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WillGetBetter: couple questions

- Do you, or at the beginning did you, get soreness after RKing? If I do it for just a few mins, I get soreness in my balls. Kinda sore now if I try an RK and I did them last night before bed. I don't feel like I'm pushing too hard, but maybe? When I do them I can focus it more in the scrotum area or further up along my penis, and I eventually get sore with either, but the lower one (not a back RK near my butt) causes me lasting soreness that doesn't feel "right". It doesn't feel like a good muscle soreness (the way it does higher up), but just hurts. (I'm not sure which RK area is correct so I do both.)

- If at a random time during the day you stop and think about whether your pf is tense or not, is it? Was it before you started this? Maybe tense isn't the word but there's tension to be relieved with an RK. If I think about it I can tell, yep, those muscles are engaged and I could definitely relax them, but I'm wondering if that's normal even if you have trained/elongated it the way you have now. I assume so to an extent but do you notice a big difference?

[WillGetBetter Senior Member Member of the Month Nov 2018 Find all posts View Profile Close WillGetBetter]

WillGetBetter: couple questions

- Do you, or at the beginning did you, get soreness after RKing? If I do it for just a few mins, I get soreness in my balls. Kinda sore now if I try an RK and I did them last night before bed. I don't feel like I'm pushing too hard, but maybe? When I do them I can focus it more in the scrotum area or further up along my penis, and I eventually get sore with either, but the lower one (not a back RK near my butt) causes me lasting soreness that doesn't feel "right". It doesn't feel like a good muscle soreness (the way it does higher up), but just hurts. (I'm not sure which RK area is correct so I do both.)

- If at a random time during the day you stop and think about whether your pf is tense or not, is it? Was it before you started this? Maybe tense isn't the word but there's tension to be relieved with an RK. If I think about it I can tell, yep, those muscles are engaged and I could definitely relax them, but I'm wondering if that's normal even if you have trained/elongated it the way you have now. I assume so to an extent but do you notice a big difference?

I have had some soreness with RKs. I feel like it’s in my pelvic floor muscles. You mention the soreness is in your balls. Do you mean it’s in your actual testicles, or do you mean it’s just in the area near your balls? Are you doing any other PreE exercises? Just wondering if the pain in your balls may be from edging and not ejaculating or partially ejaculating?

I’m just going to ask this since there’s a lot of confusion about RKs. Do you feel like you are confident in the difference between kegels and reverse kegels? For me, I get way more sore when I do kegels then when I do reverse kegels.

I did have a weird feeling in the back when it was getting too loose from stretching and RKs. I ended up doing some kegels in the back to tighten things up.

At the beginning, I couldn’t tell that my pf was tight. I didn’t know what it felt like when it was loose. But, once I loosened it (mostly through stretching he pf muscles by doing various forms of Hindi squats and happy baby pose - and a few others), I realized that it was super tight all the time. Now, I can feel the difference when it is tight or loose. When it is tight, I cannot expand my pf when I try to RK. After a round of stretches it usually loosens up and I can RK again. My pf tighten up when I’ve been running or walking a lot, of I work out, or when I’ve been sitting and work all day.

Are you doing any stretches along with the RKs? The stretches really help!

[venom888 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close venom888]

Thanks for the response.

Today I feel like the pain is actually in my balls, but maybe it's in and behind. Maybe the pain is just being referred, I'm not sure. I did RKs last night and hadn't done them in 2-3 days.
I don't edge without ejaculating. Maybe I should, but I'm going to see if I can fix this without doing that. I think my IKs while using the fleshlight may be a little less intense already. Still can only do a few strokes without needing to stop, so maybe that's in my head heh.

Oh yeah, definitely not doing regular kegels. I haven't done those in quite a while (except for when I hit PONR), but I remember getting sore with those too. The soreness would be more along my penis, and feel similar to when I focus the RK higher up. Like it'll be sore literally near the tip/opening. I get a bit confused on the RKs because everyone talks about it being far lower, and I can definitely do it behind my balls and feel a ballooning feeling there, but can also do it along the shaft, and the normal kegels I do at PONR are definitely along my whole penis, not just somewhere near the base.

Unfortunately I can't do most of the stretches, like hindi squats, happy baby, etc. Reason being is I have an external hemorrhoid and any pressure in the back area there makes it swell/hurt/etc, which can take days to go away. It causes me some discomfort just on normal days (but not too much), and when it gets worse I can't do normal activities even. It's been to where I can't even walk. Only solution is surgery which I'm told is one of the worst / most painful recoveries of any surgery in existence. Doc said not to do it if I can at all live with it. I can't even do regular squats, because it makes it worse, so hindi is unfortunately out of the question for sure (tho I haven't tested the version against a wall to see if that's different). I tried a happy baby pose and immediately knew I shouldn't do that one either. It seems like those stretches have been huge for you (and others) so it sucks. I've been doing a little bit of butterfly stretch tho. I think it might help because those areas left and right of my groin get noticeably tight when I'm edging (fleshlight, standing).

I think my APT is a big part of my problem. I notice that once I have an erection my APT becomes far more pronounced, it takes a lot of effort and glute squeezing to get my hips rotated forward, and I can't breathe through my stomach anymore. My stomach juts out really far and so barely expands when I inhale, and it doesn't pull in on exhale. If I really try I can squeeze my abs inward when I exhale, but it's unrelated to my breath really. I also can't feel an RK. I'm doing exercises for my APT, but it seems like you don't have this issue? When I don't have an erection it's easy to rotate hips and pull my stomach in flat... And I can breath through my stomach no issue...

Sorry for the wall of text.

[WillGetBetter Senior Member Member of the Month Nov 2018 Find all posts View Profile Close WillGetBetter]

My general rule for soreness is if I feel some soreness the day of the exercise - no big deal. If I feel soreness the next day, then I take that day off and think about whether I over did it the day before.

