NumberSix -- Progress Log

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Hi man. I've been reading your thread from time to time. It's amazing how great progress you've made. You've found your own way and you stick with it. Truly an inspiration for many PErs!
Remember that worse days happen, but as long as you stay consistent, you give yourself a chance to experience better ones.
So. All the best and even more gains in the next year!

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Hi, I’ve just finished reading your thread up to this point, congratulations on all of your progress so far! I’ve recently laid out a new length routine and was wondering if you could provide some feedback?

it consists of:

slow cranks (6 second reps, increase by 2 reps each session)
side to side stretch (increase by 10 reps each session)
behind the cheeck stretch (20 second hold, increase by 1 rep each session)

I will be doing this twice per day but on one of the sessions I will also be doing some squeezes and ULI’s.


Thanks!

Thanks, man! It's cool that this log has been getting some attention lately but I hope everybody understands that I'm (at best) and intermediate PE-er, not an expert. With regards to length gains, my progress from roughly 6.5" to my current 8" mostly happened over a year ago and was largely haphazard.

Here's what I remember about my length exercises... first, they were all manual. I was using a pump at the time but I don't think that factored in. I was not hanging or using an extender, although I'm not trying to knock those methods at all. I basically did something not unlike what you're talking about: cranks, directional stretches, and then a ton of those exercises where you pull your dick through your legs and basically sit on it to keep it stretched (usually called fowfers, lazy-ass stretch, etc.). I was already working from home at this point and I just remember thinking that any time I could be stretching my dick a little, I'd do it.

I felt the stretch while pulling down (or down and through my legs) so I focused on that. Maybe you'll notice a particular direction that gives you that feeling of a satisfying stretch. The way I was thinking about length was that 90% of my exercises should be low-mid intensity but long in duration (e.g. fowfers or just a long, easy manual stretch if I was lying in bed unable to fall asleep). Lots of long, slow stretches any time I could fit them in. The other 10% was more intense stretching, usually followed immediately by low-intensity to prevent my dick from just turtling up. I was pretty relentless and I think that helped.

As I've noted before, I made minimal girth gains during the time that I made my greatest length gains. I'm not saying you shouldn't do girth exercises; maybe you can achieve both. Just personally, I found that my length gains came first and largely separately from girth. I'm focusing on girth now and can't seem to make any additional length gains at the moment.

I don't know if any of this helps but best of luck to you!

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Hi man. I've been reading your thread from time to time. It's amazing how great progress you've made. You've found your own way and you stick with it. Truly an inspiration for many PErs!
Remember that worse days happen, but as long as you stay consistent, you give yourself a chance to experience better ones.
So. All the best and even more gains in the next year!

Thanks! Yeah, these days come and go. The next day, my measurements were back to normal and my mood and EQ was much better. I do my PE and gym routine whether I'm feeling great or not-so-great and it always pays off.

Happy 2022. Let's make it a year of amazing gains.

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Thanks, man! It's cool that this log has been getting some attention lately but I hope everybody understands that I'm (at best) and intermediate PE-er, not an expert. With regards to length gains, my progress from roughly 6.5" to my current 8" mostly happened over a year ago and was largely haphazard.

Here's what I remember about my length exercises... first, they were all manual. I was using a pump at the time but I don't think that factored in. I was not hanging or using an extender, although I'm not trying to knock those methods at all. I basically did something not unlike what you're talking about: cranks, directional stretches, and then a ton of those exercises where you pull your dick through your legs and basically sit on it to keep it stretched (usually called fowfers, lazy-ass stretch, etc.). I was already working from home at this point and I just remember thinking that any time I could be stretching my dick a little, I'd do it.

I felt the stretch while pulling down (or down and through my legs) so I focused on that. Maybe you'll notice a particular direction that gives you that feeling of a satisfying stretch. The way I was thinking about length was that 90% of my exercises should be low-mid intensity but long in duration (e.g. fowfers or just a long, easy manual stretch if I was lying in bed unable to fall asleep). Lots of long, slow stretches any time I could fit them in. The other 10% was more intense stretching, usually followed immediately by low-intensity to prevent my dick from just turtling up. I was pretty relentless and I think that helped.

As I've noted before, I made minimal girth gains during the time that I made my greatest length gains. I'm not saying you shouldn't do girth exercises; maybe you can achieve both. Just personally, I found that my length gains came first and largely separately from girth. I'm focusing on girth now and can't seem to make any additional length gains at the moment.

