Pre-E Log - Desperate for Cure

[Schmukk Member Find all posts View Profile Close Schmukk]

Hi All, i'm a long time lurker of this forum and I've had life-long Pre-E. Its time I hold myself accountable & start a log. This will be my journey. I WILL BEAT THIS.

Background
- Life-long pre-E, cum within 5 seconds of penetration
- Used to be able to masturbate without cumming and could receive oral sex without cumming. Now thats down to a couple seconds. SECONDS.
- Edging results in massive IKs after first few strokes
- Extra motivation: found out GF cheated on me and the other guy fucked her for an hour without cumming


Issues
- Flat feet leading to postural imbalances, tight pelvic floor (PC), slight APT
- Severe IKs
- Body tension & muscle tightness (upper cross syndrome from sitting too much)
- Shallow breathing
- Inability to control arousal


Game plan

- Focus on fixing the body first, then work on edging. No matter how much I edge, IKs will be there unless I get rid of muscle tightness
1. Stretching daily (will keep this simple):

• Adductor stretches
• Pec stretch
• Hindi squat 10 mins with deep belly breathing
• Happy Baby
• RK exercises (10 deep RKs X 3 sets per day) - PF always tense throughout day. Make note to relax
• Another RK exercise to lift legs while lying down and allow PF to drop.

2. Strengthening

• Face pulls (for posture)
• Core training/Abs/TVA
• Deadlifts & glute bridges for posterior chain

3. Stamina

• No more porn
• Edge with ballooning 3 times a week VERY slowly. Normal edging is too intense for now, so I'll try to get used to the sensation of plateau stimulation. I usually go from 0-100 in a few seconds, and any stimulation just makes me think "I want to cum so bad!!"
• Learn to enjoy the plateau stimulation
• Belly breathing while edging!!!
• Cum only once a week at the end of 3 sessions

Guys, please add on any suggestions to improve my game plan.

I WILL BEAT THIS.

[Junior17288 Member Find all posts View Profile Close Junior17288]

Good on you bro.

Stay motivated and cheer up king!

[Pegasus AdministratorPE Gym EditorPEGym Hero ☺ Admin of the Month Mar 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close Pegasus]

Pec stretch?

Have some reservations re ejaculation frequency .

[skyisthelimitpe Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close skyisthelimitpe]

This is a solid plan. I really like it. Way better than a lot of the quick fixes and other odd plans I see out there. What I will say is I don't think you'll see much progress stamina wise until you get your posture fixed. So don't get discouraged, because fixing your imbalances is first. Once those are fixed, you'll develop a solid mind-muscle connected and at that point is when edging/getting experience in the bedroom is worth it.

You should upload a posture picture if you have not already. Give some progress pictures along your journey as well. I rarely ever see people doing this and I know it would make a world of difference.

[Schmukk Member Find all posts View Profile Close Schmukk]

Pec stretch?

Have some reservations re ejaculation frequency .

Yes I have very tight pec muscles from benchpress, sitting, uppercross syndrome etc. This causes a lot of my rounded shoulders, forward head posture & general tightness in my upper body. Not exactly related to tight PF, but related to overall muscle tightness & muscle tension I feel.

How often do you think i should ejactulate? More frequent or less??

[Pegasus AdministratorPE Gym EditorPEGym Hero ☺ Admin of the Month Mar 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close Pegasus]

Hmm how id your r cuff?

Sigh ejaculation freequency iss an individual thing . You need to ejaculate enough that it is not causing distress . I get the forming discipline thing and the sex as pleasure not just for ejaculation . These can all come together

[Schmukk Member Find all posts View Profile Close Schmukk]

Pegasus: Rotator cuff is fine, no real shoulder issues other than minor clicking. But theres definitely a lot of internal rotation from excessive sitting & benchpress. Nowadays I don't do chest at all & focus on facepulls etc. to strengthen the posterior upper chain.

And yes, the goal was really to train my brain that I can masturbate without cumming as an end goal. Maybe i'll do it once every other day instead.


Progress update:

Had a very good edging session yesterday, edged while standing & focused on aligning my posture, letting my PF drop before ballooning.

A big realization for me which might be a game changer: I noticed that when I stand, my center of gravity shifts forward, such that my hips & knees move forward toward my toes (similar to swayback but without the PPT).

