Breaking Plateaus

[dmizzle Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close dmizzle]

So a few of us have been stuck after some gains. I started at 7x5bpel and coming up on a year Im 7.6-7.8 bpel depending on EQ, and 5.3meg. But most of these gains came in the first few months but were not EQ gains. My biggest problem us my dick is very sensitive. Anymore than 15min jelq or a couple hanging sessions and my EQ is shot.

My routine
9hrs ESL40
2pm - 10-15min jelqs, depends on fatigue
8pm - either 2x15min clamping or 2x20hanging at 10# or 15# over a fulcrum. But hanging seems to kill EQ. Maybe too much weight?

Im not a huge fan of manual stretches, hard to get a good grip I guess. I also incorporate O Bends when clamping or after jelqing.

So if I do the ESL40, jelqing and clamping, my EQ is great but I don't think its enough to gain. But anymore and my EQ suffers.

I know Phoenix and I started about the same, gained about the same, and plateaued about the same.

My short term goal is 7x5.5nbpel and girth. Currently 6.6x5.3nbpel. Any ideas what I should do for such a sensitive dick? Also I took a 4 day mini decon break a month ago before I started ESL40, and just took 3.5 days off. Do I need a longer break? Do I just need to accept the lower EQ and keep hanging?

Suggestions?

[dukenukem8 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close dukenukem8]

Try the double erect squeezes. I can tell they're starting to break my girth plateau. As for length, I'm not really sure, I've only gained maybe .1 inches or so.

[dmizzle Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close dmizzle]

The frustrating part is being able todo enough work without killing my EQ. I think the exercises I am doing are pretty good, just can't do enough of them.

For instance, I maybe hit 100 jelqs each hand before my dick feels dead. After almost 1 year, I should be able to handle way more then that.

This is the main reason I split my routine. If I did 100 jelqs, no way would my dick be up for clamping directly after.

Normally, my advice would be to do more work. But not at the expense of a dead dick. But maybe that's what I need to do. My current routine gives me great PI's, when I increase work, then negative PI's.

[Cavalier Retired Super Moderator Member of the Month Feb 2015PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Cavalier]

I broke my first plateau with bundled stretching. It's great for helping length and girth as it works the tunica multi directional. I can't say how it will effect you EQ wise, but it might be worth a try. As far as your trouble with holding a grip, you shouldn't have a problem, they can be very intense with even using alight grip and pulling force.

[dmizzle Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close dmizzle]

Thanks Cav, I heard you mention that a couple times. Maybe I'll substitute bundled stretches for either jelqing or clamping. Ive done them a few times.

My issue with manual stretches is I don't really feel any stretch. The only time I e ever felt any type of stretch is doing Mandingo stretches and I could feel the stretch in my inner penis. Maybe I'll add more of those as well.

Over the last year Ive been very consistent at least 4 to 5 days a week the entire time with a couple 4 day breaks in there. Just frustrated with the lack of growth recently. Also, I did order an extender so I'll see how that works.

[Phoenix7672 Senior Member Member of the Month Oct 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close Phoenix7672]

I'm still stuck as well....want to try some extending and more pumping to see if I can break it. That said, I do seem to be pumping 'longer' in the Bathmate than before, so some of the reason for no gains could be EQ related...mine has taken a big dive over the last 4-6 months do to crap in life (both work and personal).

Honestly...is 8.5"x5.5" too much to ask for before 2017? :P lol

[sidneycrosby Senior Member Member of the Month Oct 2016 Find all posts View Profile Close sidneycrosby]

You're surely familiar with your PI's. Have they all been good?
Many stories I've read where people experience EQ drops right before they record gains. Though you should not be going so hard that your EQ is being demolished.
To keep gaining you can't be stuck at the same intensity for the same time. You need to bump up one of the two. Bundled stretches as mentioned are great for loosening the tunica. I will soon be incorporating them I think. Start with about 180^o rotation and work up to 360^o rotation.
Since you've been conditioning your penis without seeing any gains for such a period of time I'd suggest a 1 - 2 week decon break before picking back up.
An alternative to the decon break would be a shocking routine. Read the post on shocking routines, I believe Big Al created it, and decide which suits you better. If you have time for the shocking routine I'd do that and then rest.

