Three questions about pelvic floor tension and involuntary kegel, need help please!

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Hello, fighters
I have three questions about pelvic floor tension and involuntary kegel, need help please!

1) will weight training like dead-lifts and clean & jerk tension/tightening my pelvic floor or PC muscle?
The reason I had this question:
I had an edging session with a tight male masturbatory cup immediately after a weight training and I was lifting heavy and trying to push the limit. However, I felt I was totally losing control of my tightened pelvic floor and in a panic mood as well during edging. So, I'm wondering if I am doing weight training, then I probably should stick to reverse kegel/pelvic floor stretching only. Is that true?

2) Involuntary kegel or more like a twitching when hard pressing somewhere around external urethral opening/or top of the glan
I have this reaction especially when I am not erected. Is this normal male body reaction? or it means I do have involuntary kegel/ or PC muscle twitching problem, or maybe unbalanced pelvic floor problems?

3) An extra question, more like what I experienced: when I'm edging with tight masturbatory cup, i can feel my PC muscle is really tight in order to counter that tightness of the fake pussy. Is that means I should practice more reverse kegel to reduce/counter that tightness in order to be able to stroke more in a tight pussy?

Thank you! please provide me some precious advice!

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Exercises like squat and deadlift strengthen the pelvic floor . Deep positions like low squats stretch the pelvic floor and have a rk style effect.

What is a masturbatory cup ?

[Straw Bat Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Straw Bat]

Peg would you say deadlifts are a sub optimal lift for somebody with pelvic floor dysfunction? I have replaced the deadlift with the hip thrust/barbell glute bridge, which doesn't seem to have any kegel effect, but does train the glutes/hammies just as well.

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1) will weight training like dead-lifts and clean & jerk tension/tightening my pelvic floor or PC muscle?
The reason I had this question:
I had an edging session with a tight male masturbatory cup immediately after a weight training and I was lifting heavy and trying to push the limit. However, I felt I was totally losing control of my tightened pelvic floor and in a panic mood as well during edging. So, I'm wondering if I am doing weight training, then I probably should stick to reverse kegel/pelvic floor stretching only. Is that true?

In my experience yes - after 1 set at my 5 rep max, my pelvic floor will cramp up immediately. I have stopped doing them, replacing them with hip thrusts + bent over rows + heavy high rep DB rows.

Would like a second opinion though.

RE CnJ - I would suggest this is a movement best left to olympic lifters with trainers, but if you must, there is some horrific footage out there of what happens if you don't clench your pelvic floor while performing this lift.... suggesting it will have negative effects on an already tight PF.

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Exercises like squat and deadlift strengthen the pelvic floor . Deep positions like low squats stretch the pelvic floor and have a rk style effect.

What is a masturbatory cup ?

I think it's like a fleshlight?

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[QUOTE=Straw Bat;1134074]1) will weight training like dead-lifts and clean & jerk tension/tightening my pelvic floor or PC muscle?
The reason I had this question:
I had an edging session with a tight male masturbatory cup immediately after a weight training and I was lifting heavy and trying to push the limit. However, I felt I was totally losing control of my tightened pelvic floor and in a panic mood as well during edging. So, I'm wondering if I am doing weight training, then I probably should stick to reverse kegel/pelvic floor stretching only. Is that true?

In my experience yes - after 1 set at my 5 rep max, my pelvic floor will cramp up immediately. I have stopped doing them, replacing them with hip thrusts + bent over rows + heavy high rep DB rows.

Would like a second opinion though.

The deadlift is a great exercise, together with squat and bench, I wouldn't say to eliminate it completely. But I think stretching at home and doing Rk's is a must

[liuyy089 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close liuyy089]

Exercises like squat and deadlift strengthen the pelvic floor . Deep positions like low squats stretch the pelvic floor and have a rk style effect.

What is a masturbatory cup ?

If I'm right, Masturbatory cup is more like Asian type of fleshlight. It's tight and quite challenging to use when doing edging.

[liuyy089 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close liuyy089]

1) will weight training like dead-lifts and clean & jerk tension/tightening my pelvic floor or PC muscle?
The reason I had this question:
I had an edging session with a tight male masturbatory cup immediately after a weight training and I was lifting heavy and trying to push the limit. However, I felt I was totally losing control of my tightened pelvic floor and in a panic mood as well during edging. So, I'm wondering if I am doing weight training, then I probably should stick to reverse kegel/pelvic floor stretching only. Is that true?

In my experience yes - after 1 set at my 5 rep max, my pelvic floor will cramp up immediately. I have stopped doing them, replacing them with hip thrusts + bent over rows + heavy high rep DB rows.

Would like a second opinion though.