Doing so sort of places my pelvis into a sort of APT (or at least partially rotated forwards), even tho my hips are forward, which I believe puts pressure on my PF. By forcing myself to stand in alignment (hips over knees over heels), i notice my PF is much looser. In fact, even leaning against a wall and taking all tension off my body to support its weight, i felt much looser in my PF. Will continue to focus on good alignment & keeping the PF loose. Perhaps an issue is tight hamstrings at the upper part of the hamstring, literally right below my butt cheeks - any people knowledgeable in physiology able to comment?

I'm able to last pretty OK with ballooning. However, once I start stroking normally, my PF doesnt just IK, it literally just tenses like I'm stopping poop from coming out, and tends to remain in this tense state throughout. Am i correct to assume that the PF is supposed to be loose *throughout* stroking?? Seems impossible to me at this point in my journey....

[skyisthelimitpe Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close skyisthelimitpe]

Yes you are correct in your assumption. I used to feel the exact same way as you. Like I was clenching my anus to prevent poop from coming out the whole time. This being said, I think you’ve found your answer to your PreE.

figure out what is wrong by posting some posture pictures and also seeing a physio. Sounds like swayback to me

[Schmukk Member Find all posts View Profile Close Schmukk]

Took a long holiday & now i'm back. Gonna go into the full swing of things.

Update:
1. Been working out 3x a week, including runs
2. Seeing a physio to work out muscle imbalances
3. Body has been incredibly tight & I haven't been jerking off much (haven't had time to train while on holiday).
4. Going to focus more on my lower body for stretching & strengthening. I don't think people realize how much the lower body affects upperbody muscles (tightness, imbalance, tension etc. all caused due to lower body imbalances)

Other day my girl was rubbing my dick over my boxers. proper arousal & felt great, fully in control. Once she went underneath and started jerking me, arousal flew to 10 in 30 seconds & i had to stop. Time to go through all these exercises again and fix this shit.

[Schmukk Member Find all posts View Profile Close Schmukk]

Also, anyone know of a link between tight adductors, PF & tight testicles? All these are v tight on me. i used to have loose balls, now they're mostly close to my body unless its hot out

[GettingOverIt Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close GettingOverIt]

When you do kegels, do you also train the IC muscle? I'm fascinated with the IC muscle recently. Locating and learning to train it has been a miracle sort of help in defeating my Pre E issues. I had Pre E issues since I can ever remember. I know the 'other guy' going longer than you story too well and it has been my motivation through out PE initiatives.

This problem can be beaten, no doubt. These days when we have sex or foreplay I can control way better than before. I used to use weed to stop Pre E and I just feel this wasn't a solution and I don't encourage guys to use it, at all.

The tight testicles and PF is definitely related IMO. I think you are on the right track with your plan, and relaxing the PF is definitely the key. For me, training ischiocavernosus muscle has helped me to keep the other clenching muscles relaxed during sex. I kegel, and reverse kegel, and make sure I train the IC muscle to get a overall PF workout. I think Pre E sufferers have to keep all the PF balanced.

Previously, I trained the PF focused only on kegels and RK, but over time I think it got super tight, and during the day, I think I used to have a slight permanent kegel contraction in the PF muscles. These days, I try to make sure that I am not holding even the slightest kegel down there and keep making sure to relax the PF. - I noticed, whenever I am just standing I have a slight contraction that I am holding unconsciously down there, and even when walking sometimes, and whenever I tried to sit, or while sitting, or when moving to stand up. It was ridiculous how much I held tight those PF muscles. - So now I consciously make it a habit to monitor the PF all day. - It's gotten better over the past 3 weeks.

The IC muscle training helps a lot with rigidity of the erection, and so I am finding that when aroused and 'busy', the erection can hold strong and I dont have to contract/squeeze in the other PF muscles to stay hard, therefore less strain on my PF and hence can delay ejaculation. I realized that the weed probably relaxed my PF and this is why I can last long like I smoked weed.

I don't know if it will work out the same way for other guys or you.... but hopefully it does.

Would like to know your progress on all this after you have intimacy again with your gf.

[Schmukk Member Find all posts View Profile Close Schmukk]

Care to share some IC routines/how you isolate it? TBH I'm not 100% sure I know what the IC muscle is.


Progress update:

- Been doing lots of lower body stretching (adductors, hindi, pigeon etc.), but daily PF tension is bad.
- I notice working out causes a lot more muscle tension, and post workout stretches don't rly help either.
- Tried edging but I go to a 10 pretty quickly. Qn: If i go to a 10 and start to IK, should i completely stop and reset down to maybe a 5-6? Or should I keep stroking but REALLY slowly?

