Extender only journey

[realdeal2011 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close realdeal2011]

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[realdeal2011 Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close realdeal2011]

1066 Hours over 6 months = about 1 inch gained in BPEL from 6 3/16" to 7.13"

1066 Hours over 177 days = average of 6 hours daily usage in the extender

Thank you for the info funflyer

[funflyer Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close funflyer]

Going forward I plan to mix in bathmate for girth. 10 minutes in AM and 10 minutes in PM for now. Will slowly work that up in time for each session. When I did this before and combined it with 6 hours extending I had negative PI. So I think it will affect the amount of time extending. Averaging 6 hours a day is hard. As you can see by the log. Every off day means I have to make up those 6 hours on other days. So you can't just extend 6 hours. You have to extend more than 6 hours a day to average it out to 6 hours a day. I think with the bathmate I will probably only be averaging 4 to 5 hours. Who knows maybe now after more conditioning I can still average 6 with the bathmate. It would be nice.

I'd also point out the initial growth is just stretching the ligaments out. After that it is actual cell growth which takes longer. I jumped my first inch hurdle in 65-70 hours. After that It has taken 1000 hours for the next .8". I only really care about non bone pressed measurements for my goal. My wife doesn't press into my bone and then say damn that's a nice cock. She sees what sticks out. That's what I think matters in the end.

I should be able to do .2" in the next 250-350 hours. Which at 4 hours a day average would be 2-3 months. But again growth has slowed significantly now that the ligaments aren't stretching and it's coming from actual cell growth.

[Mespinosamb Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Mespinosamb]

Hey funflyer, I've know about PE exercises for quite some time now. I've done it before for maybe like a week or 2 on and off about a year ago, couldn't find time in my life to be consistent. I started with the basic warm up, stretching, jelqs, v-jelqs, kegels, etc.

Anyways, I just bought the X4 extender deluxe I think (not sure right now, comes with little pack of rods). I just got it and haven't had much time to perfect putting it on and adjusting it, etc. I started straight with the comfort strap haven't tried the noose yet. I've put the extender on twice so far, first time when I got it couldn't figure it out kept slipping, etc. Second time (yesterday) I sort of got it, didn't slip, but I am not sure if I am doing it correctly.

The reason I'm writing you this is because I sort of same life style (work, no time to do manual exercises, etc). I would like to start extending while working. I work in an office and I sit practically the whole day.

I started last week just messing around little kegels here and there and stretching lightly and I have progressed more and more. The main reason I am doing this is because I started getting ED and I am curved/twisted a little to the left. I'm already getting better erection and could see it hanging a bit more.

I plan on perfecting putting it on over the weekend, but would like some input from you as I see you are gaining like crazy.

These are my measurements:

BPEL = 6.8"
BPSFL = 7.15"
BPFL = 5.4"

Can't really remember the other measurements right now, but agree that NPEL is what I care about most along with Girth.

Here are a few questions I have.

1. Should I get the bathmate(or any other device) for girth/warm up?
2. If I perfect putting it on how often will I have to go to the bathroom?
3. How do I know I am wearing it correct?

I'm sure I'll think of like 500 other questions but honestly I don't want to bother you, just looking for some advise, lead me in the right direction, input will be really appreciated.

[funflyer Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close funflyer]

1) I wouldn't get it now. I had it and couldn't do both. I assume you are wanting to extend the majority of your work day. Doing both could result in negative PI or discomfort. Both would cause you to wear it less time. After you get used to the extender and can wear it comfortably throughout the day for the desired number of hours with no problem then maybe try to add it in.

2)I usually make a stop in the bathroom every 90-120 minutes. Take it off to urinate and then put it back on. Sometimes I take a longer break just to take a break but a few minutes break should be tolerable.

3) You should be able to comfortably extend for over an hour without you head going cold, numb, discolored, or pain.

Start with almost no tension at all. Get used to wearing the device for several days. Then slowly add some tension. By the end of your first month you should have worked up the tension to the first line on the X4. That's what I mean by going slow and conditioning yourself to wearing the device. Now if you find you can easily handle increasing the tension without loosing the ability to wear it for several hours a day then go ahead and do so. But if you find yourself getting any bad signs like you head going cold, numb, discolored, or pain figure out why. Do you have the strap or noose to tight? Do you have too much tension. Then adjust it. Too much tension will make the valley between the glans and the shaft or the area where the base meets your sac sore. If your head is going cold, numb, discolored or swelling like a ballon you have the strap or noose to tight and maybe too much tension. Try a little looser strapping. If that doesn't fix it try less tension.