RE CnJ - I would suggest this is a movement best left to olympic lifters with trainers, but if you must, there is some horrific footage out there of what happens if you don't clench your pelvic floor while performing this lift.... suggesting it will have negative effects on an already tight PF.

after understanding your guys' comments, I think I should stop doing lower body workout and try do sprinting workout instead. Pelvic floor tension seems a big problem for me to deal with right now. It leads to Testicle Elevation immediately after erection/or some stimulation which is one of the reason causing me PE problem.
Thanks for your comment!

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[QUOTE=WildBlue;1134080]

1) will weight training like dead-lifts and clean & jerk tension/tightening my pelvic floor or PC muscle?
The reason I had this question:
I had an edging session with a tight male masturbatory cup immediately after a weight training and I was lifting heavy and trying to push the limit. However, I felt I was totally losing control of my tightened pelvic floor and in a panic mood as well during edging. So, I'm wondering if I am doing weight training, then I probably should stick to reverse kegel/pelvic floor stretching only. Is that true?

In my experience yes - after 1 set at my 5 rep max, my pelvic floor will cramp up immediately. I have stopped doing them, replacing them with hip thrusts + bent over rows + heavy high rep DB rows.

Would like a second opinion though.

The deadlift is a great exercise, together with squat and bench, I wouldn't say to eliminate it completely. But I think stretching at home and doing Rk's is a must

For now I think I should do stretching like Lunges, deep squats, and some yoga poses like butterfly more often then weight training. solve the internal (PE) problem first, then try to build more muscles.. thanks

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[QUOTE=liuyy089;1134092]

For now I think I should do stretching like Lunges, deep squats, and some yoga poses like butterfly more often then weight training. solve the internal (PE) problem first, then try to build more muscles.. thanks

Mmmhhh it is obvious that lunges and deep squat can be done weighted . What suits your particular situation is hard for me to say . Here are some thoughts on the subject.
https://www.pegym.com/forums/prematu...html?highlight=

[Straw Bat Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Straw Bat]

after understanding your guys' comments, I think I should stop doing lower body workout and try do sprinting workout instead. Pelvic floor tension seems a big problem for me to deal with right now. It leads to Testicle Elevation immediately after erection/or some stimulation which is one of the reason causing me PE problem.
Thanks for your comment!

Squats - even your 1 and 5 rep maxes have a reverse kegel effect, especially when done in a wide powerlifting stance:

https://www.t-nation.com/img/photos/...g/image003.jpg

which is the way we should all be doing it anyway, as it minimizes sheer forces on the knee.

Deadlifts seem to inherently involve tensing of the pelvic floor. The pull is my strongest lift, I am loath to not deadlift... but it's having a negative effect on my penis so it's a no brainer to drop it.

Hip thrust + bent over row substitutes the deadlift just fine. You can put up way more weight with a hip thrust.

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[QUOTE=Pegasus;1134116]

Mmmhhh it is obvious that lunges and deep squat can be done weighted . What suits your particular situation is hard for me to say . Here are some thoughts on the subject.
https://www.pegym.com/forums/prematu...html?highlight=

Dropping the deadlift will certainly lower your pelvic tension, if that will transfer to your PE is another matter.

Other exercises you might want to avoid are good mornings and kettlebell swings, seated leg abductions. It is too difficult to perform these movements without tensing the pelvic floor. It is possible, but very difficult.

Hip thrust is the best way to activate the posterior chain without clenching the PF.

Wide stance breathing/pause squats, preferably with a kettle bell (so you can line up your chest diaphram with your pelvic floor) and as upright a torso as possible have the opposite effect.

[liuyy089 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close liuyy089]

I'm currently practicing "Horse stance" with Taoist breathing technique. Such exercise can produce a lot of tension to the leg and hip. But most important part is actually to do it with proper breathing. I'm learning to utilize breathing technique to release thoes tensions from Horse stance exercise. So in the future, I expect such breathing technique will be very useful to relase the tension from overactive pelvic floor when having sex. Long story short, if taoist breathing can release tension from horse stance, then I believe same breathing technique will free up my tension from pelvic floor.
hope it will work.

at same time, I have already combine what you suggested into my weekly routine. Thanks for your advice!!!

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I'm currently practicing "Horse stance" with Taoist breathing technique. Such exercise can produce a lot of tension to the leg and hip. But most important part is actually to do it with proper breathing. I'm learning to utilize breathing technique to release thoes tensions from Horse stance exercise. So in the future, I expect such breathing technique will be very useful to relase the tension from overactive pelvic floor when having sex. Long story short, if taoist breathing can release tension from horse stance, then I believe same breathing technique will free up my tension from pelvic floor.
hope it will work.

at same time, I have already combine what you suggested into my weekly routine. Thanks for your advice!!!

Yes Taoist breathing includes reverse kegel, if you get into low horse riding stance it will increase the effect.

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I have had discussion with "Nick" who practises a soft style chinese martial art . We discussed the similarities and differences in his breathing and my thoughts on k/rk.