[Jimmy_quick Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Jimmy_quick]

When you do kegels, do you also train the IC muscle? I'm fascinated with the IC muscle recently. Locating and learning to train it has been a miracle sort of help in defeating my Pre E issues. I had Pre E issues since I can ever remember. I know the 'other guy' going longer than you story too well and it has been my motivation through out PE initiatives.

This problem can be beaten, no doubt. These days when we have sex or foreplay I can control way better than before. I used to use weed to stop Pre E and I just feel this wasn't a solution and I don't encourage guys to use it, at all.

The tight testicles and PF is definitely related IMO. I think you are on the right track with your plan, and relaxing the PF is definitely the key. For me, training ischiocavernosus muscle has helped me to keep the other clenching muscles relaxed during sex. I kegel, and reverse kegel, and make sure I train the IC muscle to get a overall PF workout. I think Pre E sufferers have to keep all the PF balanced.

Previously, I trained the PF focused only on kegels and RK, but over time I think it got super tight, and during the day, I think I used to have a slight permanent kegel contraction in the PF muscles. These days, I try to make sure that I am not holding even the slightest kegel down there and keep making sure to relax the PF. - I noticed, whenever I am just standing I have a slight contraction that I am holding unconsciously down there, and even when walking sometimes, and whenever I tried to sit, or while sitting, or when moving to stand up. It was ridiculous how much I held tight those PF muscles. - So now I consciously make it a habit to monitor the PF all day. - It's gotten better over the past 3 weeks.

The IC muscle training helps a lot with rigidity of the erection, and so I am finding that when aroused and 'busy', the erection can hold strong and I dont have to contract/squeeze in the other PF muscles to stay hard, therefore less strain on my PF and hence can delay ejaculation. I realized that the weed probably relaxed my PF and this is why I can last long like I smoked weed.

I don't know if it will work out the same way for other guys or you.... but hopefully it does.

Would like to know your progress on all this after you have intimacy again with your gf.

Hey man, you mentioned you have good results while on weed. Interestingly when I was smoking weed and making sex before I had no PreE. It was amazing. However I tried again a couple of times in the last 2 months, but now for my surprise it has just the opposite effect. I am becoming so sensitive down there that I can barely move once I penetrate. Yesterday we got high it went on it. I was so sensitive that I came after pulling back after 30 sec. Do you have an idea what can be the reason? Could it be the type of weed?

[GettingOverIt Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close GettingOverIt]

Hey man, you mentioned you have good results while on weed. Interestingly when I was smoking weed and making sex before I had no PreE. It was amazing. However I tried again a couple of times in the last 2 months, but now for my surprise it has just the opposite effect. I am becoming so sensitive down there that I can barely move once I penetrate. Yesterday we got high it went on it. I was so sensitive that I came after pulling back after 30 sec. Do you have an idea what can be the reason? Could it be the type of weed?

Perhaps a too tight PF? - I think for me the weed relieved my tight overactive pelvic muscles, and perhaps the smooth relaxed feeling of the drug. I am working on stretches for my PF now, so I don't have to resort to weed. Weed is not an option for me.

Not sure about the type of weed. For me it worked with any type, even the weakest.

[GettingOverIt Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close GettingOverIt]

Hey man, you mentioned you have good results while on weed. Interestingly when I was smoking weed and making sex before I had no PreE. It was amazing. However I tried again a couple of times in the last 2 months, but now for my surprise it has just the opposite effect. I am becoming so sensitive down there that I can barely move once I penetrate. Yesterday we got high it went on it. I was so sensitive that I came after pulling back after 30 sec. Do you have an idea what can be the reason? Could it be the type of weed?

Also, when I was smoked up, I had ZERO involuntary kegels. Not matter what was done to it, I had no sudden urges to ejac, but could do whatever and go fast slow, any position, everything went really well and I could release whenever I chose to. As soon as I was not smoked up and attempted sex, IK spasms all over the place, ejac would happen without any control. My wife noticed as well, it's really strange how that worked.

Even in foreplay, I'm freaken jumping all over the place trying to avoid too much touch and stimulation, then I reach over and light up, a few hits from the spliff and a minute or so later, she can do whatever with it, and it's smooth sailing.

I really wish I could figure this out and get fixed (no pun intended).