need some guidance

[skorpyo93 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close skorpyo93]

Hello everyone,

I`m currently struggling with pe and since I found this forum I started edging like 2-3 times a week without ejaculation (for the most part)

My observations are the following:
I can definitely edge for 20 minutes at slow to medium speed and esentially get bored and even during sex I can last at medium slow speeds, however the tendancy is to pick up the pace which is natural and then ejaculate before I want.

The thing is me and my gf are very open about the subject, however she is dissatisfied with sex and me aswell.
My goal is to fuck at high speed without ejaculating.
When I edge for instance and use imagination and/or stroke in a faster way to increase pleasure I simply cannot maintain in an go over ponr if I do not stop. Stopping in my view is worthless because changing the rithm during sex or masturbation doesn`t help with my goal. In this instance when I fuck hard the girl starts to feel very good and moan and move and slowing down then fucks it up for her and to be frank I`m not that interested in mmo or cumming without ejaculation or other mystical aspects.

To summarize the question: how do I fuck as hard as I can and last as long as I want in that state?

1)yesterday for instance I began to feel a bit tired during sex cause of heavy stroking and evetually came. I presume cardio plays a big role in this. and yeah I might have to cut off cigarettes (but not entirely).

2)tried condoms with lidocaine. they help!... oh my vice...

3)heard that low serotonin levels are correlated with pe and want to explore that aswell through supplementation workouts and meditation.

4)heard that there are some plant based supplements which can increase serotonin or tamper with that process so that you last longer.


Here`s another barrage of questions:
If I edge and don`t cum for a few days (we don`t have sex daily unfortunately cause she isn`t into it all the time and I can see why), the next time we have sex I come to quick cause i`m too aroused to control it and I avoid usually to ejaculate which is bad.
If I come more frenquently through masturbation I`m more in control to say so, but oddly enough if I solo masturbate I feel depressed and depleted after and that why I avoid it. (will power decreases, etc)


Bottom line is that it is crucial for the relationship to have her fully satisfied in this regard and also I would feel like a champ. Should this be resolved I foresee an upward spiral in my life.

To conclude with, please assist me to formulate a regimen of edging, supplements, workouts so that I can finaly fuck like a champ.

I currently take vitamins (gnc slow release) , drink ginger tea with lemon and honey for erections, workout on a semi frequent basis, unfortunately I smoke 1.5 packs a day of cigarettes and started to eat dumb shit lately. Also as I said in the beggining I edge but doesn`t seem to help much for the above mentioned reasons.
Kegels I feel are worthless since I`m not interested in manipulating the porn or cum sideways and so on. I just want to prolongue the duration of the plateau before at high speeds before I inevitably but desirably cum.

Hope it makes sense y`all and I hope you have enjoyed my plastic way of expressing things.
I`m not a douche. so thank you in advance

[incogneeetoe Moderator Member of the Month Sept 2017*Special Appreciated Moderator Nov. 2021* PEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close incogneeetoe]

Hello everyone,

I`m currently struggling with pe and since I found this forum I started edging like 2-3 times a week without ejaculation (for the most part)
...
When I edge for instance and use imagination and/or stroke in a faster way to increase pleasure I simply cannot maintain in an go over ponr if I do not stop. Stopping in my view is worthless because changing the rithm during sex or masturbation doesn`t help with my goal. In this instance when I fuck hard the girl starts to feel very good and moan and move and slowing down then fucks it up for her and to be frank I`m not that interested in mmo or cumming without ejaculation or other mystical aspects.

To summarize the question: how do I fuck as hard as I can and last as long as I want in that state?
...

Short answer: practice.

Long answer: read through the stickies, gather information about different exercise and work on it.
Nicotine will not help, nor will junk food.

[Pegasus AdministratorPE Gym EditorPEGym Hero ☺ Admin of the Month Mar 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close Pegasus]

Do the work. There is a ton of info in the pre e forum.

[skorpyo93 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close skorpyo93]

Hi thanks for the response. I was in a shitty mood at the time and felt like over reacting in my post. Now I`m more calm. I`m experimenting with reverse kegels but when edging for instance I cannot see any difference between kegels or reverse kegels. I definitely started to notice the spasms however i`m not sure if I`m reverse kegeling properly.

Yesterday did a lot of reverse kegels and after edging I felt some light pain in the taint area. Taking a day off from rk. Otherwise I`m curious if what I`m experiencing is normal and if I`m on the right path.

[Batleleur Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Batleleur]

I have a premature ejaculation problem also, i bought a STU (fleshlight Stamina Training Unit) to do start stops becouse using one's hand is not very usefull it seems (if your GF is open about the issue it would be better to practice with her).

Start stop is edging to the PONR (point of no return) and stopping until you feel that you can resume edging.
I also do 50 erect kegels with 03 refreshes 4 times a week, that is contracting your base penis muscle for 5 seconds 50 times, with just 03 refreshes to get your penis hard.