I don't know if any of this helps but best of luck to you!

Thank you for such a detailed response!

that gives me confidence in my current routine to know that the exercises are somewhat similar. Also, I’m looking to purchase a good cock ring from somewhere but im struggling to find a good fit. The ones I’ve had so far are either too tight to the point of cutting off circulation or too loose. Where did you find yours?

thanks

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Honestly, finding the right cock ring is a total crap shoot. Amazon, Adam & Eve, Good Vibes... any sex store, really. I had to try a ton of them to find one or two that I could wear for hours at a time. It's kind of a pain and eventually you just have a shit ton of cock rings to choose from.

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Measurement Monday. I've been going light all holiday season both because I felt like my dick needed a rest but also because of my schedule. This last week was another light week and the last few days I was at a rental with my wife so I was only able to get in a couple short sessions per day.

BPEL: 8"
MSEG: 5.5"
BEG: 5.75"

This time I was 8+" on length but juuust holding up at 5.5"/5.75" girth. It understandable under the circumstance but still frustrating to stall out on the rapid progress I was making for a while there. On a positive note, everything down there felt rested and ready this morning so I did an extra 300-ish jelqs. I've been thinking of increasing my sets of 100 jelqs to 120 or even 150 because I think that as long as I vary my grip and don't hit the same part of the shaft with every stroke, I can handle more volume in each set.

I was having an issue a little while back where the right side of the shaft was getting sore while the left side seemed like it needed more. Since then, I've started to really pay attention to where I'm applying pressure while jelqing. I think my normal grip has been biased towards over-exercising the right side, so I'm adjusting my grip and even my posture to go harder on the left. I think this is something worth thinking about once you've been doing this for several months or years, especially if you've got a slight bend in your dick like I do. My bend goes to the left and I think that by exercising and building up more mass on the right side, I'm just increasing the bend. Hopefully by working the left side of the shaft and generally pulling my jelqs to the right, I may be able to straighten things out a little. Plus maybe there's more untapped growth potential on the left side.

In the spirit of staying humble, I'll relate another minor setback: I accidentally hit the PONR and came right at the end of my exercises this morning. I hate it when that happens because I feel like ejaculating sorta sedates me a bit, which is exactly what I don't need before going to the gym. Annoying.

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In the spirit of staying humble, I'll relate another minor setback: I accidentally hit the PONR and came right at the end of my exercises this morning. I hate it when that happens because I feel like ejaculating sorta sedates me a bit, which is exactly what I don't need before going to the gym. Annoying.

Funny. I have the same experiences. Ejaculation always makes me sleepy and deprived of energy. When it happens in the morning, the whole day could be lost. I've read somewhere that Indians believed that ejaculation is bad for men, because it deprives them of crucial energy.

Thought a bit about it and maybe it's because of hormonal changes that happens after ejac. Or body just needs the energy to recreate semen. Anyway, in my case, after such "incident" some training is the only way to get some of this energy back. And probably because of the hormonal changes that happen after physical activity, better circulation etc.

Sorry for such a long considerations in your log, but it's good to know someone feels similar.

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Yeah, this is why I'm not a big fan of morning sex unless I'm on vacation or something. It seems like I can have sex or jerk off before bed and wake up with my normal energy so I try to limit myself to that. I know Mantak Chia who co-authored The Multi-Orgasmic Man (among other things) has talked about limiting ejaculation, particularly as you get older. I can't remember his recommended frequency. I try to ejaculate no more than once every couple days and no less than once every 7-10 days. I'm in my late 30's, good health, decent shape but nothing amazing. That's what seems to work best for me.

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Quick update. I was getting a little skin irritation around the cock ring and also noticed I just wasn't waking up with morning wood, like ever. I decided to take the cock ring off for a while and today I woke up with morning wood plus my EQ feels better.

I think the lesson here is that sometimes something works for a while and then it doesn't. Don't get too attached to a particular device/exercise/approach. I'm not one of the guys who has super deep, well-researched theories on PE physiology. I just know when something seems to be working for me and I've gotten better at interpreting physiological indicators (PI's) over time.

On another note, sets of 120 jelqs (versus my usual 100) seem to work for me, so I'm trying that out.

One last thought... I hate seeing even the slightest loss of size but if I think about it, my dick feels a little healthier now than it did a few weeks ago when I was getting close to 5.625". I think I'm going to count that as progress and spend a little time focusing more on how it feels and less on the numbers.