I am not sure if I would be diagnosed with APT, but I cannot RK fully unless I rotate my hips forward.

[theGOAT Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close theGOAT]

Will what do you think about DO and MMO?

[WillGetBetter Senior Member Member of the Month Nov 2018 Find all posts View Profile Close WillGetBetter]

Will what do you think about DO and MMO?

Early in my PreE training, I had a few experiences with partial DO that were intriguing because of the increased stamina afterward. I was not strong enough and didn’t have the correct timing to pull it off during actual sex. So, I focused on increasing stamina by loosing the pelvic floor, breathing, and RKs. Since then, I have practiced some MMO techniques while edging, and have had some success. I tried one DO during real sex, but I think I was too early in my timing, so I didn’t feel a strong orgasm. I’m still working on it.

[Cephalus Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Cephalus]

Excellent thread. You've seen good results with your training and lasting time. It's also very important, imo, to quantify and keep a log of every sexual encounter (since starting training). That way, over time (the 6 months you were talking about in the begining) you will have a clear, statistical, view over every sex encounter and see a pattern. This will give you added insight.

Cheers

[WillGetBetter Senior Member Member of the Month Nov 2018 Find all posts View Profile Close WillGetBetter]

A quick update to catalog something that has worked for me over the past week and some thoughts on chronic pelvic floor tightness.

Pelvic floor tightness and APT are major contributors to the PreE I had. Stretching has helped loosen my pelvic floor, but certain activities (skiing, walking up the stairs, running/hiking, etc) tighten my pelvic floor up again. I'm guessing sitting for work 8 hours a day doesn't help either. So, even though the stretching helps reduce the symptom of pelvic floor tightness -- the tightness always comes back. On one level (fun exercise) that leads to muscle tightness is not going to stop. So, that means I will always need to do some maintenance stretching. But - the posture/sitting is something I plan to work on.

This last week I started using a lacrosse ball and a ~6" diameter foam roller to stretch my pelvic floor --- and it worked super well! I watched a video on youtube of a doctor showing how to manually loosen pelvic floor muscles through massage. He has a model of the pelvic area with the bones, muscles, tendons, etc. He shows which areas to apply pressure with a finger or knuckle. I did that massage on myself. It really works - but it's very tiring on the fingers and hands and it's challenging to perform on yourself. So, I put a lacrosse ball, which is very hard, on a chair and sat my weight on the ball so it would push on some specific areas shown in the video. Wow - it really worked. I then took a 6" foam roller, sat on it with it pointing out through my legs, and rocked side to side and front to back. Those two exercises made me feel more stretch in my pelvic floor than the 3 months of normal stretches (happy baby, hindi squats and variations, etc).

I will definitely keep up with the normal stretches because I think they help with all the surrounding muscles and to some extent the pelvic floor in a more mellow way. But to target the pelvic floor, the lacrosse ball and the foam roller are the way to go for me.

[iwillbeatit Member Find all posts View Profile Close iwillbeatit]

Can you please post the link to the video? i am intreseted thank you

[WillGetBetter Senior Member Member of the Month Nov 2018 Find all posts View Profile Close WillGetBetter]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWJwGvFDGLg

[iwillbeatit Member Find all posts View Profile Close iwillbeatit]

thanks

[WillGetBetter Senior Member Member of the Month Nov 2018 Find all posts View Profile Close WillGetBetter]

I'm not sure I got a lot of specific information from the video. But, I did leave with the idea that I could press around with my hand or a hard ball to target some of the muscles and other tissues. I also started feeling around down there, trying to think about the mechanism of a reverse kegel. You can feel where the bone is and where the opening is that the pressure generated by the diaphragm must push through.

[iwillbeatit Member Find all posts View Profile Close iwillbeatit]

Excatly thats what i like to learn from the video!

i know u wrote it several times but i "over"read it everytime, yesterday i give the "hip rotation" a try, it was amazing!! i edged around 25min without break (very slow) without noticeing it. It was a whole different feeling like i could better rk and i have more control. i will try this today again.
But it was tiring to hold that flat back after the session i was exhausted so since then i try to sit in the car and in the office with this posture to get a little bit used to it..
i think i have to acces my ATP a little bit more to fix this issue...

[Bobsadcock Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Bobsadcock]

Hi willgetbetter,

Have a question about your rk routine. While doing hindi squat, do you hold a long rk at moderate strength, or as hard as you can in shorter holds?

Thanks.

[WillGetBetter Senior Member Member of the Month Nov 2018 Find all posts View Profile Close WillGetBetter]

Hi willgetbetter,

Have a question about your rk routine. While doing hindi squat, do you hold a long rk at moderate strength, or as hard as you can in shorter holds?

Thanks.

Hi Bobsadcok - I usually don't mix RKs with stretching. I stretch a couple times a day and sit on some sort of ball when I have a chance (in the car or at my work chair). I do RKs throughout the day - while I'm lying in bed in the morning and evening, when I'm walking around, etc.

I have read that some people do hindi squats and RKs together. I think you should do both long and short RKs. When I have sex, I do both long and short. Sometimes I do a more moderate long one once I get near the arousal level where I want to plateau - it slows down the spike in arousal and lets me settle in. At the beginning of PIV sex or while I'm doing oral and am getting too ramped up in arousal, I do a burst of hard short RKs to make my arousal drop.

For me, I never felt a lot of pelvic floor stretch when doing a tradition hindi squat. I do a version where I lay on my back, put my feet on the wall in squat position, and then rotate my hips forward and back. I also stand up, widen my stance a bit beyond shoulder width, do a squat, and then rock back and forth over my feet from side to side. I seem to feel the stretch more for me.