[Cavalier Retired Super Moderator Member of the Month Feb 2015PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close Cavalier]

Thanks Cav, I heard you mention that a couple times. Maybe I'll substitute bundled stretches for either jelqing or clamping. Ive done them a few times.

My issue with manual stretches is I don't really feel any stretch. The only time I e ever felt any type of stretch is doing Mandingo stretches and I could feel the stretch in my inner penis. Maybe I'll add more of those as well.

Over the last year Ive been very consistent at least 4 to 5 days a week the entire time with a couple 4 day breaks in there. Just frustrated with the lack of growth recently. Also, I did order an extender so I'll see how that works.

Trust me, if you try bundled stretches you will feel it. I know how you feel about the frustration. I made great gains over my first 1 1/2 years only to watched them dramatically drop off after that. This past year has been a struggle to try and gain even a 1/4 inch. I'm not giving up, I will find a way to get around this and gain again. That's what separates the boys from the men at this point.

An extender might be a good idea for you to try considering your EQ sensitivity to manual work. It's worth a try, just don't give up.

[Praetorian Senior Member Member of the Month Feb 2016 Find all posts View Profile Close Praetorian]

Keep at it men! Maintain your routines and see it as a process of elimination. If you see no results after 3 months, change tactics and see if some other form of manipulation can help. I've been stuck for long periods but each time that I don't gain over a quarter, its just another exciting opportunity to try something else that may provide a break through.

You've all got the guts...you will reap the glory

[dmizzle Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close dmizzle]

Im definitely dedicated, its a part of my life. The key for me is finding the balance between doing enough to gain but not too much to lose EQ. I'm fully aware that many that stretch or hang lose EQ, but gain. I guess if I knew that for sure, I would be mor willing to commit. Since I only see my girl on the weekend, I would assume I could recover. Its just only seeing your girl on the weekend makes me want to be 100% sure that I'm ready for her.

Like I said, I bundled stretches. I would also really like to hear from Big Al. Im not huge on stretching, but if it works, it works. Obviously I know this works, but everyone's dick is different. Even at the gym Im a less is more guy. I train every body part twice a week with short intense sets. Works better then a high volume routine. I can bench 340lbs, so not bad for a 38 year old. I do dips with 100lbs on a belt. I can do 15 pull ups with 30lbs around my waist. Just need to find the perfect dick routine to keep gaining.

[Praetorian Senior Member Member of the Month Feb 2016 Find all posts View Profile Close Praetorian]

I know what you mean dmizzle. You are indeed a dedicated PE'er who approaches training in an intelligent, disciplined and well-informed way. Manual stretching for me yielded little for me but I have been throwing bundled stretches in during my 10 minute rests between hanging sets. For the first time in a very long time, I can feel that tunica getting worked with really minimal pressure. Its worth a try.

Do you do much edging? It might not hurt to do some erect work by way of edging to get that EQ back up. You can't lose anything and the increased blood flow could promote some gains? At the very least, it will give you time to get centred and enjoy your wang before choosing your next approach with regard to a routine. I find erect work a big psychological boost and a reminder of what I am trying to achieve.

Find it kind of relaxing too

[7by72b Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close 7by72b]

Are you still trying the girth breakthrough exercise I posted and how is that going ?

[Praetorian Senior Member Member of the Month Feb 2016 Find all posts View Profile Close Praetorian]

I wish that I was but have no tub. As soon as I have finished marking 730 exam papers, doing the data entry involved to put the final marks in the system and not going insane, I WILL find a work around that allows me to try this. I have a few ideas...like buying a ceramic basin but just throwing it on my bed instead of having it installed and getting my wang onto that puppy...

[7by72b Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close 7by72b]

Sounds busy ! Funny thing ; I saw a clip of some girl Saturday doing her thing on the rim of a tub getting with the same motion. I couldn't help but laugh. I've never seen that before.
It was a funny coincidence. I wasn't even looking for that kind of thing.
You might could put together a mini "saw horse " type deal and add a smooth top.

[Dear Ambellina Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Dear Ambellina]

Keep at it men! Maintain your routines and see it as a process of elimination. If you see no results after 3 months, change tactics and see if some other form of manipulation can help. I've been stuck for long periods but each time that I don't gain over a quarter, its just another exciting opportunity to try something else that may provide a break through.

You've all got the guts...you will reap the glory

This is so right on the money. If I've learned anything about PE, it's that you have to stick with it period and never give up.