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So I've decided on the routine that I'll follow. I'm modeling it a bit off of my original newbie routine that I gained well with, but using more rest days. I recall having bad premature ejaculation problems on that original newbie routine I did, which I believe to be a sign of overtraining for me (just like the flagging erection).

Since I gained during the first two weeks of my recent routine, I feel that the stretching and jelqing gets the job done, the rest days are proper, but since the third week (and into fourth week) caused the flagging erection it's just a matter of me having added too much too soon. So I'll switch up from adding time to the routine from weekly to after every third week. This way I'll continue adding time slowly that I don't plateau but I'll keep my EQ high and eek out every bit of gains I can from the shortest routine possible.

New Routine:
Monday, Wednesday, Friday
10 min upward stretching, 10 min jelqing
Adding +2 min stretching, +2 min jelqing after every three weeks on routine.

Kegels: working up to "10 off - 10 sec mixed" routine twice daily.

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Measured today, still have the flagging erection, only 7 - 7 1/8" bpel. Continuing with the break from PE here. I'll measure again on Sunday to see if my EQ is back to normal. If it's not I'll continue taking days off.

Edit: A little note to self here - I'm dropping kegels for now. Going to focus on strengthening my glutes and pelvic floor through squats and deadlifts. I'll do some hip thrusts and such to focus on the glutes as well.

I think I found myself with better EQ over all when I stopped doing kegels, so they may be somewhat counterproductive for me, but I still want a strong pelvic floor.

The thinking of strengthening the glutes to help strengthen pelvic floor is here:
http://mamasweat.blogspot.com/2010/0...s-are-not.html
http://mamasweat.blogspot.com/2010/0...or-encore.html

This kind of falls in line with a general fitness idea I've been following lately. I'm planning on getting mobility workouts to follow and things of the sort to increase my overall body strength and flexibility. Strengthening the glutes and having good hip mobility is a big part of that, so crossing it into my PE practice kind of makes sense.

Of course I'm open the idea of adding kegels back into my routine in the future if that's what is best, but for now I'm going to focus on the squats and such.

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So I measured today and the flagging erection is actually the worst it's been in some time. I can max out at about 7.25" bpel, but it shrinks down to 6.75" rather quickly. Now I'm wondering if this isn't about overworking after all and might just be a minor venous leakage or something.

I was reading around a bit and noticed Big Al's posting about kegel exercises remedying venous leakage in diagnosed guys, so I'm thinking about doing a dedicated kegel routine to strengthen my pelvic floor and hopefully remedy the problem. I'm gonna start an L-Arginine/L-Citrulline supplement next month.

As for my routine, I think I'm still gonna stick with just adding time every three weeks. I'll see where gains end up and may modify it by doing 5 on 2 off, but I'll stick with the MWF routine for now.

Additional note: I'm considering tracking shaft length, that is to say not including the glans, as a secondary method to keep track of gains, since my glans can inflate and deflate oddly.

So, max measurement right now:
BPEL: 7-7.25
Shaft: 5.75"
MEG: 5 1/8"

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Okay, so I've been experimenting with kegels and found that short, very strong contractions help me maintain my erection the best, so I'm going to continue a routine of that. I don't know how many contractions I'll work up to, but I did about 100-200 today fine and had very good results from it quite quickly.

Took a measurement today, noting that the flagging erection didn't happen, I think because of the kegels:
7 3/8" bpel
6" shaft (that's up 1/4" from the previous measurement! What a difference better EQ makes)
5 1/8" meg

So I've lost some girth, gained some length during this week off. I was able to maintain the erection without it draining quickly for 10+ seconds this time around, which wasn't happening before, it would start to drain immediately during measuring.

I'll be starting up my PE routine today (Monday). Gonna do the MWF, 10 min stretch 10 min jelq, add +2min/+2min every third week routine.

I'll be doing a daily kegel routine of short, strong contractions. I'll be doing a routine of deep squats for pelvic floor balance as well.

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Two workouts down. I've been having very good EQ thanks to the strong single beat kegels I've been doing - 200 a day so far this week.

Measured today, 7 3/8" bpel x 5 1/4" meg.

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Finished third workout. Week one complete. No problems, good EQ generally.

Been battling a bit of wrist pain this week, I've been kind of lazy in my wrist stretches lately and I think that makes a big difference with the pain when I don't do them.

Been just terrible with my diet this week as well, I've been a bit down generally and think that's the reason. Gonna get back to it tomorrow though. Also haven't been exercising, gotta start that back up too.

I'll be doing 10 min stretching, 10 min jelqing next week. MWF. 200 kegels daily.

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I'm getting pretty frustrated here. My EQ crashed over the weekend and I didn't measure because of that. I felt that I had good EQ this morning, so I measured and only hit 7 1/8" bpel. Also got pretty close to the PONR quickly, which I think is another sign of overtraining.

Am I already overworking on this routine? How is that happening? Is it the stretching? Should I do a more jelq-oriented routine?

I think I'm gonna take this week off for now while I think of what to do... I'm almost considering just "rebooting" and attempting the original newbie routine that I gained off and just ignoring PIs for the most part.

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Okay, so I measured later and hit 7 3/8" bpel x 5 1/8" eg.

I straight up just need to stop measuring so often then. I don't think I'm overworking or anything, it's just that my arousal levels are naturally up and down and that effects my measurements. It could be stress, or hell even the weather (it's cold today), or diet, or exercise, whatever.