The first few weeks you do this at work tie a string around the top of the base and attach that to your pants or boxers with a safety pin. This way if it does slip off it won't hit the floor. The string will keep it suspended in your pants.

Feel free to ask those 500 questions. That is why I shared my experience.

[Mike_O Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Mike_O]

FunFlyer - thanks for sharing so much of your experience - very helpful!

You mentioned you have the girth base and I would like to know about your experience with the girth base.

I have read a couple of advantages of the girth base are:
the scrotum can be pulled through;
the base fits over the cradle (support piece) - so the user can strap in then put the base on (sliding over the cradle) then insert rods into cradle - in other words, easier to put on, not needing 3 hands, etc.

Have you found these advantages to be true?

[Mike_O Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Mike_O]

FunFlyer

I also wanted to suggest a couple of ways I make the extender more comfortable:

What-a-grip - is a tennis racket grip cover sells at Walmart for about $3. Cut into 2" lengths and use shiny side in, rough side out as a protector for skin under either noose or strap.

Infant socks - smallest possible size with a 2" stretchy leg section. Bought at Walmart for about $3. Cut off foot and just use leg section as a cushion under strap or noose.

[funflyer Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close funflyer]

Thanks Mike_O. Girth base the scrotum can be pulled thru. Be very careful! One nut at a time. I have done it several times. Mostly in my 9+ hour days. Just be very careful getting the nuts in and out. Can't tell you how much it hurts if the two get stuck and you start to get an erection from handling your stuff too much! I'll have to check the sliding the base over the support. That seems like more work though. Just set the extender up correctly. It will be much easier.

[funflyer Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close funflyer]

Just wanted to update everyone on the status of the clinical trial refund.
After several months and several emails regarding their claim that the website when it says "It is simple, all you have to do is purchase the penis extender at its regular price, and complete the clinical data entry sheets that are included in your package. Then just send us your forms, as well as several before and after pictures, and we will give you back your money in full. Best of all, you get to keep the penis extender as our gift to you!" Isn't really the program after all.

However when I ordered the device and inquired about the program they sent me the following email "


On 4/11/2011 10:45 AM, 24-7INtouch wrote:
First Name = funflyer
Last Name = funflyer
Phone Number =
Email Address = funflyer
Additional Information = The customer had signed up to be part of the clinical trial, he has not received any information for the trial. He is requesting that you please advise him how he can obtain the information for the trial. Thank you.
Agent Initials = DEN

Date = 2011/04/11 08:45:55
Hello Sir,

Here is a printable PDF of the forms.
(please see the attachment)

All before and after pictures will require 1 erect and 1 flaccid (soft)
picture.

We need:

-2 before pictures (erect and soft) with a measuring tape next to your
penis.
-2 before pictures (erect and soft) from the front view (facing the
camera) holding the device along side your penis.
-1 before picture (soft) from the front view (facing the camera) while
wearing the device (the device has to be worn while flaccid)

-2 after pictures (erect and soft) with a measuring tape next to your
penis.
-2 after pictures (erect and soft) from the front view (facing the
camera) holding the device along side your penis.
-1 after picture (soft) from the front view (facing the camera) while
wearing the device (the device has to be worn while flaccid)

The best way to measure is to use a string from your pelvic region to
the tip of your penis, from there you can measure the string.
Same goes when measuring the girth.

Regards,
Customer Service"

At no point did they mention that the offer had been changed and that they were not going to honor a refund in full. It wasn't until after December 3rd when I sent the following email to the company that they updated their website.

"So I have attached the webpage as it was when I ordered. Are you not going to honor what is stated on your web page? Even today the link for a free extender takes you to the one I saw when I ordered and started the clinical trial. If you change your program that is fine but you should honor the program as it was explained at the begining. Not after you change the web page 7-8 months later."

Within days they updated their website to say that they would only reimburse up to $295. So I paid almost $500 for an extender that was to be reimbursed in full upon completion of the trial. I obviously did everything right as they sent me a check for $295. Which is only $225 short of what they were supposed to send me. The other issue is this check they sent is Canadian. Instead of sending it in US Funds to a US customer they sent a Canadian check in Canadian Funds. So no bank will cash it out right. Four different banks stated that they would have to hold the check for up to 6 weeks while they waited on the Canadian bank to issue the funds in US Dollars and for that check to clear. This would only cost me an additional $30 to get the money.