I am not very experienced with PE but this is what my coach told me to do and i quite like the routine.

Edit:
Forgot to mention that the Start Stop should last around 20 minutes.

Edit 2:
Erect kegels are just 50 times with 03 refreshes, if you alredy can do the 50 reps there are other methods (like the towel kegel, that is placing a towel or some fabric over your penis to add weight).

[Pegasus AdministratorPE Gym EditorPEGym Hero ☺ Admin of the Month Mar 2015 Find all posts View Profile Close Pegasus]

Read the rk threads in the stickies . An out of sex routine that includes a good % of rk is often a good idea for those with pre e .

[skorpyo93 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close skorpyo93]

thank you for the answers. I`ll make sure to read everything first then ask questions.

[Dudelife Member Find all posts View Profile Close Dudelife]

https://www.pegym.com/forums/penile-...-protocol.html

Here is a good read. I just read it yesterday. Staying calm and related helps. It's hard when she wants it hard. I have the same problem as you. I didn't realize that I was kegeling throughout the day and I would catch myself holding them. So I'm working on that along with involuntary kegels during stimulation. I have a hard time keeping my pelvic floor relaxed in certain positions. I found if I stand I can last much longer. I had a good session with my girl on all 4s on an ottoman that was the perfect hight.

Goodluck!

[skorpyo93 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close skorpyo93]

Hi. Thanks for the feedback Dudelife.

I`ve studied lately some the material on here and most surely tried to implement it lately to my best ability, though there are some discrepancies between how I percieve them in read form and how I apply them and apparent results. There are some issues that I have with reverse kegels and kegels in general but I will post tommorow in this thread my experience with said methods. I will approach my description not from a purely analytical or scientific method but also in a way more emotional way. Rest assured, there will be no tears on my behalf but will be an interesting read.\\
Again thank you.

[skorpyo93 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close skorpyo93]

I`m back with my revision of the things I have tried and the feedback that I have.

My concern as outlined before is still the same. I can last decently at slow speeds to medium but i`m interested to sustain rough fucking without cumming within 1-2 minutes.

1) Whats my routine like?
Edging 3 times a week allowing myself to finish once. I try to mimick and stimulate and get used to the highest possible level of stimulation. I can however edge for 20 minutes without reaching ponr if i stroke slowly and do not touch the head as much. The grip is firm. I didn`t watch porn in 6 months already and I do not crave it. I guess I was never an addict

2) I read alot about kegels on this forum and currently I`m trying the stamena app. The issue with kegels is that if I do what I believe to be reverse kegels for a few seconds I feel that muscle vibrating in an uncontrolable manner. Other aspect is that if I edge and try to either reverse or regular kegel they feel the same and it doesn`t seem to have an effect on my arousal, though maybe I`m not very atuned to the micro sensations in my body.

3) I have tried to take 5htp for 3 days but had problems with erections and my arousal levels were so bad. I threw them in the bin. I figured I`m already a happy dude and extra serotonin doesn`t help.

4) I take vitamins and plan to buy separately vitamin B and E at least for 1 week as a treatment. Heard they are good for erections and arousal

5) Since I started edging consistently my erections are very good and I`ll continue on this path.

6) I want to stay away from "extreme" workouts as I feel I am not ready for advanced stuff and it happened to me to over kegel or over rk and have erection problems. So definitely kegels are to be done separately and In slow amounts ( so the hans protocol seems fine in that regard and will try it)

7) I`m currently experimenting with a more agressive start stop regimen, meaning I aim for up to 10 start stops. And yes at the highest arousal level I definitely reach 10 ponr`s within 25 minutes. First one comes within few minutes after I get it up at the max. However if I reach ponr and pause a bit ponr will follow very shortly within just a few strokes.

Not with the questions:
In your conniseur views gradually the time I have to rest between ponrs decreases over time?
Can someone confirm that edging indeed does desensitize you so that you can tolerate high arousal and not come so quick at that stimulation level?

Other stuff:
I`ve seen on this forum some really interesting stuff but also dumb stuff.
there is something interesting that I want to ask your opinion off.
I`m not circumcised, but if I would pull the skin back and have no skin between the head and underwear would that pose any issues?
Also rubbing the head for a few minutes a day with a cloth would be recommendable? (saw it yesterdaY)

Ultimately I want to just enjoy the act and have the piece of mind that I can have even rough sex for instance cuz it`s really enjoyable for me aswell. Let`s say 10-15 minutes of hard pounding would be amazing. I`d rather get tired and pause from time to time not because i`m too aroused. It`s a different feeling and I strive to that.

My goals are to stay away from dumb stuff, and routines that would hurt. In my condition I would be inclined to exagerate and over train in certain areas or act in a reckless way.

I think that`s all for today. Again I`m a simple dude and i`m a bit worried because I can see little progression only. Or so it seems. Thank you for reading. Right now I`m neither sad nor happy. Feeling kinda neutral. Cheers