I've gotta stop focusing so much on PE and just make it a routine I do. I obsess over it a little too much and freak out over any little change in EQ that happens to me, which then makes me "re-evaluate" my routine. This is probably why I've not gained in such a long time.

What I DO want to do at some point here is start an edging routine to get better control for sex. I've got a Fleshlight I'm planning on using for that. I'm considering doing it on my "off" days from PE, for time constraints/healing reasons. We'll see though. I've gotta order up some lube for it soon.

I'm gonna do a MWF routine of stretching and jelqing, adding 2 min to both stretching and jelqing weekly.

I'm going to cycle weeks on and weeks off with increasing TUL and decreasing TUL.

I will do 5 weeks on, 1 week off.

So for the first two phases of this routine I'll do this:
Done MWF.
Week 1: 10/10 (completed - last week)
Week 2: 12/12 (this week)
Week 3: 14/14
Week 4: 16/16
Week 5: 18/18
Week 6: Off
Week 7: 14/14
Week 8: 16/16
Week 9: 18/18
Week 10: 20/20
Week 11: 22/22
Week 12: Off

And so on. If my gains stall out, which I imagine they inevitably will, I'll probably create a routine in line with the TGC theory. I'm kinda 50%/50% tunica/girth work right now, when my limiting factor is the smooth muscle at the moment, but I've been seeing gains recently following this routine so I'm just going to stick with what's working.

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I've been jumping all over the place today. Instead of creating my own routine I've decided I'm just going to do the newbie routine. I'll do *************'s routine since it's timed and I prefer that over counting reps. I'll be doing it on a 5 on 2 off schedule so my PE days don't overlap with the weekend. If I need more rest days I'll do the 2/1 routine as prescribed.

The routine starts with 5 min of 5-way stretches (2 sets), 10 min jelqing, with warm up and warm down and kegels.
I'll work up to 10 min stretching and 30 min of jelqing over 6 weeks as the routine is prescribed. This lines up pretty closely to what JP's beginners routine prescribes, though his starts with the higher amount of jelqing right off the bat.

It has been a LONG, LONG time since I've done the newbie routine. I don't think I've ever really done it except when I originally started out. I'm thinking following a prescribed and tried-and-tested routine is what I need to do to make myself actually stick to one routine for enough time to see gains.

So, here's my plan laid out:
NEWBIE ROUTINE REBOOT:
5 on 2 off schedule (weekends off)
Week 1: 5 min stretching, 10 min jelqing
Week 2: 5 min stretching, 14 min jelqing
Week 3: 7.5 min stretching, 18 min jelqing
Week 4: 7.5 min stretching, 22 min jelqing
Week 5: 7.5 min stretching, 26 min jelqing
Week 6: 10 min stretching, 30 min jelqing

Then I'll stick with that and see where I end up after a few months.

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Great session tonight.

For my stretching I'm holding the stretch for a 30 kegel count. I'll end up doing 600 kegels 5 on 2 off eventually, good way to multi-task getting my kegels in with my stretching. Doing 300 at the moment.

10 min of jelqing went well.

I'd like to make a note here that I've had a high libido/EQ after ejaculating early this morning. I think going for too long without ejaculation may actually lower my EQ, though you'd think it'd have the opposite effect. I think it almost hits a high point of libido-ness, then just drops off after that. I seem to recall researching testosterone peaking without ejaculation and then dropping sharply after too long without ejaculating, and I seem to run into that effect quite obviously myself. I'm thinking ejaculating daily or every other day will be best for keeping my EQ or libido in a good way.

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Workout two of this week down. I had to take breaks here and there because I was getting too hard. I think the kegels are making a real huge difference in my EQ level, very nice benefit of them. The isometric kegels weren't really having that effect though. Still, nice to see such a response. I can't recall the last time I had that "problem".

On another note, I started lifting today too: squats/overhead press/barbell row (rotating this with deadlift/bench press/dips). Felt good to get back into it, now I just wanna do it consistently and put on some muscle and lose fat. I'm back on my diet here after being super bad with it this past week, though I don't think I did too much damage. I'll start losing fat again here. It'll be awhile before I'm anywhere near a six pack, but that's the overall goal.

Completed 10 x 30 kegel beat 5-way stretches, 10 min of jelqing. Workout 2 of 5 of "week one" complete.

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Workout three of five this week down. EQ was kinda low in the workout because I was a bit distracted mentally, but had a fairly good session.

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Workout four of five this week complete. Good EQ in this session. 5 min 5-way kegel stretches, 10 min jelqing.

Not too sure why, but I seem to be getting some testicular soreness from jelqing. I'm a little concerned I might be bumping them with the jelqing stroke and that's causing a problem. If it doesn't go away I may consider trying clamping as the sort of "smooth muscle" element of work that I seem to need. I want to condition my unit with as much jelqing as possible though.

I had a great flaccid all day today after my third day in a row of PE, which doesn't really seem to happen so much with the MWF routine.

My unit's looking bigger erect too... I may measure this weekend to see if I've made any gains.

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Workout five of five complete. Good workout tonight.

I think I'm gonna switch my PE routine to the mornings next week... I'm staying up too late nowadays and I feel like I need to get on to a better sleeping schedule. PE kind of wakes me up too much to do it right before bed.

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Yes. I always did my routine in the morning, early. While having my coffee, watching the news, in the kitchen so I would have a source of hot water.
This energized me for the day.
Take a break and turn your routine around. Good luck.