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Morning wood, strong EQ, all PI's are positive. I take that to mean that the decision to stop using the cock ring (for now) was correct and that my increased volume (100 jelq sets -> 120 jelq sets) is okay. Still noticing that I'm on the lower end of 5.5" MSEG but that's totally fine.

If I stay at this measurement for a month or two but feel like my EQ is getting better and better, I'm good with that. If the measurement doesn't change but EQ improves, I might interpret that to mean that the corpora cavernosa may still be growing but is restrained by the tunica. And if that's happening, then I'd expect that eventually I'll be able to loosen the tunica, at which point I'd see the results of the corpora cavernosa growth as a higher measurement.

In less scientific terms, my dick just feels meatier as of late... like more dense somehow. It just feels right, so I think I'm still on track.

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I'm getting the sense that I should keep my exercises light for a few weeks and just focus on cementing that (roughly) 5.5" MSEG. The increased volume is fine, but I'm keeping the intensity low. That just means jelqing and squeezing at a slightly lower erection level and with a looser grip. Maybe shorter Bathmate sessions too. Every time I try to ramp up the intensity, I eventually start to feel a little discomfort so I'm taking the hint.

I made a huge and rapid jump from around 5" to 5.5" over the course of just a few months and it makes sense that I need to cool it, recover, cement, etc. After all, 5.5" MSEG was my original goal and here I am. There's no need to rush the process.

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Last night I read through a pretty long and mostly civil discussion of penis size on Reddit. It seemed like a fairly even mix of men and women, and the men who mentioned their own size seemed to vary from small to large.

In these conversations, I usually see people talking more about length than girth. Furthermore, people throw out all sorts of specific (though possibly inaccurate) numbers around length but girth is rarely discussed with the same specificity. It makes sense, of course. Length is easier to measure and women can see it more clearly, even if they may not be able to accurately translate what they see into an accurate measurement.

In any case, I was interested in the general consensus that the most women (at least in this case) seemed to prefer penises at least 5-6" but no more than 7-8" long. Most really did not enjoy when a penis hit their cervix with anything more than a light touch. There were a few who did like the "hurts so good" feeling of getting pounded or who enjoyed contact with the area in the back around their cervix. And yes, there was also a discussion of the details about how the cervix actually moves during arousal, menstruation, etc.

While this isn't exactly new info for me, it made me consider that I could be doing a disservice to myself and future partners by going past my 8" BPEL. Fortunately, I think an 8" BPEL translates to maybe 7.5" NBPEL for me, so I'm right in the 7-8" range. Again, girth was discussed mostly in vague terms in the few cases where it was somewhat specific, it seemed like anywhere from 5-6" girth was ideal. I know that's a huge range, so interpret that as you please.

I'm not trying to dissuade anybody who wants to go past 7-8" length, especially if you're with a long-term partner who enjoys the extra length. There are toys and positions that limit penetration if you've got a long dick too.

But for me... well, my marriage is clearly going to end in an amicable divorce over the next year or two. That's just life. We're good friends but we want/need different things. Knowing that, I have to consider that the PE I'm doing now is for me and for future partners. I have no idea what those future partners will prefer and honestly I don't want to find myself with somebody who I really like but for whom my penis size is a deal breaker (or just a drawback).

My conclusion? No more length unless I find myself in a long-term relationship with somebody who is really into that. It seems like pushing past 8" BPEL is unlikely for me anyways. I'll keep doing some stretches because they feel good and help me loosen up for the rest of my PE routine, as long as I don't grow any longer.

As for girth, I'll keep going for now but I suspect that at 5.5" MSEG, I'm right in the sweet spot already. I feel a little less of an urge to push for 6", though I think I need to do more PE to cement what I have now. Not saying I won't go for 6" but... well, anything in that upper range seems like it has the potential to become problematic with some partners. It's not going to happen overnight if it happens at all, so I guess I'll just have to think about it.

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Sorry for missing a measurement, however I have a pretty interesting observation that seems to validate that way I think about how PE works...

Yesterday was a bit crazy. My whole day was thrown off by a 3 hour (productive but intense) relationship talk with my wife. Because of this, I skipped my morning routine. My afternoon routine was shortened and didn't include the Bathmate. My night routine was normal.

In any case, I woke up in the early morning today with the strongest hard-on I've had in a while. My EQ has been okay, but I haven't had the kind of erection that almost hurts (in a good way) for a while. So, what does that indicate to me? The Bathmate stretches my tunica. By skipping it for just a day, my tunica contracted a little and the tissue in the shaft (corpora cavernosa) filled that tighter space more... tightly, resulting in a super erection.

