can make an informed decision.

You can clearly see that I am open to different view points.

[INS Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close INS]

As it has been put here before - they were no insults - I was merely pointing out the flaw's in your, Personal Assessment there. The whole Point here is that you Can't use Just ONE Study to justify the use/s of a particular herbal ingredient, combination product, or even pharmaceuticals for that matter, and though there are MANY SIMILARITIES between rat Nervous System tissues and human tissues; there are also a lot of differences..including how substances affect us.

Take the supplement Yohimbine for example (a popular aphrodisiac stimulant compound derived from African Yohimbe bark), the drug/supplement DISCRIMINATES between tissues and in one area of the brain Activates certain Receptors whereas others it does the OPPOSITE; in Rat's it has agonist activities at certain receptors; but in human's it only has antagonist activities at all but one of the Target's.

Now, while you main not understand all the technical mumbo-Jumbo, the Gist is that some sup's can have different effects depending on the body system studied and also , rat and human's have Parallel's in terms of structural site's in the brain but are NOT Completely identical.

Agonist and antagonist actions of yohimbine as compared to fluparoxan at alpha(2)-adrenergic receptors (AR)s, serotonin (5-HT)(1A), 5-HT(1B), 5-HT(... - PubMed - NCBI
Effects of yohimbine on the antinociceptive and place conditioning effects of opioid agonists in rodents
An imidazoline-specific mechanism for the hypotensive effect of clonidine: a study with yohimbine and idazoxan.

And I fully understand that. I do understand how animal trials when progressing over to humans go wrong and cause effects that were not foreseen or desirable, simply because they can have different effects, sensitivities, selectivity etc.

Which is exactly why I called it an experiment and looked into the harmful effects of these in humans specifically. We were meant to be the test subjects.

I clearly outlined that this isn't a "Do this, and you'd see mad gains".

It's just something I was hoping one can test in slow/plateued or injured people who've tried other things with little gain.

I do understand that different animal models are used for different organ systems as well based on how physiologically similar they are.

[INS Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close INS]

I mean did I say it would 100% work and boost your size? No I didn't. I specifically looked into whether this combination cause adverse reactions etc and posted the results.

I specifically asked if someone wanted to try and report their results after a couple of months, or if big al wanted to conduct his test with his clients.

I just want to see how PE-ers respond to these combinations.

Is that an unreasonable thing?

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Thread has been so derailed, it will be closed.

Some of the off topic, argumentative, name calling, and just plain goofy posts have been removed.

Stay on topic, no name calling, treat each other with respect.


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