So all in all I am happy I made the purchase. I gained. I still have the gains today with just a little bit of time spent in an extender each week since I completed the 6 month study. However BE WARNED THAT THE FREE TRIAL IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE WITHOUT NOTICE! The promises that X4 labs make on their website and over their email system are not honored as stated!

[Mike_O Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Mike_O]

FunFlyer - thanks for the update - you have been "missing in action" for the last few weeks!

I was curious how your refund from X4 went and now I know. Imagine your feelings if you had not gained!

What X4 does not appreciate is that you are helping other guys understand how to make the extender work best - i.e. longer time at lower tension. Your pics and log are a great example of dedication required to get results from the extender - dedication most guys simply don't have.

Thanks for your many posts here - your comments have been helpful to me.

[BigO AdministratorPEGym Hero Find all posts View Profile Close BigO]

Dude, you have gained over an inch and a half of NBPEL, that is fan fukkin tastic. I am going to go through your log when I have more time. I think the manufacturere would be proud to use you as a marketing tool. Way to go, great stuff. Hoping you keep on gaining.

[Mike_O Junior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Mike_O]

A few more random thoughts:

X4 should be refunding you in the same way you paid. For example, if you paid by credit card they should be refunding to your credit card. This is smart for them since their merchant fees are also reduced for the refund.

The key points I learned from FunFlyer that apply to extender usage (ANY brand) are low tension and long duration. So, 6 hours a day every day is good with 10 hours a day even better. If tension is too high then duration goes down which defeats the whole purpose.

I am wondering if FunFlyer would care to comment: if he had it to do over again would he spend the money on X4 and time on documentation (knowing that he would not get his money back)???

I am of the opinion that the under $100 extenders are just as workable as X4 as long as low tension and long duration are followed.

X4 really should send FunFlyer his refund (100% of his costs) and sign him up as a moderator for their forums (which I have not visited). The fact that X4 did NOT refund ALL his money is enough for me to not ever do business with them.

[funflyer Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close funflyer]

I have asked X4 to moderate there forums several times. That is part of the trial. You have to have a certain number of posts there. They are filled with spam daily. It takes days before their admin removes the spam. It's completely frustrating for those that actually want to get something out of the forums. Several times I directed people here to get solid advice without the spam.

I am so excited about the gains. Would I do it over again? Yes! I would go with a lower model. I went with the 2100 gram springs which I found pointless. I did get all the rods I need however which was a plus. I did start with a SMP enlarger. I know I could have done the same gains on it. However they were uncomfortable gains and I could only last 4 hours a day. So the X4 was worth it the cost in that it allowed me to comfortably extend longer periods of time per day.

I agree that the refund should have occurred the same way payment was made. It didn't so no point arguing with them about that. My only argument was/is to honor what they put on the website. In fact I'll post their webpage showing their language so all can see it as it was. Well I can't post a pdf to this site so here is a link. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/36956444/pe%20trial.pdf Notice that it says you can order deluxe, gold, and premium packages. I ordered the premium package. They reimbursed the deluxe package.

As stated earlier. The money I'm out is worth the gains. I just think I would spend the money with another company to get the gains now that I know X4 Labs does not stand behind their promises.

Thank you to everyone for their support over the many months. I have had a really hectic life the last 40 days or so. Hopefully as it settles down I will be back on here regularly.

[bored Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close bored]

Now I really want to see how you do with the Bathmate for girth, that will really make the volume huge after length gains

[Kurt Member Find all posts View Profile Close Kurt]

FunFlyer - thanks for sharing so much of your experience - very helpful!

You mentioned you have the girth base and I would like to know about your experience with the girth base.

I have read a couple of advantages of the girth base are:
the scrotum can be pulled through;
the base fits over the cradle (support piece) - so the user can strap in then put the base on (sliding over the cradle) then insert rods into cradle - in other words, easier to put on, not needing 3 hands, etc.

Have you found these advantages to be true?

Girth base is this the type of x4 or is it a setting on the x4? Aswell can someone explain bathmate and were I can get more info on this. Cheers I'm a newbie.