One of the things my wife mentioned is that my penis is about as large as she's able to enjoy. It's not a problem yet, but it sounds like as long as I'm with her, I should probably cool it. So I'm planning (for now) to drop the Bathmate but continue my other exercises as long as I'm not exceeding 5.5" MSEG or thereabouts. I think this will have the effect of limiting size growth while increasing EQ. I also expect (from personal experience) that increasing my EQ will also make it easier to last longer in bed.

I'm expecting a slight loss of size from giving up the Bathmate but an increase in EQ. And if I drop below 5.5", I suspect that eventually my normal routine (minus the Bathmate) will get me back to that 5.5" mark, which will be my target size for now.

Edit: I'm keeping the 120 jelq sets but going to reduce the number of sets in my morning routine from 6 to 3. That means I'll be doing 3 sets of 120 jelqs and 60 second holds in the morning, afternoon and night. Exact same routine three times a day. No Bathmate, no extra sets in the morning.

Also, a quick, informal measurement after my morning sets suggests that I'm between 5.375" and 5.5" MSEG, which is in line with what I expected. I'll aim to reach 5.5" again without the help of the Bathmate in my routine. The Bathmate (and other pumps) will always give me an extra temporary 1/16" to 1/8" of girth. It'll be nice to have a more honest measurement. When I hit 5.5" again, I'll know it's all me, not some residual effect from pumping.

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Measurement Monday.

It's been two weeks since my last real measurement and since then I've reduce the volume a little and no longer use the Bathmate. My honest expectation is that BPEL will be roughly the same and both girth measurements will have lost about 1/8" from their highs of 5.5+" and 5.75+". I'll do the usual warm-up and one set, then take the measurement...

BPEL: 8"
MSEG: 5.5" (barely)
BEG: 5.75"

So actually not that different than normal. BPEL is unchanged, which isn't a surprise. I don't think the Bathmate or jelqing really does anything for my length. MSEG is where I expected to suffer most but really it's just down from a little over 5.5" to just barely or maybe slightly under 5.5". I really expected BEG to drop a little but it was a solid 5.75".

As noted earlier, my EQ has improved noticeably. Honestly, everything down there just feels a little healthier. I can see myself continuing with the current routine for a while. I'd like to get back to a solid 5.5+" with even better EQ. Really, the extra EQ has been great. My PE exercises are more fun, have more morning wood, etc.

Believe me, 6" MSEG still calls out to me but as noted, what I've got now seems to be in the upper range of what my wife can (or at least wants) take. We're still sorting things out between us so as long as I'm in this relationship, its seems prudent to just cement the size I currently have and work on things like EQ and stamina.

I also decided to try another few applications of the 2% hydroquinone stuff to reduce discoloration. After a couple days of applications, an outer layer of skin came off, which brought some improvement. I'll keep working on it.


EDIT: I was reading Arnold Schwarzenegger's The New Encyclopedia of Modern Bodybuilding and saw this line that I think applies to PE:

"You must learn all of the relevant techniques, and then study how each technique affects you as an individual."

In other words, study the basics, practice the basics, observe and take notes, then adjust your routine accordingly. Others can help but only you can create your optimal routine. Also, the process of observing and adjusting is continuous.

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Measurement Monday.

BPEL: 8"
MSEG: 5.375"
BEG: 5.75"

Okay, I've officially dropped from 5.5" MSEG down to 5.375". My EQ is fantastic but I'm not going to sit by while I lose ground on size. I worked pretty hard to cross that 5.5" milestone and I'm not happy losing it.

I've returned to my higher volume exercise routine as of this morning and I'll be busting out the Bathmate again. I suspect that without the Bathmate, my tunica is just tightening up too much. I plan to stretch it back out with the Bathmate and continue with high volume exercises to grow more tissue in the shaft. Not sure if I'll use the cock ring again. If I do, it'll just be while I sleep, not 24/7.

It's clear that when I give up the Bathmate, I can expect to lose some size, probably between 1/8" up to 1/4" even. I guess I'll need to overshoot my target a bit before easing off. The last few weeks were a nice break and everything down there feels rested and ready to go again.

Also, I've continued with the stuff I'm using for discoloration and it actually seems like there's some progress so I'll keep going on that. Might try a different product once this one runs out.